RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Niall Litchfield
I wouldn't want anyone to think that I personally think that the math is a mistake for the book, my concern is that it may hurt sales unnecessarily. I don't think that DB's amazon review helps much either, but it is revealing. Niall > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

Re: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Paul Drake
Ryan,   I do not recall seeing a single dy/dx or integrand in the text. The type of math that he used, I saw in high school, and that was in the US, at a public  school. Cary easily could have used "real" math to prove his points. He didn't. He used graphical methods, visual basic and intuition. Bu

Re: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Of course, if you just want to learn the file name, oradebug tracefile_name will do the trick. Looks like this: $ sqlplus "/ as sysdba" SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.4.0 - Production on Thu Oct 23 01:00:57 2003 Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved. Connected to: Oracle9

Re: Renaming Role

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Generate "grant" script from dba_role_privs, use "vi" to replace old role with the new and execute the script. Drop the old role. On 2003.10.23 00:49, setiady wrote: Dear all, Is it possible to rename a role? If it can't be done, what is the best approach to port all the users in the "old" r

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Cary Millsap
I don't know exactly how to scope your question, so I'll answer the two things I think it might mean. For every chapter except for Chapter 9 (Queueing Theory), even college calculus would be extreme overkill, even if you're looking to *derive* all the formulas in those chapters. Understanding the

Re: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, Rafiq, when you move the table, indexes are marked stale, which means that you must rebuild them. Marking indexes unusable shouldn't generate any redo log, except for the dictionary block that was altered. Other then that, moving table is an opration roughly analogous to CTAS and I suspec

Re: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
No, you don't. I made mistake and tried to learn queuing theory from it. This book is not a course in queuing theory, it's a book about the optimization techniques and how to use queuing theory to actually predict the response time and write SLA's. It's not written in the usual form for mathe

Re: who writes the OCP tests?

2003-10-22 Thread Ryan
my point is that relative to 'execute immediate' how many people use utl_tcp? execute immediate isnt on the exam at all. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:04 PM > I am using utl_tcp as we speak to send

RE: Renaming Role

2003-10-22 Thread Sinardy Xing
1. create the new role 2. create script spool /tmp/move_role.sql select 'alter user ' || grantee || ' grant new_role;' from dba_users where granted_role = 'OLD_ROLE' host more /tmp/move_role.sql --@/tmp/move_role Sinardy -Original Message- Sent: 23 Octob

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
Thanks, Jack! Julian dates were mentioned here and I was just curious. On 2003.10.22 21:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 15th of March. >From http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html : Kalends (1st day of the month) Nones (the 7th day in March, May, July, and October; the 5th in the other mont

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Tim Gorman
Title: Re: Boolean dates... ...and just by way of trivia, the Latin word “kalends” is the only word in that language to start with the letter “K”... on 10/22/03 6:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 15th of March. From http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html : Kalen

Re: state objects

2003-10-22 Thread Sultan Syed
Yes ,Dennis. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:04 PM > Sultan - Are you referring to the Oracle shared pool components that are > identified as state objects? A quick Google also revealed that Java has

Renaming Role

2003-10-22 Thread setiady
Dear all, Is it possible to rename a role? If it can't be done, what is the best approach to port all the users in the "old" role to the new "role"? Thanks in advance. Regards, seth. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: setiady INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Tim Gorman
Title: Re: 10046 trace question DBMS_SYSTEM.KSDWRT should do what you want.  First parameter is a numeric value 1 or 2, second is a string.  If 1, the string is written to a “.trc” file (which is what you want).  If 2, then string is written to the alert log. on 10/22/03 9:39 AM, Jamadagni, R

Re: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Ryan
if someone wants to dig into the type of math you are using in your book in more depth, what level of math expertise would you recommend? Do you have to go beyond college level calculus ? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, Oc

RE: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread M Rafiq
No need to say yes(not a valid option either) as logging is default. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:05:05 -0800 So how do I turn logging to YES on the index? -Original Message- Sent: Wednes

RE: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread M Rafiq
Waleed, I agree with you as I moved a 5GB table last week with nologging option with extent size 500M and did not see any normal redo generation for that. It is 8.1.7.0 database. that table has 8 indexes for total size of almost 3GB. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recip

Re: OT: How to call unix shell scripts from 'C'?

