DBMS_OUTPUT not available at client

2002-03-29 Thread Abdul Aleem
Hi! I have installed client only on a client machine when I use DBMS_OUTPUT at SQL*Plus, it says that it should be declared first. How to make it available on the client machine? TIA! Aleem -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Abdul Aleem INET: [EMAIL

RE: EXPORT FAST?

2002-03-29 Thread Hatzistavrou Giannis
Look at http://www.oriole.com for PDQOUT. It might be what you need at a low cost. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 21:29 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Also look into the option BUFFER in export. Srini -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 26,

RE: Cost vs Rule

2002-03-29 Thread cjgait
Here's a convincing stat for your architect: There will be no RBO in a future version of Oracle. That version is not far away (conjecture is perhaps as early as 10). As often occurs, this is a case of do what we say, not what we do, since RBO is still used in the data dictionary tables.

Fine Grained Acces

2002-03-29 Thread Johnson Poovathummoottil
Hi All, Has anyone using fine grained access have had any problems such as high Latch waits or high number of SQL executions?. We have an OLTP database which uses FGA and have seen high number of SQL executions to the tune 100 users logged in and the SQL executions are 3000. Thanks in advance

RE: Creating Oracle Users from Win NT/2000 users

2002-03-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth
Hello Aleem, I don't think NT will automatically do it for you, but the Database Administration Assistant can make it a little easier by allowing you to select OS groups of users and create database accounts for them. You might also be able to write your own procedure to automate it somewhat.

RE: DBMS_OUTPUT not available at client

2002-03-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth
It sounds like there is no synonym for DBMS_OUTPUT or the user doesn't have execute rights ? Try calling it as SYS.DBMS_OUTPUT And try GRANT EXECUTE ON SYS.DBMS_OUTPUT to user; -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I

RE: Rename Oracle User

2002-03-29 Thread Todd Carlson
T Todd -Original Message- Brian Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If you haven't already done this, the find's are unneeded. How about replacing 1,3,4 with: create dba group usermod -l oracle -g dba oracle2 Since the ownership's in UNIX

Re:Names Servers synchronising

2002-03-29 Thread dgoulet
Jack, If you run 'namesctl stat' you will find a line therein that tells you when the server will recheck the region database, as in: franklin:/ora1:04:namesctl stat Oracle Names Control for HPUX: Version 8.1.6.0.0 - Production on 29-MAR-2002 09: 08:34 (c) Copyright 1998, 1999, Oracle

RE: Funniest line in the manual.

2002-03-29 Thread Orr, Steve
ORA-00031 session marked for kill Action: No action is required for the session to be killed, but further executions of the ALTER SYSTEM KILL SESSION command on this session may cause the session to be killed sooner. Hmmm... what if I hit the enter key HARDER?? ;-) -Original Message-

RE: ROLLBACK SEGMENT?

2002-03-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
I'm just joking with you... -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Does this mean we can freely copy these books now?? Of course not!! :-( Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Hey Jeremiah, I ripped them all down from the website back in 99. I believe that was the year that Oracle decided not to hand out a CD. I have all the presentations and papers burned to two CDs. Attached is the webpage that describes all the presentations (which only Jeremiah will get). If

Dynamic create and execute procedure

2002-03-29 Thread Bernard, Gilbert
I need to create a generic dynamic procedure to create and execute any procedure I wish. === -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jack van Zanen

RE: Learn from my mistakes! Or Helpful DBA hint of the day

2002-03-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
Aha! That would explain it. And while I don't have time to test it, if that is the case, then my most humble apologies to Waleed! :) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
I believe I used GoZilla. This was discussed on this list (or was it the other list?) way back when...since everyone else piped up and shared the name of the software they had used. GoZilla allows you to point to a specific URL and download all the files at that URL. Checkout www.shareware.com

Re: CLIENT VERSION

2002-03-29 Thread Stephen Andert
Jeremiah, strings $ORACLE_HOME/lib/libclntsh.so | grep "^Version"Version 8.1.7.0.0 This is not showing me what I expect. On a 8.1.7.3 database environment, SQL*Plus shows me that it is 8.1.7.0.0. Does the 8.1.7.3.0 patch not perform upgrades to SQL*Plus? Or is there a separate

