Re: oraperf.com is now Veritas

2003-09-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Yeah, I was reading and reading for hours studying the fine print of his presentation :-). Niall Litchfield wrote: All of it? how did you plough through all the detail? Niall -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jamadagni,

Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Read ur interesting reply for the query Mladen and learnt a new rule of thumb from u today. i sent the doc. to Raju ONLY adn NOT to the list. it's just the body of the mail u r seeing there. Regards, Jp. 22-09-2003 15:49:40, Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attachments are stripped from

Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
There is a Metalink note 77574.1 entitled Guidelines on When to Rebuild a B- Tree Index which explains how to use validate structure and index_stats table. It is far too scientific to ever put into the script. Explanation for the rule of thumb is simple: if number of index blocks is big that

Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread Munish Bajaj
Hi Listers Any idea about this Bug in 9.2.0.4. If you try "select 'Hello' from dual order by 1 desc;" you may run into the bug. It creates a dump in udump and could disconnect your session. Oracle is creating a one-off patch to fix. The bug is for any order by x, where x is a number,

Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Anand, it's the same doc. mentioned by Mladen. i have sent it to your email address ONLY. Jp. 22-09-2003 16:20:21, Anand Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prem, Can you mail me the same document -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J

RE: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Juan Miranda
set serveroutput on size 100 set pagesize 0 set feedback off set echo off set trimspool on spool c:\reb_index1.sql DECLARE dbname varchar2(20); wdayvarchar2(11); BEGIN

Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
That's the doc. i mailed raju. Thanx Mladen. can i add a question here : when is it appropriate to use BITMAP index ? seems it has lot of restrictions. read docs about it ...still confused. say, i have a big table with 50,000,000 records in a OLTP env. it has column SEX which will have either

RE: How to check data between two similar tables?

2003-09-22 Thread Robson, Peter
Yes, I do this every days for hundreds of tables. But they are not large tables (max table size about 1.5 million rows). Comparison script is automatically generated from a table holding a list of the tables to be compared. These SQL comparisons are wrapped up in scripts which then mail me if

RE: SQL Query

2003-09-22 Thread Robson, Peter
Err, not quite, actually. The solution presented below will simply generate the cartesian product of the sum of attributes from the table. The (grossly pedantic) solution is: select distinct a.col1, a.col2, a.col3||b.col3||c.col3 from fred a, fred b, fred c where a.col3 = 'A' and b.col3 = 'B'

Re: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Munish, i posted the same content to the LIST this morning. i tried it on my instance and it happens :(( Jp. 22-09-2003 17:19:39, Munish Bajaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Listers Any idea about this Bug in 9.2.0.4. If you try select 'Hello' from dual order by 1 desc; you may run into the

RE: OT, But really STUPID

2003-09-22 Thread Robson, Peter
Careful! After a week, the consensus view of the employees was very positive - they found they had far more time to get on with their work and regarded the ruling as worth while. External email was not affected. The rule was merely an attempt to cut down on the amount of internal email

RE: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Veeraraju_Mareddi
Thanks for all who responded. -- From: Prem Khanna J[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

Re: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread ManojKr Jha
SQL select * from v$version; BANNER Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.2.0 - 64bit Production PL/SQL Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production CORE9.2.0.2.0 Production TNS for IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version 9.2.0.2.0 -

Re: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread ManojKr Jha
Can any body try the following in 9.2.0.4 SQL select object_name,object_type,owner from dba_objects where object_name like '%DUAL%'; OBJECT_NAME OBJECT_TYPEOWNER --

Re: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread ManojKr Jha
Hi, and also verfy that X$dual is access after this , this can checked with explain plan. If x$dual is not acces then consider to drop dual table, and do followings: conn sys as sysdba desc x$dual create or replace view v_dual as select dummy from sys.x$dual where inst_id =