2003-10-22 Thread Ryan
the basics are they i want 'C' so i can use a file pointer. I need to do some search and replace in a group of files. If I use straight scripting I have to redirect the output to a new file and do a 'mv' to rename it back. with the filepointer, I was hoping to be to use fopen in C to open the file

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Cary Millsap
Dennis, Thanks. In fact, I feel the same way about this as many of you who have written about the book in the prior two days. I think the material that ended up being Part II needed to be studied, refined, and documented. And I believe it is important that this material be written in a BOOK instea

RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Grant Allen
> -Original Message- > From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 06:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Mauve databases use least RAM > > > I just received "Effective Oracle by Design" and reading the foreword > I noticed not only

RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
Apologies not needed - I thought it was rather amusing actually! It's easy to confuse Robert and I. We've worked closely together on a number of books, and we're both equally cute! :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's mu

RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Microsoft?? A secret SQL Server developer? Address spoofing is a child play now-a-days ... Raj -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for? :) Pete ***

Re: Cache a table

2003-10-22 Thread Tim Gorman
I have two favorite email signatures. One is used by Gary Dodge who is commencing his 68th quarter at Oracle Corporation. It reads: "Building tomorrow's legacy systems today, one crisis at a time..." And the other is used by a gentleman named Gene Fosnight, formerly of Oracle (now happily r

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
Maybe your memory is suffering. Wasn't it a 42? :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Steve McClure Sent: Thursday, October 23, 20

Re[2]: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 5:09:35 PM, Niall wrote: NL> Stephen Hawking in 'A Brief History of Time' writes "Someone NL> told me that each equation I put in the book would halve the sales. I NL> therefore resolved not to have any equations at all. In the end, NL> however, I did put in one equatio

Re: re Rebuilding Indexes in Oracle Apps --

2003-10-22 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Hemant, If you purge 80% of rows from a table without intending to reinsert them anytime soon, then yes, a table reorg would be a recommended step. No arguments from me there ;) I had lunch with Pete Sharman today and he mentioned that he sent an email to the support person responsible for the

Re: Block size : what is the gain ?

2003-10-22 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Stephane, If you're using a conventional file system on AIX, you can expect a reduction in performance by moving to 16K from your already imperfect 8K. See Steve Adam's notes why the DB block size should = the file system buffer size (www.ixora.com). And that's *4K* on AIX. Cheers Richard -

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Grant Allen
-Original Message- Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 01:39 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think what your boss really means is 'julian' date. Does he also want his database in mauve? - Nice Dilbert reference, Jared. One of my favourites ... stuck prominently on my wall

RE: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Alter table ...Move TS nologging is 100% equivalent to CTAS and should generate minimal amount of logging even if it ran serially (no PQ). Actually the type of command is considered "CREATE TABLE" So I'm not sure how the original poster was able to determine that the operation generated huge

Re: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
I apologize. I was somehow connecting you with TUSC and Robert Freeman. Not that it's a bad thing, but I should have noticed. On 2003.10.22 20:54, Pete Sharman wrote: And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for? :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread JApplewhite
The 15th of March. From http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html : Kalends (1st day of the month) Nones (the 7th day in March, May, July, and October; the 5th in the other months) Ides (the 15th day in March, May, July, and October; the 13th in the other months Jack C. Applewhite Database

RE: re Rebuilding Indexes in Oracle Apps -- was RE: RE:

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
So now the blame rests solely on Richard for any material in the note that's wrong. :) Check the latest update: http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab ase_id=NOT&p_id=182699.1 Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbo

Re: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
On 2003.10.22 20:19, Michael Milligan wrote: database "experts" who purport that the "relational" in RDBMS represents relating tables. Just for completeness, the definition of a relation is, quite literally, "a subset of cartesian product". Set theory studies mostly relations of ordering and equ

RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Mladen - I can think of far more reasons why an employee would NOT participate on a public list than reasons why they would. 5. You can easily become the target of wrath for anyone that hates Oracle. 4. The slightest misstatement on your part could easily be interpreted as a lack of knowledg

RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for? :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursda

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Henry Poras
but exporting the metadata just adds the necessary information to the data dictionary. It doesn't touch the data file headers (or does it???). Henry -Original Message- Rachel Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didn't say you w

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Steve McClure
>If you gave me a quiz on relational algebra today, I'd probably flunk >it, like many people that daily work with relational databases. But that >doesn't stop us from making use of the fruits of the theory. Similarly, I >don't think we need to understand Part II in detail to successfully use >Cary'

Re: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Pete Sharman is also an Oracle employee. And I know of at least two Oracle University instructors who are members, albeit not using their Oracle email addresses. There are several other Oracle employees on the list, some lurk because they've joined using their Oracle email addresses and may be afr

Re: Using oracle together with PHP and redhat

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
So, what is the problem? There is detailed documentation about how to set up PHP with oracle on Linux. One of the sites that I'd check would definitely be http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.apache2.php What doesn't work? Apache? PHP? Oracle? What happens when you try phpinfo? Did you check y

RE: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Jared . Still
A quick look at the docs for 'alter index' will reveal all. "Roger Xu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  10/22/2003 04:05 PM  Please respond to ORACLE-L                 To:        Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>         cc:                 Subject:

RE: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Niall Litchfield
Title: Message I'm not entirely sure what the problem with granting execute on dbms_system is here? dbms_system.ksddt and dbms_system.ksdwrt seem to give exactly what you wish?   Niall -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dani

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Michael Milligan
Great comment. I believe your analogy to relational theory to be very apt. Back when we were all in junior high and our teachers were drawing those Venn diagrams on the board, we were probably thinking "When will I ever use this stuff?". Personally, I use it every day. What you said about relationa

RE: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Thanks Daniel,   I'd rather do that using Perl because this has to happen on both nodes of RAC also I'd do this if it is the last option.   Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expresse

RE: who writes the OCP tests?

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
I am using utl_tcp as we speak to send feeds out to our customers ... encrypted of course. We have a program that uses utl_http to go to espn.com, fetch data, filter out what we need and use that to populate the database. Yes, we do use it ... but I am not Oracle employee. Raj -

Re: Share Data between PostgreSQL and Oracle

2003-10-22 Thread David Hau
or use a Java stored procedure on Oracle, accessing pgsql via JDBC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xml? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle external procedures, accessing PostgreSQL would do the trick without flat files

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Yosi Greenfield
Jared's close. It's 2718 - BC -. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Goulet, DickSent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:24 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Boolean dates... Jared,       If that's true there

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
When, exactly, were the Ides of March? On 10/22/2003 04:59:25 PM, Stephane Faroult wrote: Mladen Gogala wrote: > > Nope. It's the dates according to the format invented by Booleous > Caesar. Who was counting his days 'ab urbe condita' (753 BC), hence the 700 years shift. > On 10/22/2003 12:24:30 P

Re: OT: How to call unix shell scripts from 'C'?

2003-10-22 Thread Stephane Faroult
"Quintin, Richard" wrote: > > fork() and exec() are what you're looking for. I haven't done it in a > while, but you should be able to find plenty of info online. > > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 11:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The unix and C forums are pretty inactive. Hope its ok to ask this here

Re: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
I guess that your review is fair (and balanced, of course). In my review, I confessed the sin of having a math degree, so the perspective is necessarily, different. I believe that it probably is hard for a person equipped only with the high school math apparatus. To give credit where it's due, I

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Me thinks he meant 'Julian Dates' but this qualifies for interesting quotes section in Dilbert newsletter though. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly p

Setting environment variable in Perl script

2003-10-22 Thread Pena, Carol A
Title: Setting environment variable in Perl script I need some help with a perl script!  I have a script that currently does batch compiles of forms and reports so I know it works.  However, I need to have a version of it for compiling forms in French using the NLS_LANG=FRENCH_FRANCE.WE8ISO88

Re: who writes the OCP tests?

