: Jerry Hess [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:00 PM
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Ross: It is better for everyone to THINK you are a fool than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt !
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Thanks, Scott.
For those of you out there who haven't got the word yet, I posted
my stoopid crack BEFORE knowing anything of what had truly happened.
Please factor that in if you are still angry at me. And let's
focus on what is important herenot a poorly timed joke from
a poorly
I knew you just made a mistake Ross. I think emotions were probably just
running high.
Hope all is well
KK
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Thanks, Scott.
For those of you out there who haven't got the word yet,
a$$holes in the Compaq world.
brgrds,
ep
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Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company
Why is it that flames rarely have the letters OT in the subject line...
Patrice Boivin
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From: Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although it has been a while).
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Sent: Friday
So, as you devote the extra minutes to your job, does this mean COMPAQ
customer
service will get better or worse?
EG
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After thinking about this whole thing further, I realize I've made
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root@fatcity
Not funny, Ross.
--Walt Weaver
Bozeman, Montana
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Now for my encore, I'll crash into the World Trade Center.
EG
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K-
I apparently made the mistake of thinking that the US constitution
says that there is a right to FREE SPEECH in this friggin country.
I'm reporting what
many a$$holes in the Compaq world.
brgrds,
ep
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From: Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My
OK, folks, let's stop this thread now.
It's well gone beyond the bounds of good taste,
and has turned into a cesspool of vitriol.
Let's confine discussion to Oracle topics. If you
want to go off topic, please take it offline.
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Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although it has been a while).
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Well, I can't speak for all of Compaq. But my part (supporting GE Aircraft
Engines) is now and will continue to be receiving great service from Compaq.
Jon Walthour
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So, as you
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News..
root@fatcity.
com
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respond to
ORACLE
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:40:26 -0800
Belive me, Walt, I know.
I sent this when I thought we had an antenna scrape, not a building hit.
I am as sickened and distraught by this as anyone out there...and probably
more than most...
..i visited the 110th floor when it was still
cc:
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Interesting News..
root@fatcity.
com
09/11/2001
09:35 AM
Please
respond
Guys/Gals,
Lighten up on Ross. We've all said something that seemed clever at the
time, but came across as entirely inappropriate.
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
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Guys/Gals,
Lighten up on Ross. We've all said something that seemed clever at the
time, but came across as entirely inappropriate.
Scott Shafer
No.
I'm more interested in what happens to the customer.
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From: Walthour, Jon (GEAE, Compaq) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:50:52 -0400
Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Eric:
While I can
, Jon (GEAE, Compaq) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:50:52 -0400
Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Eric:
While I can appreciate that your opinion of the Compaq Services division
might be less than positive, would you please, for the sake of those who
actually work
-0700
Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although it has been a while).
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Eric:
While I
, September 10, 2001 3:17 PM
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K-
I apparently made the mistake of thinking that the US constitution
says that there is a right to FREE SPEECH in this friggin country.
I'm reporting what a reseller
Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although it has been a while).
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Eric:
While I can
Besides, some of us read this list just for the drama... wink!
-rje
E ...Anyone feel free to call me an idiot (HELP), that I'm wrong, or
E whatever, but absent the technical merits of a pro-Compaq position
E having been presented in detail, all I hear is someone acting like a
E pissy little
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.
brgrds,
ep
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Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
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Oohhh storm clouds are on the horizon:)
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Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although
a bonehead for a message, I could have retired last year!
Guess Eric I are both in the STBU club! Eric, welcome aboard! :-)
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many a$$holes in the Compaq world.
brgrds,
ep
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Subject: RE: Interesting News..
Jon, you need to get some thick skin
Jon,
Believe it or not, some people *DO* know they are getting screwed
even if the person doing it is being superficially polite.
regards,
ep
On 10 Sep 2001, at 19:19, Walthour, Jon (GEAE, Compaq) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Date sent: Mon,
After thinking about this whole thing further, I realize I've made a
terrible mistake. I've stooped to his level rather than stay mature about
the whole thing and let it go. It won't happen again. To all of you who've
had to receive these messages, I'm sorry. I'm done with this thread.
Jon
Eric:
While I can appreciate that your opinion of the Compaq Services division
might be less than positive, would you please, for the sake of those who
actually work for these companies, be a little less dramatic in your
expression of that opinion.
Jon Walthour
Oracle Database Administrator
Isn't that a little unfair? It hardly seems possible
that an entire organization could be full of induhviduals.
More likely, some bad experiences have colored
your judgment.
Please bear in mind that there are several Compaq
employees on this list as well.
Jared
On Thursday 06 September
I can't say anything either positive or negative about Compaq as I've had no
experience with their support organization. On the other hand I did watch DEC
support go from great to abysmal in just 5 years. HP on the other hand has been
the 'cats meow' for the last 10 years that I've had
Jon, you need to get some thick skin. My company is destroyed quite often
in this list (although it has been a while).
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:50 AM
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Eric:
While I can appreciate that your opinion of the Compaq
According to our hardware resalescritter: especially for anything
below large enterprise level, both HP and Compaq services suck.
so, I guess the objective is to create a new company who services
suck even more than either individually?