Re: wrapping packages

2003-09-22 Thread Tanel Poder
That was the case, back at highschool days... I think you're still there... at least according to your posts. :) I call it active learning :) Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services

two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Title: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8) Hi! We are running 2 Oracle instances on one Suse Linux box (under the same Unix oracle user). We have two oracle homes 9.0.1 (/opt/oracle/iasdb) and 9.2.0 (/opt/oracle/loga) The first instance starts up fine, but the second one

RE: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Jack van Zanen
What are the error messages?? Should be able to run w/o problems Jack -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! We are running 2 Oracle instances on one Suse Linux box (under the same Unix oracle user). We have two

RE: minus vs. where not exists, vs. where not in

2003-09-22 Thread Sinardy Xing
well superman is poorer than batman -Original Message- Sent: 22 September 2003 13:45 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yeah, Superman had Super powers. Batman just relied on a bunch of gadgets. Of course my original post was implying the classic it depends. There are some

RE: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Sinardy Xing
Title: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8) Hi Helmut, when you do switch user su - newuser use the "-" it will run the .profile of that user, I assume your problem is because the env variables. Otherwise(or) you can open a new telnet windows to startup the other database?

AW: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Title: AW: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8) Hello Jack, The problem is that the NLS environment does not get reset when using oraenv. It resets ORACLE_HOME and ORACLE_SID, but ORA_NLS33 always has the values of the first instance. I had a look at the oraenv script, and there

Re: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread jo_holvoet
I tried it on 9.2.0.4 in Win2k and it does indeed disconnect my session :( Nothing in udump, but it does write to core.log in cdump. regards Jo Munish Bajaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/22/2003 10:19 Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list

RE: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Jack van Zanen
Have you ever succeded in starting the 9.2.0 database? jack -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello Jack, The problem is that the NLS environment does not get reset when using oraenv. It resets ORACLE_HOME and

RE: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread Nigel Bishop
There is a patch fix for this - patch Number 2990413 - this is for Solaris - I haven't checked any other O/Ss -Original Message- Sent: 22 September 2003 11:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I tried it on 9.2.0.4 in Win2k and it does indeed disconnect my session :( Nothing

RE: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread Nigel Bishop
Ooops - Sorry Monday morning cut paste error - patch number should read 3110923 -Original Message- Sent: 22 September 2003 11:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I tried it on 9.2.0.4 in Win2k and it does indeed disconnect my session :( Nothing in udump, but it does write

Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Hi List, I have placed an order for Cary's book @bookpool. Does someone know when it will be in stock ? Can Mr.Cary Millsap let me know that ? Regards, Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network

Re: RE: Bug in 9.2.0.4

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Ohhh ! ...i don't find 3110923 patch fix for Ms-Win :( 22-09-2003 20:39:52, Nigel Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops - Sorry Monday morning cut paste error - patch number should read 3110923 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET:

AW: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8)

2003-09-22 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Title: AW: two instances on same box (Suse Linux ES 8) yes, by starting the 9.01 instance first, then editing /etc/profile.d/oracle.sh file and then start the second instance from a second terminal window. Not very elegant, but it worked... -- Helmut -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Re: RE: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Thanx for the info' Ranganath. it's too late now.i have placed my order. that's okay.i will finish it b4 i come there. it will help me a lot ;) Regards, Jp. 22-09-2003 19:59:24, Ranganath K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Prem, The book should be out during first week of October. BTW the low

ORA-03237 with LOB and locally managed tablespace

2003-09-22 Thread Luc . Demanche
Hi gurus, Could you explain that. Working with tablespace in locally managed, with uniform extends size, we want to create LOB but we must have the uniform extend size 3 times the db_block_size, right? Otherwise we got ORA-03237. With dictionnary managed tablespace we don't have this problem.

Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
It's up to the publisher as to when they will print more, Cary has no control over that. However... it apparently never GOT to Amazon, as I had it on pre-order there, and it is still listed as to be released and not shipping :( --- Prem Khanna J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I have

RE: oraperf.com is now Veritas

2003-09-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: Message was there much (in that paper) ?? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an

RE: PL/SQL Question:Eliminate duplicate rows

2003-09-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Ron, Doesn't matter. On the way to your car, or the gym, or to watch your kids play ball - my Uncle Guido can find you anywhere you go!! :) Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list

Re: ORA-03237 with LOB and locally managed tablespace

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
Luc, got this for u from metalink. Solution Description You need to ensure that the extent size specification in the tablespace is at least four times the db_block_size. i.e:

asktom's PRINT TABLE procedure

2003-09-22 Thread Oracle DBA
Hi List, Does any know the URL or the code to get Tom's(asktom) PRINT TABLE procedure? I did search asktom.oracle.com but i couldn't find out. Any help would be appreciated. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Prem Khanna J
hope O'reilly prints some more soon. Jp. 22-9-2003 22:09:40, Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's up to the publisher as to when they will print more, Cary has no control over that. However... it apparently never GOT to Amazon, as I had it on pre-order there, and it is still listed as

FW: ADMN errors in startup sometimes with 9ias - help?

2003-09-22 Thread Paula_Stankus
Title: FW: ADMN errors in startup sometimes with 9ias - help? Here is the startup output. Any ideas why we might sometimes get these errors? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

Re: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread rgaffuri
what was the initial printing? congrats Cary. Hope I can get a copy soon. From: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/22 Mon AM 09:09:40 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock ! It's up to the publisher as to

Re: asktom's PRINT TABLE procedure

2003-09-22 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
I also searched asktom and found this: http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/ask/f?p=4950:8:F4950_P8_DISPLAYID:1035431863958 At 05:29 AM 9/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hi List, Does any know the URL or the code to get Tom's(asktom) PRINT TABLE procedure? I did search asktom.oracle.com but i couldn't

RE: oraperf.com is now Veritas

2003-09-22 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
Download it for yourself from https://www.oracleworld2003.com/published/36849/36849_Kolk.ppt and see for yourself. But you better have a high speed connection. At 05:19 AM 9/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: was there much (in that paper) ?? Raj

Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Looks as if tech workers are learning the basics of protesting. http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=15000146 Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS

RE: oraperf.com is now Veritas

2003-09-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: oraperf.com is now Veritas Thanks Wolfgang ... I already had the paper ... I pity the tree. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal.

RE: Anyone have a copy of DUL ??

2003-09-22 Thread waibals
Hi Juan, I read the link this morning but be the server seems to have gone bonks -Page Not Found error!! I hope the doc has not been maliciously deleted!! Any other reference to the doc?? Best regards, CSW Simon. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:40 PM To:

RE: Migrating from ONAMES to OID

2003-09-22 Thread Jesse, Rich
If you want to try and remove a single point-of-failure, you'll want to look into using replication with OiD. We tried to use version 9.0.1. tried being the operative word. Granted, in retrospect, I think some of our problems were due to us trying this on Linux. When we placed TARs, the OiD

RE: Oracle 9i new features - by Connor McDonald

2003-09-22 Thread Jesse, Rich
Looks like an excellent presentation, both content-wise and visually. Maybe the latter's due to it being Acrobat and not a PowerlessPoint... :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm sure that all heads on the Capitol Hill would turn when both members show up with banners, demanding better pay for starved database administrators. What do you think, should we mandate 9i OCP for joining the union? If we were in London, we

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
The labor unions would definitely be interested. Teamsters, Steel Workers, AFSME? Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:09 AM We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm sure that

ORA-4052 querying in PLSQL across a DB-Link from 9.2.0.1 to

2003-09-22 Thread Hemant K Chitale
I face this peculiar behaviour when I connect from my 9.2.0.1/Tru64 database to a 9.2.0.4/Solaris [upgraded from 9.2.0.1 to 9.2.0.2 to 9.2.0.4] database through a Database Link. {I use the 9.2.0.1/Tru64 Database to monitor a number of other 8.0--9.2.0.2/NT-Solaris-Tru64 databases using the

