Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-24 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hyderabad. USS Enterprise will have to be renamed to USS Utar Pradesh, with captain Sanjay and Mr. Spock at the helm. I can definitely see a value there. 'sOK. But I swear the first time I see anyone

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread Robson, Peter
PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list

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2003-09-23 Thread Mladen Gogala
- From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to Chris Lawson's book, an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris Lawsons

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread Robson, Peter
: Re: Offshore protests My age is the answer to the question of life, universe and everything. Unfortunately, I'm no longer in my twenties. On 2003.09.23 05:13, Robson, Peter wrote: Dale Carnegie ? ! My - that dates you! (Unless it has recently been reprinted - after 50 years

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread Daniel Fink
I realize that it may be terrifying, but there is a great deal of value in becoming indistinguishable. How many accounting/hr/finance jobs are going overseas? None that I have heard of. There are a ton of managers I wish we could offshore (but only about 1 mile off shore...). Bear with me for a

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Message- From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to Chris Lawson's book, an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris

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2003-09-23 Thread Odland, Brad
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE

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2003-09-23 Thread Robson, Peter
Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests Peter If you feel the being an experienced Oracle DBA will continue to be as scarce a commodity as it was during

RE: Offshore protests + Idle events (to keep it On-track!)

2003-09-23 Thread John Kanagaraj
are entirely mine and do not reflect those of my employer or customers ** -Original Message- From: Daniel Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests I realize that it may be terrifying

RE: Offshore protests + Idle events (to keep it On-track!)

2003-09-23 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
If I install statspack, I always 'fix' the STATS$IDLE_EVENT table, and also change the varibale top_n_events to 10 (from 5) in spreport.sql. Statspack is a very generic tool. One must 'tune' it to reflect ones environment... :) - Kirti --- John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan,

RE: Offshore protests + Idle events (to keep it On-track!)

2003-09-23 Thread Stephane Paquette
Can you elaborate on fixing the STATS$IDLE_EVENT table. Thanks Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread Mladen Gogala
of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests I realize that it may be terrifying, but there is a great deal of value in becoming indistinguishable. How many accounting/hr/finance jobs are going overseas? None that I have heard of. There are a ton of managers I wish we could offshore

RE: Offshore protests + Idle events (to keep it On-track!)

2003-09-23 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
I remove from this table the events deemed not idle for the database and Application supported by it. SQL*Net message related events can be important in client/server type environments. HTH, - Kirti --- Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you elaborate on fixing the

RE: Offshore protests + Idle events (to keep it On-track!)

2003-09-23 Thread Stephane Paquette
thanks -Original Message- Kirtikumar Deshpande Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I remove from this table the events deemed not idle for the database and Application supported by it. SQL*Net message related events can be important in

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-23 Thread Daniel Fink
I can see it now. 2103 - Can you believe it! They just outsourced my job to a martian! 2203 - Can you believe it! They just outsourced my job to some guy from Alpha Centauri 2303 - Can you believe it! They just outsourced my job to a being from a parallel dimension! 2403 - Can you believe it!

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm sure that all heads on the Capitol Hill would turn when both members show up with banners, demanding better pay for starved database administrators. What do you think, should we mandate 9i OCP for joining the union? If we were in London, we

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
The labor unions would definitely be interested. Teamsters, Steel Workers, AFSME? Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:09 AM We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm sure that

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests The labor unions would definitely be interested. Teamsters, Steel Workers, AFSME? Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Orr, Steve
by fire. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KENNETH JANUSZ Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests The labor unions would

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KENNETH JANUSZ Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests The labor unions would definitely be interested. Teamsters, Steel Workers, AFSME? Ken Janusz, CPIM

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore protests But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Definitely steel workers. We are being

Re: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread rgaffuri
ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Offshore protests But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... Or make an offer they can't refuse. ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Definitely steel

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Weaver, Walt
now. Unions suck, IMHO. Worst career move I ever made was joining a union. --Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: Offshore protests dba union

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2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: Offshore protests dba union could be considered a trust. doctors tried doing it and because they are 'independent businesses' its not a union its a trust. they did it to fight high mal-practice suits. From: Orr, Steve

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2003-09-22 Thread Joe Testa
, September 22, 2003 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: Offshore protests dba union could be considered a trust. doctors tried doing it and because they are 'independent businesses' its not a union its a trust. they did it to fight high mal-practice suits

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Offshore protests Have any DBA's ever been sued for malpractice? I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll be going back to work any day now. Then I can

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Thater, William
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: A trust? That is only marginally better then the axis of evil. Do we risk getting bombed if we establish a trust? maybe, but remember some of us can bomb back.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA I'm going to work my ticket if I

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Brian Dunbar
Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, September 22, 2003 12:35 PM said; I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll be going back to work any day now. Then I can quit this temporary IT

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Joe Testa
, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Offshore protests Have any DBA's ever been sued for malpractice? I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Kip . Bryant
: Re: RE: Offshore protests | | | dba union could be considered a trust. doctors tried doing it | and because they are 'independent businesses' its not a union | its a trust. they did it to fight high mal-practice suits. | | | | From: Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Date: 2003/09/22 Mon PM 12:34:40

Re: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Ed Lewis
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Offshore protests Have any DBA's ever been sued for malpractice? I used to belong to a union. One day the union told us to go on strike, and we did. 22 years later, we're still on strike. I'm sure we'll be going back to work any day now

RE: RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Cunningham, Gerald
. Unions suck, IMHO. Worst career move I ever made was joining a union. --Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: Offshore protests dba union could

RE: Offshore protests

2003-09-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore protests under the goalpost right? joe Mladen Gogala wrote: Jimmy Hoffa would probably agree with you, once they pull him out from beneath Meadowlands. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL