That is my opinion ..
Jr. learns the methods.
Mid. knows the methods and predicts the results of some.
Sr. had used all of them and knows the results.
Guru seems to know the database internal code.
Bunyamin Karadeniz
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The Jr knows the passwords and where to find the databases. (Data)
The Mid knows the answers to the exam questions. (Information)
The Sr knows how the systems integrate and where to find things out.
(Knowledge)
The Guru knows the engine internals but also knows to test for 'features'.
(Wisdom)
Hello Itiu
You wrote: Most people use it :
We have a saying: zillions flies can not be wrong, eat shit.
BTW - We use NT servers.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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What's wrong
...and what makes you think that we all don't? Do you know anything about
how wine and beer are made?
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Hello Itiu
You wrote: Most people use it :
We have a saying:
but many (and especially older hands) Oracle DBAs consider M$ systems to
be for wimps,
just good for running Access and possibly SQL Server.
Yea... and I'm sure that there are those older hands that would prefer the
days of the
card punching return :-)) Old habits and ways are hard to
ltiu wrote:
What's wrong with M$FT. Most people use it : The majority cannot be wrong.
What's wrong with you guys. If it works, then use it. If you can make it
work, then use it. If you can pretend that it works, then use it too.
ltiu
Hmmm, Oracle and Microsoft are not fully
What's wrong with M$, please, the ever crashing OS, need anything else
be said?
And Stephane hit it perfectly. As far as I remember(feel free to
brutalize me if wrong), that M$, even back in the DOS days, was never a
development platform for Oracle and I used V5 on 386 under DOS.
Let the
Stephane Faroult wrote:
...Historically, Oracle was a port to
Digital (remember this brand?)
Interesting. I'm reading this list because of a recent
project to retire the Digital-Alpha workstations.
The main reason that these machines must be de-commissioned is
because Oracle stopped
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What's wrong with M$, please, the ever crashing OS, need anything
else
be said?
That's fixed on NT3.1/NT4/W2K/XP. Promise.
Cross-my-heart-hope-to-die. This time I
mean it. For sure. Honest.
yawn
Cheers
Nuno Souto
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Don't forget the Restart for Every Update Even if it is a security patch for
IE.
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On Saturday 01 June 2002 17:43, ltiu wrote:
What's wrong with M$FT. Most people use it : The majority cannot be
wrong. What's wrong with you guys. If it works, then use it. If you can
The majority cannot be wrong? Since when?
History offers many examples of the majority being wrong, on many
I beg to differ.
All Real DBA's should be platform independent.
(and if that platform comes from M$FT, they should probably be undergoing
intense therapy).
-- James
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Better run like WIND!! All Real DBA's use HP.
Dick Goulet
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What's wrong with M$FT. Most people use it : The majority cannot be wrong.
What's wrong with you guys. If it works, then use it. If you can make it
work, then use it. If you can pretend that it works, then use it too.
ltiu
On Saturday 01 June 2002 14:53, you wrote:
I beg to differ.
All
Junior DBA's job is a learning.
Mid DBA's job is a science.
Sr. DBA's job is the Art.
Srs feel database, users, developers and everything else.
They feel what, where, how, when and why should by done.
Their intuition is of high degree.
... and everybody is sure - the Sr DBA knows everything. (so
Title: RE: Jr.DBA, Mid level DBA, Sr.DBA
We
Since I live in Israel I do not know the salaries
ranges.
Senior DBA lives in Spain
Junior DAB lives in England
Midlevel DAB lived 200 years ago in Europe.
Yechiel AdarMehish
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From:
Richard Huntley
I agree, the Jr. DBA must focus on learning.
Mid DBA...is still learning. Many Mid still view tuning/troubleshooting as
an art (with a little magic thrown in)
Sr. DBA...is still learning. Realizes that database management is a science,
requiring research, expirementation and a very healthy dose
Attends sessions at IOUG
Junior - Assumes that all speakers know exactly what they are talking
about and all vendor tools work as advertised.
Mid - Listens to and believes Tim, Cary, Craig, Rich, Rachel, Gaja and
all other High Holy Oracle Gurus preach
Senior - Listens to, questions and tests
The jr thinks that she knows.
The mid knows that she knows.
The sr knows that she knows not.
Awareness of ignorance is the mark of true knowledge.
I like cake.
jack silvey
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I agree, the Jr. DBA must focus on learning.
Mid DBA...is still learning. Many
A few thoughts...
Jr. DBA: Asks the Mid or Sr. DBA where to look.
Mid DBA: Kind of knows where the answer is, but takes a bit to find it.