RE: OT, But really STUPID

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen Lee
What they REALLY need to do is schedule a meeting. Yes. More meetings. (because None of us is a dumb as all of us. ... www.despair.com ) -Original Message- The subtext was - 'why don't you speak to that person instead of emailing them?' -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:

Re: SGA Max size

2003-09-22 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
Please make sure SGA_MAX_SIZE works on your h/w platform. It does not work on AIX as advertised, and I think Sun Solaris needs some tweaking (related to ISM use) to make it work. - Kirti --- Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 9202, DB_BUBBER_CACHE, SHARED_POOL, LARGE_POOL and

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread David Wagoner
Title: RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock ! UPS just delivered my copy of Cary's book to the office! Can't wait to read it, but first I plan to finish the books I'm currently reading: - The Art and Science of Oracle Performance Tuning (Chris Lawson) - Oracle SQL High-Performance Tuning (Guy

RE: PL/SQL Question:Eliminate duplicate rows

2003-09-22 Thread Johan Muller
Job well done, Tom, the embarrasment is of no consequence. The routine was modified to include Ron's pointer. Stats for Tom's first routine below: load table 1.3 million rows, results table (deduped rows) 48,307. Completion time (via sqlplus over network) 63 seconds. Second routine (same tables)

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Definitely steel workers. We are being left to sweat in dark and we frequently get burnt by fire. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KENNETH JANUSZ Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Weaver, Walt
Title: Message And don't forget the new Harry Potter book --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message-From: David Wagoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Re: Cary's book

10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Jay Wade
Hello: Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have SQL Plus in 10g. I heard rumor that it was removed. Since it seems as though some from this list have seen it does it still have SQL Plus or has it been removed? Thanks In Advance, Jay

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
David - You're torturing us man! Lend me your copy so I can read it while you're working your way down to it. Only fair! Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of

Re: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
Title: Message Also Hillary Rodham Clinton Rodham's book -excellent fiction. Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - From: Weaver, Walt To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Orr, Steve
But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Definitely steel workers. We are being left to sweat in dark and we frequently get burnt

Re: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi! Sqlplusw is gone, the windows gui version. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:19 PM Hello: Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have SQL Plus in 10g. I

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
You'll have to check with Tony Soprano. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:34 AM But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original

Re: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread brian . mcgraw
Affirmative. I used SQL*Plus during one of the Hands-On 10G Database sessions at OracleWorld. Brian - Original Message - Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:19 am Hello: Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have SQL Plus in 10g. I heard rumor

Re: Anyone have a copy of DUL ??

2003-09-22 Thread Pete Finnigan
Hi Simon, seems to be there now, just tried it 4:50pm UK time. kind regards Pete -- Pete Finnigan email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.petefinnigan.com - Oracle security audit specialists Book:Oracle security step-by-step Guide - see http://store.sans.org for details. -- Please see

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to Chris Lawson's book, an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris Lawsons' Art and Science of Tuning Oracle reads like Dale Carnegie for database administrators. Basically, we should give up our cynical attitude, become indistinguishable from

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Cary Millsap
I'm not sure what's up with Amazon. It was released last week, and it's showing up at people's houses now when purchased from other sources. Consider canceling your Amazon pre-order and buying it direct from oreilly.com. ...I'm pretty sure it's going to be several months before O'Reilly sells

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Cary Millsap
I'm not sure what's up with Amazon. It was released last week, and it's showing up at people's houses now when purchased from other retailers. Consider canceling your Amazon pre-order and buying it direct from oreilly.com. ..I'm pretty sure it's going to be several months before O'Reilly sells

RE: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Actually, they will have SQL*PlusPlus, an object oriented extension of SQL*Plus. Then there will be Enterprise Plus Stringbeans, Pluslets, active plus pages and so forth. Ultimately, they'll end up with fclstwkgr (Freaking Command Line SQL Tool Which Keeps Getting Renamed). -- Mladen Gogala