2003-10-22 Thread Joe Testa
But now since you've discussed whats on the test, the oracle police will come and confiscate your "certified" copy of your completion certificate. bwahahahahaha Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all oracle employees? Are any of you involved in the 9i PL/SQL test? I just took it today and passed it.

FW: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Cary Millsap
Title: Message Niall,   This is a very kind, and I believe (maybe it’s only hopeful belief) a very accurate depiction of what the book is. I have read Hawking’s note to which you refer. Honestly, I included the formulas for two reasons:   1)   To communicate the relationships of tr

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Jesse, Rich
How/where did you find this? I know older versions of Perl/DBI/DBD::Oracle silently fail on login attempts, but we've had no problems with Java on 8.1.7.4/HPUX. Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA >

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
I think Cary deserves a vote of appreciation for Part II of his book. I feel (based on the comments of others, haven't waded through it myself yet) that he has put Oracle performance tuning on a solid mathematical foundation. My first education was engineering and I learned was that a practice

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
It's because there's more magic behind the scenes that does things like the little endian big endian conversion. It's not transparent as you would need it to be for a straight copy at the OS level to work. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no

RE: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Roger Xu
So how do I turn logging to YES on the index? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L In addition to operations provided in Mladen's explanation, all partitioning operations such as exchange/split.. partition, etc. do not gene

Re: Oracle pricing ain't going down

2003-10-22 Thread Ryan
what is the microsoft,. sybase, and ibm database pricing? anyone know the differences in prices? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:24 PM > http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?Arti

RE: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Trace file size is not a problem ... the file system has 35GB ... the problem to be able to put some kind of marker in the live trace file when a problem is experienced. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot c

Re: question on comments -sanity check

2003-10-22 Thread jo_holvoet
user_col_comments, all_col_comments, dba_col_comments regards Jo Bob Metelsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/2003 22:44 Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:question o

RE: question on comments -sanity check

2003-10-22 Thread Michael Milligan
You can attach comments to both tables and columns: COMMENT ON TABLE mytable is 'My table comment'; COMMENT ON COLUMN mytable.mycolumn is 'My column comment'; This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or enti

RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?

2003-10-22 Thread Spears, Brian
First feedback is that it is not rac but a step up..   brian -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:34 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?Fro

Re: question on comments -sanity check

2003-10-22 Thread Stephane Faroult
Bob Metelsky wrote: > > All > The powers that be have it in their minds that there is a place > for comments on each "column" in a table. afaik.. comments are only > associated with tables not columns > > Eg > Select * from user_tab_comments; > > People here seem to think they can "docu

RE: OT: How to call unix shell scripts from 'C'?

2003-10-22 Thread Bob Lofstrand
Title: RE: OT: How to call unix shell scripts from 'C'? If it is just a simple script call use system("/home/me/myscript"); Be careful, your env vars might not be what you expect them to be. -Original Message- From: Quintin, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October

RE: question on comments -sanity check

2003-10-22 Thread Bob Metelsky
Dammit! I see now select * from user_col_comments order by table_name; -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:41 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' All The powers that be have it in their minds that there is a place for comments on each "column" in a table. afaik.. com

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Jose Luis Delgado
Guys!... Thanks a lot to all! As usual... great list..., great answers! I'm gonna check the suggestions... just that, doing a select from that field (using Julian dates) shows the dates about 500+ years into the future. Anyway, most of your mails put light into this subject to me. Thanks a lo

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I didn't say you wouldn't have to export the metadata, as you do in 8i and 9i --- Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see how this would work. You still have to move the physical > data > file to the new machine. What makes a transportable tablespace > trasportable > is that you

Another query problem in 9i

2003-10-22 Thread Guang Mei
Hi: I have another problem that I have been trying to solve. I have this query that works perfectly in 8i, but does not work in 9i. The query is -- not working in 9i but works in 8i: select distinct arc.TermID, arc.ParentTermID fromarc connect by prior arc.Paren

RE: who writes the OCP tests?