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Chris, I'd like to get my hands on the OWB (Oracle Warehouse Builder) paper. Is this possible ? Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:54 AM To: Multiple

RE: Dynamic create and execute procedure

2002-03-29 Thread Baker, Barbara
Wish I knew where I stole this from. If I knew, I'd created them . . . Good luck! Barb Generic DBMS_SQL procedure: /* to execute: EXECUTE exec_ddl ('SET TRANSACTION USE ROLLBACK SEGMENT r05') */ CREATE OR REPLACE PROCEDURE exec_ddl (p_statement_txtVARCHAR2) AS -- This

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2002-03-29 Thread Gene Gurevich
Hi A developer is getting a sporadic errors when trying to access ORacle database via a Cold Fusion screen. The messages on the screen are Oracle Error Code = 0 Timeout while obtaining an Oracle statement lock. I turned tracing on in his session and found this in the trace file: update seg$

Pro-C differences VMS to Unix

2002-03-29 Thread Stephen Andert
Hey all, I know there are developers lurking out there as well as dba's that have a great deal of development experience that could help me to help our developers on this project. We have an old application that is running on a VMS machine. The Oracle version there is 8.0.5. Our

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
144 Oracle Warehouse Builder (OWB) Victoria Whitlock Oracle Corporation I don't have it. It's listed on the web page but there are no links to the files. And therefore I have no files. Sorry. Obviously, not all of the presentations were posted on the website, but most of them were.

archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Baker, Barbara
Can anyone tell me the difference between alter system archive log current and alter system switch logfile (Seems they both perform checkpoint and both switch a log file). Is one preferred over the other for purposes of switching log files prior to applying to a standby

Displaying time zone

2002-03-29 Thread Nguyen, David M
How do I display time zone in date format using SQL? Thanks, David -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nguyen, David M INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public

RE: Pro-C differences VMS to Unix

2002-03-29 Thread Toepke, Kevin M
One new thing you can do with PRO*C 8i is to use the The PREFETCH Precompiler Option if your application is processing a lot of data in a sequential manner (and you don't already do bulk fetches) Caver -Original Message-From: Stephen Andert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent:

Re: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Igor Neyman
Will alter system archive log current work, if the database is not in archive mode? Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:23 AM Can anyone tell me the difference

RE: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Actually I use alter system archive log all. I saw that if the database was behind with archiving, this would ensure that all logs were written to the arc destination. archive log current only did the most recent. Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am . Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Baby Oven

FW: Oracle Step-by-Step Guide feedback

2002-03-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Anyone else get an email like this that sounded kinda threatening? -Original Message- From: SANS Research Office [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oracle Step-by-Step Guide feedback This is a note to the 167

RE: CLIENT VERSION

2002-03-29 Thread Harvinder Singh
is there any way to check on WIN2K -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Here's a way on unix: strings $ORACLE_HOME/lib/libclntsh.so | grep ^Version [7-9] -- Jeremiah Wilton http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton On Thu, 28 Mar

Re: Displaying time zone

2002-03-29 Thread Jan Pruner
I think that datatype DATE has no info about time zone in v. 8i. If you want to show time zone you have to read it from your server env or to store it separately in other column (and insert looks like INSERT VALUES( ... ,SYSDATE,'CE', ...) for central european time zone etc.). JP On

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Aschenbrenner, Alan
Another utility like GoZilla that I know works well is WGet (available for both Unix and Windows/DOS platforms). The one I have is a command line tool, but someone may have made a gui out of it. It allows you to specify files to download (i.e. *.html, *.jsp, *.pl), files NOT to

RE: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Post, Ethan
I believe alter system archive log current will wait until archiver has successfully archived the file, thus this is the one you would want to use in any backup scripts. - Ethan -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can

Re: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Charlie Mengler
SQL alter system archive log current; alter system archive log current * ERROR at line 1: ORA-00258: manual archiving in NOARCHIVELOG mode must identify log 1* alter system archive log current to '/tmp/dummy.log' SQL / alter system archive log current to '/tmp/dummy.log' * ERROR at line 1:

32-bit vs. 64-bit on HP-UX 11.0

2002-03-29 Thread Jim Hawkins
We currently have PeopleSoft running on HP-UX 11.0 64-bit OS and Oracle 8.1.6 32-bit. We want to upgrade to Oracle 8.1.7.3 on the same OS, but the question is, do we go with 32-bit or 64-bit Oracle? Any feedback or information would be much appreciated. Jim -- _