Sr. DBA: Answer is dog eared in one or more of his office full of books.
Really Sr. DBA: Answer is dog eared in his own book or paper.
Jr. DBA: Feels a lot
AIX? Come on all really senior DBAs work on SUN
(ducking and running broken field pattern :) )
--- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few thoughts...
Jr. DBA: Asks the Mid or Sr. DBA where to look.
Mid DBA: Kind of knows where the answer is, but takes a bit to find
it.
Sr.
(ducking and running broken field pattern :) )
Opens black looking suitcase with secret Nuclear launch codes,
chanting the mantra, there is always a solution.
Enjoying that new job?
RF
Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
Oracle DBA Technical Lead
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author:
it's fun so far. and one of these days I'll get to do DBA work too..
right now I'm trying to Teach yourself Data warehousing in 2 weeks
--- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(ducking and running broken field pattern :) )
Opens black looking suitcase with secret Nuclear launch
REAL DBAs have 28 Etch-A-Sketches configured as RAC with Big Chief Tablets
as their hot standby
Daniel W. Fink
Sr. Oracle DBA
MICROMEDEX
303.486.6456
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AIX? Come on all really senior DBAs
You guys are rookies. The Gods all use Linux.
--Walt
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Better run like WIND!! All Real DBA's use HP.
Dick Goulet
Reply Separator
Author: Rachel
you win :)
--- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
REAL DBAs have 28 Etch-A-Sketches configured as RAC with Big Chief
Tablets
as their hot standby
Daniel W. Fink
Sr. Oracle DBA
MICROMEDEX
303.486.6456
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So that's why the Gods died out...
Hehehe...
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:39 PM
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Subject: RE: RE: Jr.DBA, Mid level DBA, Sr.DBA
Salary !
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:08 PM
Hello:
Out of curiosity how would you classify a Jr. DBA, a Mid Level DBA, and a
Sr. DBA? I know how our HR department makes the
I would rather make the definition be about Experience and abilities other
than Salary (Although Management does not exactly understand that ) .
Look at it this way
Just because someone is getting paid the most, does not mean they know the
most. Also, just because someone has been around
Title: RE: Jr.DBA, Mid level DBA, Sr.DBA
Yechiel...now I'm curious...where would you say (or anyone else reading this) salary ranges should fall for each (jr, mid-level and senior DBA's), other
than senior DBA's maxing out at infinity? :)
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From: Yechiel Adar
by your definition I would say no one is a senior dba...
there is too much in Oracle for one person to know it all, so every
DBA, no matter how experienced, is going to ask for help if they are
facing something new. I wouldn't say asking for help means you aren't
senior.
I consider people like
And one more thing . . Knowing when you need help, and then go looking for
it. Lets face it, we are not inside of Oracle Development. The products
are changing all the time, and we need to change our knowledge-base to keep
up with it.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
Speedy Gonzalez accent
Senior DBA... isn't that someone from Spain?
/Speedy Gonzalez accent
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Importance: High
by your definition I would say no one is a senior dba...
there is too much in
Yea I know ... Thats why I mentioned both Experience and Abilities. I would
not say your list of names given were Sr. SIMPLY because they have been in
the buisness forever. But, based on the fact that they have UNDENIABLE
ABILITIES on this subject ... more abilities than most ... they would
okay, the definitive answer, from the soon to be released Oracle9i DBA
101, Theriault, Carmichael and Viscusi:
This bit of humor was circulating around electronic mail a while ago.
We don't know who wrote it, but it's a fun twist on an old joke:
CIOs leap tall buildings in a single bound
Are
100% agreed with the goddess
No one claim that he knows everything about Oracle specially with so much
functionality is being introduced in different version of Oracle databases
and Oracle Financials Application...Working with Oracle Products since 1988
, I am still learning everyday new
You need to add one more line...
Senior DBAs run through buildings
Eat the bullets
Throw the locomotive at the users
Are Oracle Gods (or Goddesses)!
... and know they are not Larry Ellison.
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:59 PM
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As I get older, I find that forgetting is an even more continuous
process
RF
Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
Oracle DBA Technical Lead
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author: Oracle9i New Features
Mastering Oracle8i
Clark Griswold
RF,
You are still very young(if I am not wrong around 42) and should not be
worried about that...
Regards
Rafiq
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:55:02 -0800
As I get older, I find that forgetting is an even more
I would.. but that can't go in a book from Oracle Press as they are
associated with Oracle :)
--- Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You need to add one more line...
Senior DBAs run through buildings
Eat the bullets
Throw the locomotive at the users
Are Oracle Gods (or Goddesses)!
...
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