2003-10-22 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Probably a Sybase DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L all oracle employees? Are any of you involved in the 9i PL/SQL test? I just took it today and passed it. I didnt study at all. Id like to state that it is an incr

question on comments -sanity check

2003-10-22 Thread Bob Metelsky
All The powers that be have it in their minds that there is a place for comments on each "column" in a table. afaik.. comments are only associated with tables not columns Eg Select * from user_tab_comments; People here seem to think they can "document" their columns by comments. Maybe I

Re: query's explain plan different in 8i and 9i?

2003-10-22 Thread Guang Mei
Thanks. It is working now after I made the change. Guang On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Richard Foote wrote: > I've just posted the answer to this question at the > comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup !! > > Here it is again. > > If you look closely at the execution plans, they're performing a BITMAP >

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Henry Poras
Pete, Thanks for the reference. I'm still a bit confused, however. If you can't just copy a datafile between OS's because of the differences in the file header formats, why can you copy datafiles between OS's when done as a transportable tablespace? Henry -Original Message- Pete Sharman

RE: Cache a table

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
I think you have mentioned that once or twice. :) Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 200

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread JApplewhite
Jose, In my experience - long ago - managing dates rarely involved Boolean logic, which is Two Valued Logic, True or False. Instead, they involved MVL (Multi-Valued Logic) with the most common return value being one of a bewildering assortment of INDETERMINATE variations, followed by frequent FA

RE: Shutdown takes 20+ minutes

2003-10-22 Thread Jared . Still
Uh-oh.  I'm sure Jeremiah is digging up some old posts for cut and paste to avoid typing. Here, I'll save him the trouble. = There are unknowns with every feature.  ABORT is a feature just as IMMEDIATE is.  In version 7, I encountered a bug with IMMEDIATE that requir

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Thomas Day
Java drivers seem to require US7ASCII. I'd love to leave it alone. "Goulet, Dick"

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Thomas Day
But I want to do it the other way round. No, there are no '?'s. The data is all US7ASCII. Yes, you're right, the import was done into a database with the wrong character set. I know about the export/import route but I believe that there is some utility that will do the conversion from WE8ISO8

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Quintin, Richard
You might try ALTER DATABASE CHARACTER SET internal_use us7ascii; Make sure you know what you're doing. See Metalink Doc Id 100751.996 On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 15:29, Goulet, Dick wrote: > Thomas, > > Well I can't help you on that score. I do remember a discussion on going from > US7ACSII

Re: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Arup Nanda
In addition to operations provided in Mladen's explanation, all partitioning operations such as exchange/split.. partition, etc. do not generate data related redo for segments marked nologging. HTH. Arup - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Goulet, Dick
Well, let me know when the shotgun goes off. I'll send the black lab out to find you!! *-) Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I found it. Trying to explain it tr

Oracle pricing ain't going down

2003-10-22 Thread Goulet, Dick
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=45368 Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://w

RE: Your new book

2003-10-22 Thread Niall Litchfield
Title: Message I also am not Cary .I have however read Cary's book from cover to cover (including spending rather too long on a romantic weekend in paris with my wife contemplating a 10046 trace parsing project :(). I Am rereading and intend to require my fellow DBAs and sysadmins to read

Re: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Stephane Faroult
Mladen Gogala wrote: > > Nope. It's the dates according to the format invented by Booleous > Caesar. Who was counting his days 'ab urbe condita' (753 BC), hence the 700 years shift. > On 10/22/2003 12:24:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Are you sure he didn't mean Julian dates? Somewhere

Re: questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
That's because nologging attribute only affects the "direct" operations, i.e. the the operations that prebuild blocks and add them below the flood watermark. That includes sqlloader with direct=y, inserts with /*+ append */ hint and CTAS. Normal SQL based operations are not affected. On 10/22

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Goulet, Dick
Yosi,       Missed that one, it makes sense now.  The only thing left is to know what date 728646 really means in the source system.   Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Yosi Greenfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 2

questions regarding nologging

2003-10-22 Thread Roger Xu
> Hi Gurus, > > I have a couple of questions regarding "nologging". > > 1) alter table tabname move tablespace tbsname nologging; > >How come this sql still generated same amount of redo logs equal to the size of > the table? > > 2) alter index idxname rebuild tablespace tbsname nologging;