RE: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Baker, Barbara
No, actually it does not. I just tried it on a db with archive turned off and got an error message (ORA-00258: manual archiving in NOARCHIVELOG mode must identify log). Good point. Thanks. -- From: Igor Neyman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: Displaying time zone

2002-03-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth
You can select sessiontimezone, dbtimezone from dual; I don't know how to manipulate it though. It seems like you should be able to do something like select sysdate-substr(sessiontimezone,1,3)/24 from dual; to get the GMT, but I haven't been able to get it to work... Beth

Re: Oracle Step-by-Step Guide feedback

2002-03-29 Thread Igor Neyman
guess, it depends on how much trouble we caused. Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:18 PM Anyone else get an email like this that sounded kinda threatening?

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Post, Ethan
FYI, for those of us with web sites we finance out of our measly pocketbooks, it sucks when someone does this because most hosting companies charge for traffic, I get an 8GB limit. This can seriously hurt the little guy if he is hosting large files such as my site. - Ethan -Original

Re: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Rajesh . Rao
The 'ALTER SYSTEM ARCHIVELOG CURRENT' is the preferred one that should be used for backup scripts. The reason being, if you have noticed when you do an 'ALTER SYSTEM SWITCH LOGFILE', you get the prompt back immediately. This command performs a database checkpoint, switches to the next log,

Crontab Usage

2002-03-29 Thread Jared . Still
Just thought I would pass these links along to the list. It seems that there are a number of unix newbies on the list lately asking about automating jobs via cron. Hope these prove useful. Jared Automating Tasks with Cron and Crontab files http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a55415a79856347a1

RE: Pro-C differences VMS to Unix

2002-03-29 Thread Stephen Andert
They are using the PREFETCH option with mixed results between 8.1.6/8.1.7 and 8.1.7.3. I have a TAR open for why it's not working in 8.1.7. (There is a bug) I also have another message on the list about determining the version of the client. Using the way Jeremiah suggested (strings

Re: archive log curr v. switch logfile

2002-03-29 Thread Igor Neyman
That's exactly, what I meant (besides the fact, that alter system archive log current will return only after Archiver is done archiving current log). Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

RE: 32-bit vs. 64-bit on HP-UX 11.0

2002-03-29 Thread Kimberly Smith
I think that Oracle is actually concentrating on the 64 bit now. Especially on HP. Personally I would go 64 bit. There seems to be no specific bugs that are 64 bit related (although I would do your own research on that one). Therefore, all that would happen is that you would be potentially

RE: 32-bit vs. 64-bit on HP-UX 11.0

2002-03-29 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)
IMHO if you're running 64-bit O/S you should go to the 64-bit database. You'll want to be there for 9i and upwards, so just go there now. Cheers, Mike -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We currently have PeopleSoft

Re: 32-bit vs. 64-bit on HP-UX 11.0

2002-03-29 Thread bill thater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We currently have PeopleSoft running on HP-UX 11.0 64-bit OS and Oracle 8.1.6 32-bit. We want to upgrade to Oracle 8.1.7.3 on the same OS, but the question is, do we go with 32-bit or 64-bit Oracle? Any feedback or information would be much appreciated. Jim

RE: CLIENT VERSION

2002-03-29 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Hello, The UNIX grep will fail if the libclntsh.so has 0 bytes, so just for a quickie look, it may be better to see what's there for the libclntsh, and grep that, or use a wildcard. $ strings $ORACLE_HOME/lib/libclntsh.s* | grep ^Version [7-9] Version 8.1.7.0.0 Version 8.1.7.0.0 $ Thank you,

RE: Pro-C differences VMS to Unix

2002-03-29 Thread Brian_P_MacLean
You may be comparing apples to oranges here. I have had ex-VMS people tell me that VMS is a screamer. So VMS to Unix is one issue. You are also comparing v8.0.5 to v8.1.7.3. I haven't done a time comparison/benchmark for some years but when I was a developer I notice that my Pro*C programs

Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Jared . Still
Dear list, Feel like having a good rant? Need to take some frustrations out on lies, ignorance and misinformation? I received a document from a friend that live in both the Sybase and Oracle worlds. He was interested in my comments on it as he recognized it as a rant against Oracle that was

