Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
And I think it's important to realise that ratios are useless as a starting point in the tuning process on any system, not only Oracle. Most OS'es and databases use not instrumented correctly to deal with response time measurements (makes you wonder: If response TIME is what matters, how can

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-29 Thread Connor McDonald
Yep. Simple example: Even though it seems to be sometimes a little on the 'random' side, the ELAPSED_TIME column on V$SQL in v9 is an absolute god send... Cheers Connor --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I think it's important to realise that ratios are useless as a starting

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
I think Dave Ensor, at the recent UKOUG conference, called it his portable tuning kit: select elapsed_time, cpu_time from v$sql order by elapsed_time; Mogens Connor McDonald wrote: Yep. Simple example: Even though it seems to be sometimes a little on the 'random' side, the ELAPSED_TIME

RE: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Niall Litchfield
Hi Yong I agree that It's not the ratio that needs condemning, it's the advice about... What I disagree is the wrong educational tool people on public forums have recently used again and again to show the inadequacy of the BCHR tuning method. The thing is most people who have used this

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Ryan
#1. what is the difference in the 4 BCHR's in 9i? #2. How do you determine whether your buffer cache is sized properly? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:34 AM Hi Yong I agree that It's not the ratio

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Tanel Poder
#1. what is the difference in the 4 BCHR's in 9i? What do you mean by that? Are you refferring to different buffer pool stats here? #2. How do you determine whether your buffer cache is sized properly? Your application meets it's defined operational response time and throughput constraints.

RE: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Niall Litchfield
#2. How do you determine whether your buffer cache is sized properly? Your application meets it's defined operational response time and throughput constraints. Actually that is an interesting answer, since it doesn't answer the question asked 'How do I know if my buffer cache is sized

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Ryan
Performance 'problems' are dependent on what the marketing department gets in the SLA. So if your marketing guys negotiate very strict response time requirements and you dont meet them, then you have a performance problem. How do I know if my buffer cache is having any effect on that? -

RE: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Niall Litchfield
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Sent: 27 December 2003 21:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio) Performance 'problems' are dependent on what

Re: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-27 Thread Tanel Poder
#2. How do you determine whether your buffer cache is sized properly? Your application meets it's defined operational response time and throughput constraints. Actually that is an interesting answer, since it doesn't answer the question asked 'How do I know if my buffer cache is

RE: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-24 Thread Cary Millsap
Yong, The point I want to make is that the buffer cache hit ratio actually *is* useful, in the following way. If its value is greater than about 99%, then I can practically guarantee that there is some high-LIO SQL inside the application whose repair will greatly improve system performance.

RE: Correct way to accuse BCHR tuning method (Was: Hit ratio)

2003-12-24 Thread Anjo Kolk
BCHR tuning is useless as a starting point in the tuning process. Anjo. -Original Message- Yong Huang Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [This message is not technical, but educational. Readers interested in technical info only may want