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Jacques - Thanks very much for looking that up. Since I learned something new, I'll feel that the day was worthwhile, despite having to spend the day doing a lot of . . . well, you get the idea. Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednes

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Thomas Day
I found it. Trying to explain it tripped those last few synapses. Not sure if it should be shared since it can completely destroy your database. But when you're certain about your data, it's a lifesaver. Kids, don't try this at home - Alter database character set INTERNAL_USE new_character_s

RE: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Chaim . Katz
Raj, I'm not speaking from experience, but why don't you start the trace the same time you send the email. And maybe by limiting the size of the trace file you don't have to worry about turning the trace off. chaim "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@fatcity.com on 10/22/2003 03:44:34

Re: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Daniel Fink
Raj, Could you create a stored proc/function that  opens each of their trace files, writes a line, then releases the file? Daniel Fink "Jamadagni, Rajendra" wrote: Thanks KG, I think I wasn't very clear so here is version 1.1 ...BTW this is all in a Oracle Forms custom application that we (deve

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Paul Drake
Pete,   I remember trying to read an 8.1.7.3 database on w2k (ntfs) from a Suse Linux 7.1 install (dual boot). In theory, it was supposed to work.   In practice, it hanged the system.   Rachel, someday, I'll get LILO on that box to default into windows so that you don't have to catch it during boot

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Jared . Still
This may clear it up: select    to_char(sysdate,'j')    , to_char(to_date('06/05/2718','mm/dd/'),'j')    , to_char(to_date(2713944,'j'),'mm/dd/ bc')    , to_char(to_date(728464,'j'),'mm/dd/ bc') from dual; Jared "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
I just received "Effective Oracle by Design" and reading the foreword I noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, Anjo Kolk and Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly. Is Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff read it? I was wanderi

RE: who writes the OCP tests?

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
Not I, never even seen the questions to tell you the truth. I believe there's an email address you can raise exam issues with - [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might want to send this to them to see if they have more relevant feedback than I'd ever have on this exam. Pete "Controlling developers is like h

RE: Transportable tablespaces

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
Rachel is in fact correct. See page 4 of the Self Managing Database paper presented at OracleWorld (https://www.oracleworld2003.com/published/40090/40090.doc). Cloning from one OS to another simply doesn't work because the file header formats are different between the different OS's. You can't j

RE: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: 10046 trace question Thanks KG,   I think I wasn't very clear so here is version 1.1 ...   BTW this is all in a Oracle Forms custom application that we (developed and) use in-house 07:00am Johndoe logs in and his session automatically starts tracing 10046^8 through a login trigge

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Jared . Still
Actually, Oracle's implementation is a Julian date. The YYDDD format is most definitely not a Julian date, though many persist in calling it that. Oracle is using what is called a 'Modified Julian Date'.  A Julian date actually begins at Noon on -4712, which is 4713 BC. That ordinal vs. cardina

RE: Boolean dates...

2003-10-22 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
> -Original Message- > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > I think this is very perceptive - Julian vs. Boolean. I just > want to mention > that what Oracle calls a Julian date is the number of days > since Jan 1, 4712 > BC. As far as I know, that is exclusive to Oracle. Other > systems define > Julian

RE: Shutdown takes 20+ minutes

2003-10-22 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
I don't think using abort = corruption potential. If you have a cluster for high-availability, how can you afford to do a weekly bounce and cold backup (decidedly low-availability practices)? Why not leave it up and do online backups? If you absolutely must have a cold backup, then the [checkpoi

RE: Change Character sets

2003-10-22 Thread Goulet, Dick
Thomas, Well I can't help you on that score. I do remember a discussion on going from US7ACSII to WE8ISO8859P1. And if my memory servers me correctly that is a one way trip. I believe you may well have to re-export the data & rebuild the database. Is there a specific reason why you

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