Synergy!!!
Guy Hammond wrote:
On the
And then Computer Associates can buy the new company and it will suck X 3.
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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
According to our hardware resalescritter: especially for anything
below large enterprise level, both HP and
H...
Compaq service does suck at all levels. However, I have to defend HP
service. We aren't a huge company (800 employees), but we do have Gold
Service with HP for our little 6-way K570. And I have to say that it's been
outstanding. I've never seen another service company stay onsite
On the contrary, I'd say this is a godsend for Sun. Compaq made a mess
of truly epic proportions when they tried to integrate DEC and Tandem
into their operations. HP did just as badly with Apollo. There are going
to be bitter turf wars between the HP/UX and Tru64 (or Ultrix or
whatever it's
I agree. First of all there is no certainty that the marriage will ever
be consummed (there has been a lot of corporate engagement break-ups in
the past years. Remember GE/Honeywell, Jack Welch's apotheosis? German
and French banks? Pharmacy?). There's too much overlap between the two
(all those
More agreement. How many companies did ATT buy only to drive them into the
ground? How much advantage did Compaq take of the impressive Alpha
technology? These mega mergers rarely produce anything much.
Unless the HP strategy is to run Compaq's product line into the ground so
more people turn
Interesting to say the least.
We have a meeting with our Compaq reps tomorrow to discuss the Alpha
processor move to Intel. I'll put money down that a discussion of the
HP/Compaq merger will eclipse Alpha/Intel. If anything worthwhile comes up,
I'll let you all know.
Mike Hand
Polaroid Corp.
In fact today's Wall Street Journal quotes HP's CEO as saying
the Compaq name will go away. I guess running it into the ground would
take too much time so she is just going to abandon the Compaq name. They
did say they plan to keep some of the "valuable sub-brands" like Presario.
We
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More agreement. How many companies did ATT buy only to drive them into
the ground? How much advantage did Compaq take of the impressive Alpha
technology? These mega mergers rarely produce anything much.
Unless the HP strategy is to run Compaq's product
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Thought this would interest you guys..
http://www.theitportal.com/ITPFrameSetBottom.asp?Path=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emac
world%2Eco%2Euk%2Fnews%2Fmain%5Fnews%2Ecfm%3FNewsID%3D3442Domain=www.macwor
ld.co.ukAdArea=TEST
Regards
Mark
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Mark Leith
You bet your arse its interesting considering we are 100% Compaq Tru64
Sent ructions across the UNIX S.As here this morning I can tell you.
I did HP-UX admin training a year or so ago... now where did I put my course
manuals ??
Lee
-Original Message-
Sent: 04 September 2001 15:02
HP Acquiring Compaq?
Yow!
That's big news!
Anyone see this coming? I would have never guessed.
Jared
On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:02, Mark Leith wrote:
Thought this would interest you guys..
http://www.theitportal.com/ITPFrameSetBottom.asp?Path=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ema
c
I think there were a few hints, but the biggest thing with this merger is
now HP has 87 billion in income, compared to IBM's 90 billion. Ibm is
gaining market share and becoming a giant, now they have a decent size
competitor.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes,
Jared:
It's the buzz of the office this morning. No one here seems to have seen it
coming.
Jon Walthour
Oracle Database Administrator
COMPAQ DBA Team
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
HP Acquiring
Many years ago, when I was a system manager on an HP-3000 system, Compac was
using the HP3000 database. This relationship goes back a long way.
Ruth
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HP
I certainly didn't!! Is this going to be like a merge? What I mean is, is
there still going to be Compaq machines and HP machines? Or will it be like
Hewlett Compaqerd? Just wondering?
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:33 PM
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Jon,
You got your resume ready?? I hope all goes well for you and your
co-workers.
Dave
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:07 PM
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Jared:
It's the buzz of the office this morning. No one here seems to have seen it
coming.
HP is the top one, from what I understand from what I have heard, they are
going to rebrand the compaq hardware.
Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.
Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone:
I'm curious. What happens to Tru64 or HP-UX? One of
them's got to go, would'nt you think? How about their
Unix servers? I know they're both going to 64-bit
Itanium eventually, but can they support both product
lines? Wonder how VAX/VMS is going to fare? How does
this effect Sun? I'd say
I'd say this deal represents the final nail in the coffin of what was once
DEC. HP-UX will supersede Tru64, VMS (Alpha VMS; it hasn't been VAX/VMS for
a long time) will slowly fade away (it will take longer than the phase-out
of Tru64 because there is a large installed base and it's a completely
Now every part in the alphas is going to have three ID numbers: one
Digital, one Compaq, and one HP number.
: )
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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My 2-cent's worth...
I was (and still am) a big fan of the VMS operating system. I used it
on a VAXcluster where we hosted our Oracle v5, v6 and early v7 development
environments. (clusters! what a concept!) I'm just not sure how long it
will take to get used to HP-VMS.
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That's HP-OpenVMS to you, buddy!!! ;-)
I miss VMS. Ah, the days.
Jon
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