PiP: Parity is Pain.
Cary Millsap wrote:
Here's the sequence of steps I've seen...
1. The salesman who bids RAID5 configuration wins the business, as per
Dennis's story. He or she wins because the configuration requires fewer
disks than the alternative RAID10 configuration. The salesman
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Putting on my futuristic thinking hat, I see a day not too far off when there won't be any Ds. RAID, as we know it, will go away.
Jerry Whittle
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NCI Information Systems Inc.
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A movie with Julia Roberts or Meg Ryan is what I had in mind.
Mladen Gogala
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Mladen - Thanks for the clarification. Gee, does this
Mladen - Thanks for the clarification. Gee, does this mean no book? Well,
maybe the movie would be some compensation.
Cary - Thanks always for your willingness to share your knowledge. Looking
forward to your book.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Well,
the way memory is growing, we'll soon have in-memory databases which will bring
the
ultimate victory to Cary by rendering the phrase "hit
ratio" meaningless. How's that for futuristic
thinking? To go ev
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A movie with Julia Roberts or Meg Ryan is what I
had in mind.
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
Phone:(203) 459-6855
Soon? Soon?!
What's this Soon stuff?
SQL show sga
Total System Global Area 2.3205E+10 bytes
Fixed Size 735296 bytes
Variable Size1728053248 bytes
Database Buffers 2.1475E+10 bytes
Redo Buffers1335296 bytes
A real pig of an app, but good
You forgot Traci Lords.
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A movie with Julia Roberts or Meg Ryan is what I had in mind.
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If you really want to free your mind, think of this. What if all this is
simply an illusion? We're stuck in the Matrix and if only we could free
ourselves from the tyranny of the machines (i.e. the evil RAID salesfolk et
al) we could liberate humanity and all our Oracle databases so that
When Larry met Carly? I don't know whether Carly is his type, but
that would be some marriage! I can still remember the fiery relationship
with Sandra Kurtzig, the former CEO of Ingres. Having in mind that HP
is a great printer company, according to Larry, I doubt that the
relationship
would
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Dennis, to tell the truth, writing in oracle is not a big
problem, as long as the redo files are not on RAID-5.
Everything
That was McNealy that said HP was a great little printer company, wasn't it?
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
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I'm not sure. You may be right. I thought that it was Larry Ellison,
but then again, it's Monday and my memory is probably failing me.
Mladen Gogala
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RAID-5 microkernel has more lines of code then Oracle7? Wow! This is an
astonishing piece of information and if it wasn't coming from you, I'd
dismiss it as yet another conspiracy theory.
On 2003.06.15 01:44, Cary Millsap wrote:
Meanwhile I have never understood why storage vendors would prefer
Which begs the question:
What is RAID-5 microkernel?
Jared
On Sunday 15 June 2003 00:49, Mladen Gogala wrote:
RAID-5 microkernel has more lines of code then Oracle7? Wow! This is an
astonishing piece of information and if it wasn't coming from you, I'd
dismiss it as yet another conspiracy
Mladen - I would propose another theory. Please consider this rant for
entertainment value, and hopefully to consider a book on this topic.
Usually companies request bids from several vendors. If you as a storage
salesperson always bid RAID1+0, you will always be underbid by your
competitors,
Dennis, to tell the truth, writing in oracle is not a big problem, as long
as the redo files are not on RAID-5. Everything else can reside on RAID-5
without a visible performance impact. Second, RAID-5 vendors like EMC and
Hitachi usually offer two versions of non-volatile cache: write-through one
Here's the sequence of steps I've seen...
1. The salesman who bids RAID5 configuration wins the business, as per
Dennis's story. He or she wins because the configuration requires fewer
disks than the alternative RAID10 configuration. The salesman gets a nice
commission and goes to his company's
It's the whole operating system that comes with a cached RAID5 system that
enables it to do the parity calculations, operation under partial outage
conditions, and take care of all the other hardware weirdnesses that RAID5
software has to handle.
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
For complete disclosure, I didn't do the counting myself. The information
came to me from an Oracle kernel developer during a discussion in his office
at Redwood Shores.
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com
Upcoming events:
- Hotsos Clinic 101 in Dallas, Washington,
Dan,
Excellent idea. We will of course put your comment into the official
BAARF paper version 2 (which I think I can have ready in about 42
seconds from now) as an important (and so far the only) footnote.
