RE: Re: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
Ryan, 'can be faster' is rarely inaccurate. It all depends. SF - --- Original Message --- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:49:33 the only book out there that is any good is High Performance Tuning

Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread ryan_oracle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently Ranganath Since you mentioned proactive and reactive query tuning, I think the philosophy with which one approaches the tuning exercise means everything. Wrong philosophy and you spend your time spinning

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
start with beginning material and work their way up. Starting with advanced material will just confuse them. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/29 Wed AM 10:49:25 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template

Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Jared . Still
PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently the original poster sent me an email stating that he doesnt want a book or documentation, he just wants some sort of short cut template. i replied that if one exists its garbage. He didnt

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread ryan_oracle
PM 12:59:34 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently Ryan - Thanks for updating us on the status with the user. As to what we recommend to novice users, as a practical matter, unless the poster

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
The biggest problem I have with Cary's (and Jeff's!) book is patience. There's constant mention of which I'll show you in Chapter 6 and so forth and it pains me to keep on reading from where I am so's I don't get too distracted and forget the important concepts I was just reading. :) I also have

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
As an author, let me just add that it pains US to have to say which I'll show you in ... Books are laid out in some sort of order although readers don't always read from chapter 1 straight through to the end. If we were to go off on every tangent so as not to say see such and thus later, a

Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread ryan_oracle
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently Neither Tom Kyte's nor Cary Millsap's books are too advanced for beginners. In the case of Tom's book, they may have to ponder things a bit, and actually

Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Jared . Still
/10/29 Wed PM 01:14:37 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently Neither Tom Kyte's nor Cary Millsap's books are too advanced for beginners. In the case of Tom's book, they may have to ponder

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Cary Millsap
The structure we chose for this thing was that we wanted a marginally technical decision-maker to be able to read Parts I and III without giving up. Therefore, any time there was an opportunity for a technical tangent, the rule was explain it (later) in the reference section. I figured Part II

Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread ryan_oracle
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently They really dont know anything and it REALLY is that hard for them. Hence the lies on their resumes. ;) OK, enought cynicism. For now. Maybe it is hard. I guess I just don't agree

RE: RE: SQL and PL/SQL tuning template document required urgently

2003-10-29 Thread Walt Weaver
I tried reading a Harry Potter book backwards once. It was fun, and actually made a bit of sense. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 12:19, Rachel Carmichael wrote: As an author, let me just add that it pains US to have to say which I'll show you in ... Books are