18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice> > Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's> future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like tomake> three points:> - Pri
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> Viktor, Ryan - Is what you are experiencing the result of companies moving
> to open-systems Web-based architectures?
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> Dennis Wil
with software engineers and have only a small
number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs.
>
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS
> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> Ryan - Excellent point
development with software engineers and have only a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject
development with software engineers and have only a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject
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> DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
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> > Saira
> > I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need t
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> Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
> future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like to make
>
forever and its very hard to switch since people want experience in the
specific skillset before hiring you.
>
> From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
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> From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
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> DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
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>
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> Saira
> I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to
> decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you
> toward a goal is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself.
> However, with exper
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Viktor wrote:
> Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company
> reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split
> into development groups. Need to learn Perl(looking forward to it
> actually!!!) and Java. Books, web sites, docs
> The question is where do you want to go today?
Actually, the question is, "Where do you want to go tomorrow?"
Consult the crystal ball when it comes to career planning. Fixing VCR's
may match one's skill set but such service won't be needed much when
robots can stamp out new R/W DVD's for $10 a
;
> SF
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > learn java and object oriented programming. go to sun.com and start
> reading the java docs.
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> > go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.
> >
> > do a search on any job sites. a ton more work
mming. go to sun.com and startreading the java docs.> > go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.> > do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. peoplewho can do both are in demand.> >> > From: Mladen Gogala > > Date: 2003/12/17 Wed
the java docs.
>
> go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.
>
> do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
who can do both are in demand.
> >
> > From: Mladen Gogala > > Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
> > To: Multi
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>Perl: Since you're working with Oracle, if you were to buy only one book, yo
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Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, comp
es. a ton more work for java than oracle. people who can do both are in demand.> >> > From: Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
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> > Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting "Stand By your man"
> > just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of
Dennis,
As always, you offer excellent suggestions.
You have all given me many things to consider. Thank you for taking the
time to help me out!
It is, indeed, a suberb mailing list.
Saira
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Nope, IL=I&L=Information & Learning, which is the division of ProQuest that I work for.
I'm work in Ann Arbor, the place I'm refering to is in Belleville, which is between
Detroit and AA.
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Brad
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If you
need specifics for a home learning environment setting up Oracle 8.1.7.4 on a Gentoo
linux box at home is a great learning exersize
On 12/17/2003 03:44:34 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
> Well, good, now that we have that cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I do
> like your keen sense of humour and sarcasm - when I know you're joking
> and at times its hard to tell.
Dennis has a point. The question is where do you want to go to
Does "il" in your email address stand for "Illinois"? Is it
in the Chicago area? If it's Peoria, then I understand.
On 12/17/2003 03:39:26 PM, "Bobak, Mark" wrote:
> Ok, we're getting way OT now
>
> My local Little Caesars Pizza has the "Hot and Ready" deal going. One large w/
> pepperoni
Well, good, now that we have that cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I do
like your keen sense of humour and sarcasm - when I know you're joking
and at times its hard to tell.
I've hesitated to learn Perl - don't know why, but now I find I have to
know it to do my job better, esp when I'm working wit
Little Caesars. $5 CDN (Seriously).
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Mladen Gogala
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:29 PM
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, "Odland, Brad" wrote:
> "My career advice to you is: do whatever sells."
>
> Even if
Ok, we're getting way OT now
My local Little Caesars Pizza has the "Hot and Ready" deal going. One large w/
pepperoni for $5, carry-out only.
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to decide
how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you toward a goal
is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself. However, with
experience you learn the self-study tool has its limits. To consider
self-
Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, "Odland, Brad" wrote:
> "My career advice to you is: do whatever sells."
>
> Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, "Hot Large Pizza Now
> $5.00"
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"My career advice to you is: do whatever sells."
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, "Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00"
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That is an excellent guideline.
I find myself as somewhere in the middle of those two spectrums, a
little more towards the second one.
My personal belief is that languages can be learnt - like Java or any
other code - if you possess the skills. I can read and understand 4GL
code without ever bei
Have
fun!
Brad
O.
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Is it that difficult
though? Just to get familiar with it… if you’ve worke
There is no set formula now. But learning a fair amount of SQL, Oracle
Database and Unix Administration can do you no wrong.
IN my experience the companies or people that hire you because of
"big names" on your resume are NOT the ones you want to work for.
IT administration work has become more
>
> Or maybe you are trying to tell me to read between the lines...
I'm not. I was just kidding. I don't know any of this stuff (SAP, Siebel, Oracle Apps)
and I do make my living. Frankly, I don't like specialists, because they end up just
like
pandas: no bamboo shoots, and they starve. Black
, no?
Thanks,
Saira
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That right, packaged software like
SAP and PeopleSoftware should
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Your enthusiasm is admirable,
but I think that it would be extremely difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually
the door.
Thanks Jared.
Saira
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Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it
woul
Hi Allan,
Please call me Saira :)
All you are saying is true. I find that in my present role, I don't have
access to the applications source code so I have to look at the database
for performance tuning (which should be the case anyway to start).
On the other hand, I'm the only one at this job
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> Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting "Stand By your man"
> just right and the rest wi
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting
> "Stand By your man" just right and the rest will come. You have to
> learn both kinds of music, country and western. May Jake and Elwood
> be with you.
son, that there was
Wow... as talented and knowledgeable as you are, you are one really
bored DBA. You must work alone, or be self-employed.
Or maybe you are trying to tell me to read between the lines...
In any case, I won't get into a silly argument with you.
Thanks for your advice,
Saira
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Hi Somani,
This is, of course, just one opinion. YMMV. I would recommend that you
go deep enough on the Oracle server until you would be willing to take
the junior off your title. The reason for this recommendation is that
the server is an intricate piece of software that rewards study and
exper
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Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would
be extremely
difficult
for you to learn any of these packages without actually being
in
an environment where they are used.
It
may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level
as
SAP or
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting "Stand By your man"
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
> As an applications analyst/j
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would be extremely
difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually being
in an environment where they are used.
It may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level
as SAP or Oracle Apps, and if so, then maybe that ba
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