Re: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Ron Rogers
According to the Oracle rep at a 10G demo, SQLPLUS and PL/SQL still exist. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/22/03 12:19PM Hello: Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have SQL Plus in 10g. I heard rumor that it was removed. Since it seems as though some from this

Re: ORA-4052 querying in PLSQL across a DB-Link from 9.2.0.1 to

2003-09-22 Thread raju pa
Did you check if it is a privilege issue because the access privilege is granted thru a role. roles are not recognised in PL/SQLHemant K Chitale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I face this peculiar behaviour when I connect from my 9.2.0.1/Tru64 databaseto a 9.2.0.4/Solaris [upgraded from 9.2.0.1 to

RE: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Jesse, Rich
Going from svrmgrl in 8 to srvctl in 9iRAC, I keep typing in svrctl and then can't figure out why it doesn't work... Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From:

Re: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread rgaffuri
dba union could be considered a trust. doctors tried doing it and because they are 'independent businesses' its not a union its a trust. they did it to fight high mal-practice suits. From: Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/22 Mon PM 12:34:40 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list

RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock ! Yey just received my copies of Cary's and Tom's new books. I'll get Toms autographed no 24th, for Cary's it will have to wait till Hotsos'04. now the sad part ... with the new baby at home, don't know how much time I'll get ... well there is

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Weaver, Walt
Have any DBA's ever been sued for malpractice? I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll be going back to work any day now. Then I can quit this temporary IT career I've been working at for 22 years

Re: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Peter Gram
Hej Jay Yes it stil there :-) Jay Wade wrote: Hello: Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have SQL Plus in 10g. I heard rumor that it was removed. Since it seems as though some from this list have seen it does it still have SQL Plus or has it been

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
A trust? That is only marginally better then the axis of evil. Do we risk getting bombed if we establish a trust? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:15

Re: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Arup Nanda
SQL*Plus windoz version is removed, not the ubiquitous command line tool. How can they remove SQL*Plus, the proverbial cockroach tool of the Oracle world? Arup - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:19 PM

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Joe Testa
Yea they do, i was forced to be part of a union when employed by the State of OH EPA. There were your typical state employees(lazy and not doing much, didnt want to learn anything new, etc) and us DBAs working like nuts and capped on what we could make(back in those days, '94-96, it was like

RE: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Cary Millsap
It's in the beta 1 software. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic 101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004, March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Monday, September 22,

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Jimmy Hoffa would probably agree with you, once they pull him out from beneath Meadowlands. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weaver, Walt Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients

Re: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Peter Gram
Hi No this is not true sqlplusw.exe on w2*k is stil there in the beta kit and I can not find anything about desupport in the manuals :-) Tanel Poder wrote: Hi! Sqlplusw is gone, the windows gui version. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL

RE: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Cary Millsap
It's still in oracle\bin in the 10.1.0.0.0 software for MSWin. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic 101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004, March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- Tanel

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Thater, William
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: A trust? That is only marginally better then the axis of evil. Do we risk getting bombed if we establish a trust? maybe, but remember some of us can bomb back.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA I'm going to work my ticket if I

OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread rgaffuri
I read some posts on here with shared storage such as SAN and Network Appliances its no longer necessary to multiplex datafiles on different disks, since the storage array handles that for you. How do you ensure that control files and redo log files are kept safely apart so that no one disk

Re[2]: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Monday, September 22, 2003, 9:09:40 AM, Rachel wrote: RC However... it apparently never GOT to Amazon, as I had it on pre-order RC there, and it is still listed as to be released and not shipping :( Have faith. The books only left O'Reilly's warehouse on the 16th. They would have gone out to

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Brian Dunbar
Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, September 22, 2003 12:35 PM said; I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll be going back to work any day now. Then I can quit this temporary IT

Re: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Monday, September 22, 2003, 7:39:38 AM, Prem Khanna wrote: PKJ I have placed an order for Cary's book @bookpool. PKJ Does someone know when it will be in stock ? We, as in O'Reilly, shipped Cary's books *to* Bookpool on the 16th. Actually, we shipped some on the 12th and more on the 16th, which