AUTOMATIC SHUTDOWN/STARTUP SCRIPT

2002-03-29 Thread Seema Singh
Hi Can some one send me automatic shutdown and startup db script for WIN'2000? Thx -Seema _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Please see the official

Generate Data for TEST

2002-03-29 Thread Hamid Alavi
Hi List, I am looking for some scripts to generate some dummy data and insert it in alot of tables which related to each other, any site or url or scripts? Appreciate Thanks Hamid Alavi Office 818 737-0526 Cell818 402-1987 The information contained in this message and any attachments is

Re: AUTOMATIC SHUTDOWN/STARTUP SCRIPT

2002-03-29 Thread bill thater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Can some one send me automatic shutdown and startup db script for WIN'2000? Thx -Seema no. -- -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] You

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Post, Ethan
I will say I sat in a meeting with a customer recently who is a big Sybase shop and they were having huge difficulties because the generate 9 GB of redo on one database each day in a high replication environment. In their minds this was really a lot. I have also been reading up on Sybase and

How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana
Hello All, I am trying to install the statspack utility by assigning PERFSTAT user to a locally managed tablespace of size 500 MB, it is giving me the following error create table STATS$LEVEL_DESCRIPTION * ERROR at line 1: ORA-01658: unable to create INITIAL extent for segment in

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
I'm inclined to agree with the extraordinarily incompetent part, or at least in one case. On point number 38, the author states that Oracle's LDAP server (assuming Oracle Internet Directory) is to cover up the severe problem that all users in an Oracle database cannot readily share the tables of

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
Part II of ??? The author states in point 1 Oracle has no provision to store numbers in the computer's own native format, namely IEEE. I'm not sure what he means by the computer's own native format, but the last I knew, IEEE was a set of software libraries on most machines, and not a native

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
Part III of Point 23: Only one database per server Oh no! Now what do I do with our HP that has 3 or 4 Oracle instances on it!? OK, OK, I need to stop reading this and get back to work... Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Glenn Travis
I've used Sybase (along with Ingres and Informix) in a DBA role in the past and the one thing about Oracle I can say is; At least Oracle doesn't have an entire chapter in the manuals on corruption and how to detect, prevent and fix it. (see dbcc). To me, that is an admission of failure. Our

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Hello, I suggest that you read the readme file for the STATSPACK installation. If 8.1.7, it says that it needs approx. 45MB. You could create a schema, or use something like TOOLS for the default tblsp, and use TEMP for the temporary tblsp. Also, I would suggest that you read the articles on

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Aschenbrenner, Alan
Ethan, Point well taken. But, I feel this utility is meant for downloading directories where you want everything in it anyway, not just sucking everything you can off of a website. And if you narrow the scope of your download properly, it turns out to be no different than saving each

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Post, Ethan
I can only speak to Sybase 11 since that is the book I am reading but the book actually makes the suggestion to speed up backups on large databases to split your database into multiple databases because you can backup each database independently. This also appears to be how they exert more

RE: 1999 Proceedings of OpenWorld

2002-03-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Ethan, I would never use one of these utilities on your website, only on the big guys. BTW, what is your URL. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ethan, Point well taken. But, I

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Orr, Steve
It shouldn't take that much space to install. Is CCXSTL01 the correct tablespace? After you get it installed the space requirement depends on how many snapshots you take and how long you retain them. I take level 5 snaps every 15 minutes and actively purge data and rebuild indexes. I retain some

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana
Yeah I did read all the SPDOC.txt in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin. I have created a tablespace of ( a locally managed , uniform , extent size 10 MB ) of size 500 MB , but still getting the below mentioned problem, I think I have to go for auto extend rather than uniform with 10 MB each. If you have

Backups

2002-03-29 Thread Charlie Mengler
How many sites are doing cold backups? At what frequency? How many sites are doing hot backups? At what frequency? Does anybody know the existance of any Best Practices paper on the web that discuss the topic of Oracle backups? If so, what's the URL? TIA! -- Charlie Mengler

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana
seems like I need small extent size , I have given 10MB for each extent , and in your case it is just 128 K. so by reducing the extent size , should it work ? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It shouldn't take that

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Hello, I used my TOOLS tblsp., having first and next of 1MB. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L seems

