Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-20 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash) 
Hi Alan,

Agreed. In the last cycle we looked to respond quickly to the comments, 
however, hit a blocker on upload of the resulting doc.

We will upload a new version with response to Joe’s comments from the 20 Feb 
this week, and start cadence of interaction with group to get the security 
section completed directly after.

On 20/03/2018, 12:05, "Alan DeKok"  wrote:


> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash)  
wrote:
> 
> Apologies for delay Alan, I have goofed with mail forwarding.
>  
> We still have some work to do on the security section. I will check to 
see which items we missed outside the security section, as I thought we had 
them all covered.

  The point is to *engage* with the working group.  Simply throwing a new 
draft "over the wall" periodically does not inspire confidence.

  On top of that, the Security Considerations still contains substantial 
amounts of my text, verbatim.  With no acknowledgement that this is the case.

  It would be good for the authors to engage with the WG to demonstrate 
that the document is ready.  The document has been shown repeatedly to be not 
ready for publication, with minimal engagement, feedback, or updates.

  Alan DeKok.



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Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-20 Thread Alan DeKok 

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash)  wrote:
> 
> Apologies for delay Alan, I have goofed with mail forwarding.
>  
> We still have some work to do on the security section. I will check to see 
> which items we missed outside the security section, as I thought we had them 
> all covered.

  The point is to *engage* with the working group.  Simply throwing a new draft 
"over the wall" periodically does not inspire confidence.

  On top of that, the Security Considerations still contains substantial 
amounts of my text, verbatim.  With no acknowledgement that this is the case.

  It would be good for the authors to engage with the WG to demonstrate that 
the document is ready.  The document has been shown repeatedly to be not ready 
for publication, with minimal engagement, feedback, or updates.

  Alan DeKok.

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Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash) 
Apologies for delay Alan, I have goofed with mail forwarding.

We still have some work to do on the security section. I will check to see 
which items we missed outside the security section, as I thought we had them 
all covered.

Clearly the last upload took rather longer than initially planned. We will 
respond by the end of this week with plan for schedule for next upload,

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From: Alan DeKok <al...@deployingradius.com<mailto:al...@deployingradius.com>>
Date: Mi., 21. Feb. 2018 um 08:27 Uhr
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt
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Cc: <opsawg@ietf.org<mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>>, 
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  A quick review shows that many of my comments have been addressed, thanks.  
This significantly clarifies the document.

  Some comments are still unaddressed.  And, the Security Considerations 
section contains substantial portions of my text as I pointed out earlier, with 
no acknowledgement that this is the case.

  Alan DeKok.

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Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash) 
Apologies for the delay, For some reason the mails did not get through until 
fellow author kindly forwarded them, disturbed by my rudeness for not having 
responded.

Thanks Joe, all very valid and will fix forthwith,

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From: Joe Clarke <jcla...@cisco.com<mailto:jcla...@cisco.com>>
Date: Di., 20. Feb. 2018 um 17:52 Uhr
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt
To: <opsawg@ietf.org<mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>>


Thank you, authors.  Would you send a synopsis of the changes to the
list as well as what you feel is left to do?  It would be good to spur
some more discussion on this.

I read through the text, focusing on the changes, and found a few typos
and nits.

Section 1:

OLD:

The normative description of Legacy features such as ARAP and
outbound authentication have

NEW:

The normative description of Legacy features such as ARAP and
outbound authentication has

===

Section 1:

s/authroization/authorization/

===

Section 3.3

You have one reference to "Single connection Mode".  Why is the 'c'
lowercase here?  For consistency, it should be uppercase.

===

Section 3.4

OLD:

For example, the client try alternative methods, if they are available,

NEW:

For example, the client tries alternative methods, if they are available,

===

Section 3.4

s/implmentation/implementation/

===

Section 3.5

OLD:

.  for example

NEW:

.  For example

===

Section 3.7

OLD:

refer to section section

NEW:

refer to section

===

Section 4.1

You refer to the Unix su(1) command in man page style notation.  This
may not be fully understood by all readers.  I think it would be better
to describe what su does in a short phrase (This is comparable to the
"su" command on Unix, which substitutes the current user's identity with
another).

===

Section 4.4.2.3

s/alays/always/

===

Sections 4.4.2.4 and 4.4.2.5

OLD:

The TACACS+ server must rejects

NEW:

The TACACS+ server must reject

===

Section 4.4.3

s/temrination/termination/

===

Section 4.4.3

You say, "oplease refer to section" (which has a typo).  But I don't
think you need the please at all here.

===

Section 5

s/clients actions/client's actions/

===

Section 5.1

s/corrsponds/corresponds/

===

Section 7.1

Stardate is canonically inconsistent

:-)

===

Section 7.2

Under nohangup, I think you have a typo with "authorization.y."  Not
sure if you intended something else there, or that "y." just crept in.

===

Section 8

s/()such as/(such as/

===

Section 8

s/starts starts/starts/

===

Section 8

s/reuthentication/reauthentication/

===

Section 8

You mention su again, but do so without man page notation.  you also
refer to unix instead of Unix.  Perhaps a good solution is to point to
one of the web=based man page gateways to create a true xref for su.

===

Section 9.1

s/For this reasons/For these reasons/

===

Section 9.2

s/which may me/which may be/

===

Section 9.5

s/apropriate/appropriate/

===

Section 9.5

s/send send secret keys/send secret keys/

Joe




On 2/19/18 10:40, internet-dra...@ietf.org<mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org> 
wrote:
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group 
> WG of the IETF.
>
> Title   : The TACACS+ Protocol
> Authors : Thorsten Dahm
>   Andrej Ota
>   Douglas C. Medway Gash
>   David Carrel
>   Lol Grant
>   Filename: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt
>   Pages   : 43
>   Date: 2018-02-19
>
> Abstract:
>TACACS+ provides Device Administration for routers, network access
>servers and other networked computing devices via one or more
>centralized servers.  This document describes the protocol that is
>used by TACACS+.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at 
> tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org>.
>
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Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-02-21 Thread Alan DeKok 
  A quick review shows that many of my comments have been addressed, thanks.  
This significantly clarifies the document.

  Some comments are still unaddressed.  And, the Security Considerations 
section contains substantial portions of my text as I pointed out earlier, with 
no acknowledgement that this is the case.

  Alan DeKok.

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Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-02-20 Thread Joe Clarke 
Thank you, authors.  Would you send a synopsis of the changes to the
list as well as what you feel is left to do?  It would be good to spur
some more discussion on this.

I read through the text, focusing on the changes, and found a few typos
and nits.

Section 1:

OLD:

The normative description of Legacy features such as ARAP and
outbound authentication have

NEW:

The normative description of Legacy features such as ARAP and
outbound authentication has

===

Section 1:

s/authroization/authorization/

===

Section 3.3

You have one reference to "Single connection Mode".  Why is the 'c'
lowercase here?  For consistency, it should be uppercase.

===

Section 3.4

OLD:

For example, the client try alternative methods, if they are available,

NEW:

For example, the client tries alternative methods, if they are available,

===

Section 3.4

s/implmentation/implementation/

===

Section 3.5

OLD:

.  for example

NEW:

.  For example

===

Section 3.7

OLD:

refer to section section

NEW:

refer to section

===

Section 4.1

You refer to the Unix su(1) command in man page style notation.  This
may not be fully understood by all readers.  I think it would be better
to describe what su does in a short phrase (This is comparable to the
"su" command on Unix, which substitutes the current user's identity with
another).

===

Section 4.4.2.3

s/alays/always/

===

Sections 4.4.2.4 and 4.4.2.5

OLD:

The TACACS+ server must rejects

NEW:

The TACACS+ server must reject

===

Section 4.4.3

s/temrination/termination/

===

Section 4.4.3

You say, "oplease refer to section" (which has a typo).  But I don't
think you need the please at all here.

===

Section 5

s/clients actions/client's actions/

===

Section 5.1

s/corrsponds/corresponds/

===

Section 7.1

Stardate is canonically inconsistent

:-)

===

Section 7.2

Under nohangup, I think you have a typo with "authorization.y."  Not
sure if you intended something else there, or that "y." just crept in.

===

Section 8

s/()such as/(such as/

===

Section 8

s/starts starts/starts/

===

Section 8

s/reuthentication/reauthentication/

===

Section 8

You mention su again, but do so without man page notation.  you also
refer to unix instead of Unix.  Perhaps a good solution is to point to
one of the web=based man page gateways to create a true xref for su.

===

Section 9.1

s/For this reasons/For these reasons/

===

Section 9.2

s/which may me/which may be/

===

Section 9.5

s/apropriate/appropriate/

===

Section 9.5

s/send send secret keys/send secret keys/

Joe




On 2/19/18 10:40, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group 
> WG of the IETF.
> 
> Title   : The TACACS+ Protocol
> Authors : Thorsten Dahm
>   Andrej Ota
>   Douglas C. Medway Gash
>   David Carrel
>   Lol Grant
>   Filename: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt
>   Pages   : 43
>   Date: 2018-02-19
> 
> Abstract:
>TACACS+ provides Device Administration for routers, network access
>servers and other networked computing devices via one or more
>centralized servers.  This document describes the protocol that is
>used by TACACS+.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs/
> 
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
> 
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
> 
> 
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
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[OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-02-19 Thread internet-drafts 

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group 
WG of the IETF.

Title   : The TACACS+ Protocol
Authors : Thorsten Dahm
  Andrej Ota
  Douglas C. Medway Gash
  David Carrel
  Lol Grant
Filename: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt
Pages   : 43
Date: 2018-02-19

Abstract:
   TACACS+ provides Device Administration for routers, network access
   servers and other networked computing devices via one or more
   centralized servers.  This document describes the protocol that is
   used by TACACS+.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
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