What I like about your idea is that it got me wondering if the future
has already
Meanwhile I have never understood why storage vendors would prefer
selling RAID5 over RAID10.
...Because if they don't sell RAID5, they don't recover the RD costs of
creating a RAID5 microkernel that has more lines of code than the Oracle7
executable. I'm not kidding.
Cary Millsap
Hotsos
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Jared writes
At the meeting last week I wore my 'No RAID 5' hat.
Those of you at IOUG 99 in Denver may have seen it, I
wore
Dear Paul,
Welcome to the Party! You have just become member (and a Bold Member as it
were) no 24 (that's 42 backwards).
Thanks. EiE (Enough is Enough).
Mogens
Paul Baumgartel wrote:
Dear Mogens,
When I arrived at my new job, I found RAID 5 everywhere, and a sys
admin who wanted to
You have just become member # 26 in the BAARF Party. You have been
raised to Bold Member status. You seem to both deserver it and need it :-)))
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Our storage team won't even respond to me anymore when I ask for the
manufacturer's rating for non-cached I/Os per second
Mogens,
As a futuristic thinker, I challenge you to go beyond todays
technology and consider what the next millenium may bring. While it is
all good and well to be against RAID-Free/Four/Five, we should also
issue a policy statement against the newer, though not currently
production ready,
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Nice going there Dan,
After reading this 'Free/Four/Five ...' stuff only thing that comes to my mind is ... 'What the F..ive'?
or maybe someone can be insulted by calling them 'you-raid-five-loving-zealot' ...
TGIF
Raj
Dear Mogens,
When I arrived at my new job, I found RAID 5 everywhere, and a sys
admin who wanted to build my new database servers that way...I smote
the old systems and set the new ones on the right path. I would be
proud to be associated with your movement.
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Jared writes
At the meeting last week I wore my 'No RAID 5' hat.
Those of you at IOUG 99 in Denver may have seen it, I
wore it every day there. ;)
I'm curious now. Pictures required.
Meanwhile I have never understood why storage vendors would prefer
selling RAID5 over RAID10. More
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Jared writes
At the meeting last week I wore my 'No RAID 5' hat.
Those of you at IOUG 99 in Denver may have seen it, I
wore it every day there. ;)
I'm curious now. Pictures required.
Meanwhile I have
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So, this is how Jared looks ... cool ... someone likes hot wheels ...
update permanent_memory
set person_face=following_link
where person='Jared'
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commit
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Raj
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Boy I
lost this battle here. The thing was the salesmonger insisted that with
all the caching and multipathing the Hitachi 9200 offered that we needent worry
about putting our production, development, admininstrative, and designer
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Jared wrote
Here are pics if interested.
http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/no_raid_5/no_raid5_1.jpg
http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/no_raid_5/no_raid5_2.jpg
Now that's a igood/i hat.
I too do not understand why vendors push RAID 5 when
RAID 10 is clearly more profitable. I speculate that
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Hey,
Who cares about that RAID thing. Whose the cutie in the pictures - hehe.
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RAID 5's for less money.
Jared
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Our storage team won't even respond to me anymore when I ask for the
manufacturer's rating for non-cached I/Os per second number of
controllers, RAID level, striping, etc... All I get is 'why do you want to
know that' and 'what application is this for'... BARRF will stop the
debilitating
I quit talking about RAID over a year ago. I just put the data on the disks the Unix
folks present to the server. If there are performance problems that we can identify
to the storage system then we pass them along for an explanation.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
I guess I should count myself very fortunate.
The folks here ask me about storage requirements, and listen.
I get invited to meetings with our storage vendor and
get to tell them what I want.
At the meeting last week I wore my 'No RAID 5' hat.
Those of you at IOUG 99 in Denver may have seen
Friends,
James Morle has done it again. Nobody does it better.
For the first public showing of his BAARF animation, please GoTo
www.MiracleAS.dk . Then get back to your work or mailing list fast :-).
Let me know if you want to become a BAARF party member, and I'll assign
you a BAARF party
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Friends,
James Morle has done it again. Nobody does it better.
For the first public showing of his BAARF animation, please GoTo
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Let me know
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Friends,
James Morle has done it again. Nobody does it
better.
For the first public showing of his BAARF animation,
please GoTo
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mailing list fast
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