RE: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
Our apps that use Oracle come with an Application license. By the terms of this license, we get to use that Oracle DB for that app and that app alone. The DB support comes from the app vendor and not Oracle. Not feeling particularly comfortable with this arrangement, we purchased separate Oracle licenses in order to get Silver support directly from Oracle, as I've yet to meet a vendor who had a grip on the DBs they sell with their product. Then again, these were network concurrent user licenses, which unfortunately no longer exist. Perhaps a low-end 5-user named license would work for you. HTH! GL! :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
Take their word - in a contract that specify that they are responsible in case Oracle ask for more money, and then check with Oracle. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:14 PM We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
Jay, I would call your local Oracle Sales office and run it by them. As my old boss used to say - ALWAYS cut the cards. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
Rule of thumb, NEVER trust the third party vendor to have it right. Call YOUR Oracle sales rep get his/her advice. We've had an application sold to us with Oracle licenses when the third party vendor was not licensed by Oracle to do so. Mind you as long as the contract between you and the third party vendor states that they are selling you a database license Oracle is nice about things. But still it can get sticky!!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our apps that use Oracle come with an Application license. By the terms of this license, we get to use that Oracle DB for that app and that app alone. The DB support comes from the app vendor and not Oracle. Not feeling particularly comfortable with this arrangement, we purchased separate Oracle licenses in order to get Silver support directly from Oracle, as I've yet to meet a vendor who had a grip on the DBs they sell with their product. Then again, these were network concurrent user licenses, which unfortunately no longer exist. Perhaps a low-end 5-user named license would work for you. HTH! GL! :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
you need to contact oracle sales to make certain. The obligation is on your company double check. i doubt what they are saying is true. please post what you find out. From: Jay Hostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/12/11 Thu AM 09:14:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 3rd Party Oracle Licenses
Jay, Keep in mind that these are usually runtime licenses. The license agreement probably stipulates that you can do no development on databases with a runtime license. This week I have a consultant in installing an app that runs on Oracle with a 3rd party license. Our finance dept bought the app without talking to us first, and got the workgroup version of the app. Oracle's runtime license with this vendor stipulates that they are not allowed to give their customers the sys password. You can only get around this temporarily by creating a new password file, but you have to put it back to run the app. The only way to circumvent it is to pay the vendor $3k for a rep to come out and install the 'enterprise' version. ie. on a database I created. So, make sure you know what their licensing restrictions are. Jared On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 06:14, Jay Hostetter wrote: We are purchasing a software package from a vendor. The vendor states that the package includes sufficient Oracle licenses. Since I'm supposed to keep on top of our licensing costs, I'm trying to make sure that there are no surprises down the road - such as additional Oracle support fees or Oracle claiming that we don't have this new box licensed, etc. How can the vendor prove that they are providing a license? When I asked them for some type of proof, they forward the OLSA to me, which is basically generic - it doesn't tell me if the license is SE, EE, SE One, perpertual, term, CPU, Named User, etc. Any thoughts or do I just take their word for it? Thanks, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