RE: Oracle Step-by-Step Guide feedback

2002-03-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
List, SANS is a reputed non-profit organization dedicated to Security issues and I think Alan Paller is their director. They have done excellent work related to Computer Security and awareness over the last 6 years that I have known them. Understandably, they are senstive about dishing out

Re: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Brian_P_MacLean
I read (most of) it and it made my day. People who write this kind of stuff know they are only telling half truths (did you see any quotes or references?). It's email spam for techies. And a reply does nothing more than make their day. If some of it is true, fine. Let the Oracle kernel

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Orr, Steve
Yupp, lot's of small tables. You could even go down to 64K. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L seems like I need small extent size , I have given 10MB for each extent , and in your case it is just 128 K. so by reducing the

Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Greg Moore
What percent of developers know how to explain and trace SQL, interpret these reports and tune? In my experience it's about 10%, so most SQL tuning is done by DBA's. Is that about right? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Greg Moore INET: [EMAIL

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Post, Ethan
Perhaps he is not installing as user SYS. The PERFSTAT user is granted UNLIMITED tablespace in the install scripts on the tablespace that is selected, so either there is not enough free space or the grant is bombing because he is not SYS...or something else that I am not thinking about at the

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Brian_P_MacLean
You made me laugh. I have never worked with Sybase but have heard about this utility. Interesting to note though, we have validate structure cascade and several events to detect corruption, and also the dbms_repair package. But I don't put Oracle's detection and correction in the same

Re: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective

2002-03-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Jared, There are too many mistakes in that document to even begin to answer. However, one I do love #26 Oracle will use the redo logs to create an index. Obviously the author is working from that same INACCURATE book that says that Oracle doesn't write to the datafiles when a tablespace is

out put of a procedure

2002-03-29 Thread Hamid Alavi
HI LIST, How can I see the output of my procedure, my procedure return one output, I have tried with set serveroutput on but the procedure successfully completed with NO RETURN value??? Thanks Hamid Alavi Office 818 737-0526 Cell818 402-1987 The information contained in this message and

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
Greg, The reason may be driven by the requirement of 'develop-within-this-deadline' for Developers, and 'get-this-query-to-respond-within-1-sec' for DBAs. The DBA's responsibility (among others) is to run a well tuned system, the Developers' responsbility is to develop a working product, and the

RE: How much space is required for STATSPACK

2002-03-29 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana
Yep , Ethan , you are mistaken , Seems my problem is with very big extents , I will try with small extents , let all you guys know. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Perhaps he is not installing as user SYS. The PERFSTAT

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth
In my shop, 0 out of 3. Which wouldn't be so bad, but they also show 0 interest in learning... and every time a new job goes into production and takes 10 hours to run, its a database problem... ok, i'll stop ranting now... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:38 PM To:

Re: out put of a procedure

2002-03-29 Thread DBarbour
Do you have a DBMS_OUTPUT line in your procedure? David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 Hamid Alavi

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Kimberly Smith
In my previous shop they all wanted to learn. Once I sent them all a document on SQL tuning and one of the developers would just not leave me alone. I did such and such and now its this much faster. I got that for every SQL statement he did. The novelty eventually wore off and he stopped

Re: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Greg Moore
Kim, What document did you send them? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:03 PM In my previous shop they all wanted to learn. Once I sent them all a document on SQL tuning and one of the developers would

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Larry Elkins
Greg, You *do* see DBA's doing the bulk of the SQL tuning work in many shops. But it's not necessarily because the developers, or at least some them, can't, or, that many of them don't care (and *many* of them never do give it a thought). I've seen places where the developers begged for the

RE: Oracle From a Sybase DBA perspective| What is a Database to S

2002-03-29 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
Well, that certainly was interesting!! No database will always compare favorably to others for every feature. There are some tings SYBASE does better than Oracle. However, he is either ignorant of such things as the no logging directive, or refuses to consider them because they are not

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Larry Elkins
Oh yes, it's *always* a DB problem. Why don't you fix your database, it's your problem and your fault ;-) I think most can understand your rant. Regards, Larry G. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.954.1781 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of

RE: Do programmers tune SQL?

2002-03-29 Thread Kimberly Smith
Its an internal document that some developed. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kim, What document did you send them? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,