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Joe Testa
under the goalpost right? joe Mladen Gogala wrote: Jimmy Hoffa would probably agree with you, once they pull him out from beneath Meadowlands. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weaver, Walt Sent: Monday,

Re: 10g: SQL Plus

2003-09-22 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:19:41 PM, you wrote: JW Was watching Larry Ellison's key note and he mentioned that they still have JW SQL Plus in 10g. JW I heard rumor that it was removed. Since it seems as though some from this JW list have seen it does it still have SQL Plus or has it been

Re: How do we know that an index need to be rebuilt.

2003-09-22 Thread Tim Gorman
The problem that rebuilding indexes is attempting to resolve is sparseness. Lots of folks think that indexes become unbalanced over time and that is the reason for rebuild, but Oracle B*Tree indexes are always balanced. Sparseness is the symptom, however, not the cause. The problem with

RE: Re[2]: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Amazon changed status on my order, saying it will ship on 9/24. Are you sure that O'Reilly didn't use western style stage coach or wagon train as shipping method? Ye-haw! -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
In my opinion, SAN storage begs the question about whether OFA makes sense anymore. If you can configurte the SAN storage so that all files are striped across all disk, then everything is spread. And if the SAN is mirrored, then just why are we working so hard? EMC SAN disk has such an

RE: download metalink articles - save target as

2003-09-22 Thread Paula_Stankus
Title: RE: download metalink articles - save target as When I right click on a metalink article to try to save it to a local directory and use save target as - it only provides a blank file. What's the easiest way to save these files locally? I want to because sometimes the more useful ones

Cary's Book

2003-09-22 Thread Tracy Rahmlow
Fyi, I just received confirmation from Amazon that my pre-order was shipped. American Express made the following annotations on 09/22/2003 10:46:31 AM --

RE: Cary's book -- Out of stock !

2003-09-22 Thread Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD
Title: RE: Cary's book -- Out of stock ! Ah Cary, you're not giving yourself enough credit. It'll probably be sold out by the end of this week at the latest. It's like the hottest book out there now (seriously). I know I showed someone here the pre-released copy you gave us in the Hotsos 101

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Kip . Bryant
While I wouldn't say I was anti-union, when I worked unionized jobs (construction, teaching, civil service) a long time ago -- it was like working for two bosses. If you disagreed with the union you had no recourse and were likely to experience problems if you did. And you really don't want to

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Ed Lewis
Yes. he was under the visitors goalpost, but I heard he didn't like it and moved to the home team's goalpost. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:14 PM under the goalpost right? joe Mladen Gogala

RE: OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
Title: RE: OFA and Shared Storage we use a single/double file system.. The LUN is made up of multiple physical disks, striped/mirrored across the multiple spindles based on the storage requirements. The disk technology has come a long way. Plus there have been several bench marks/white

temp tables in explain plan

2003-09-22 Thread Gene Gurevich
hi all: Oracle's explain plan for a report I'm trying to tune is referring to several temp tables. Is there a way for me to see any info aobut these tables. Here is my explain plan: 1.118473 SELECT STATEMENT (56700, 5386500, 118473) 2.0 TEMP TABLE GENERATION (, , ) 2.0 TEMP

RE: OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Files are kept safe simply by RAID-5 mechanism. RAID-5 protects against any single disk failure (double disk failure can wipe it all out) and that is precisely why Mogens is such a zealous proponent of RAID-5 systems. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: RE: OFA and Shared Storage Greg, I agree that OFA is a great concept for basing your standards on. At least DBA's who manage several servers can find stuff without spending time querying the database to find stuff. But I worry less and less about spreading and balancing files

RE: OFA and Shared Storage

2003-09-22 Thread Matthew Zito
Well, its beyond no need to multiplex - it rolls right into might not be possible (though that's an extreme case). Basically, since today's large arrays have several layers of abstraction between the storage consumer and the physical spindles, it can be difficult to determine what physical

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