Well said Mogens, I have been following your thread.
I have worked with Rdb for several years it is an excellent product and thank GOD that they did not allove MS or CA or for that matter IBM to buy it. It would have been shot down to non-existence several years back.
Murali
Mogens_Nørgaard
Oh yes, even Lego complained about the price increase of support,
upgrade rights and software. It was very steep. But they all accepted
that the real price of their software had been covered up by Digital
selling other things like hardware... Oracle just sells software. Still
it was a problem
Yeah, why did they do the right thing here, but not in other places?
Very good question. Oracle has bought many, many companies and products
over the years...
One splendid thought I just had: Because it never became something to
handle high up in the organisation, hence it never became a
Thursday, November 27, 2003, 6:54:33 PM, Mogens Nørgaard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
MN PS: And that #¤#/ enormous hit rate on Metalink searches has GOT to
MN have a good explanation. It's been there for five or six years at least.
MN I've BCC'ed David Ruthven, who helped invent the WebIV stuff.
Mogens Nørgaard scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
That's how I came to deliver the first-ever course at Lego in their HQ
in Denmark (in a town called Billund, but certainly not named after
The Bill).
yes i'm sure it's not named after me... oh you meant the other bill.;-)
Oracle has
Brilliant, as always. Well deserved award, IMHO. No Academy(R) nomination
on the way just yet, though. ;)
BTW, the largest RDB customers seems like they've had a different experience
than the littler ones. When Oracle bought RDB, they came to our parent
company with a huge increase in the
I heard that Lego is one a big user of RDB. Don't know if it's true.
Patrice.
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I believe it *is* still sold; it is certainly still supported. As to why
you would buy it, I don't know
And then Tanel wrote:
TP BTW, you can do this in 9i as well...
Really? I think when you get down to it, there are some
prerequisites to worry about. I just tried the following:
C:\Documents and Settings\Jonathansqlplus /nolog
SQL*Plus: Release 10.1.0.0.0 - Beta on Mon Nov 24 21:07:30 2003
Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 7:04:25 AM, Boivin, Patrice J ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
BPJ I heard that Lego is one a big user of RDB. Don't know if it's true.
As in Lego blocks? Cool.
Heh, I just spent the better part of my Sunday afternoon
buying compartmentized boxes and helping my son sort
Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 8:04:25 AM, Tanel Poder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
TP Ok, it's not as simple as with RDB... You still need to start the instance.
You'd need to create a control file first, wouldn't you? Or
would all that default as well. Hmmm I should probably
try it some time. I
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Same opinion here, my company is in the process of migrating our software to
run on Oracle 9iR2. Currently, we have over 325 production sites that have
RDB databases running. RDB is a single schema database so each customer
site has multiple databases running. Very easy to
Jonathan Gennick scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 7:04:25 AM, Boivin, Patrice J
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I heard that Lego is one a big user of RDB. Don't know if it's true.
As in Lego blocks? Cool.
AFAIK, it's THE largest user of RDB. but that was
I've said it before and I'll say it again...coding for RDB was a dream.
Instead of having to rely on a preparser, there was a separate compiler
that tokenized your SQL code into a object module to be linked with your
program(s). Aside from making program maintenance potentially easier, it
also
Where's our Award-Winning Educator and former Lego DBA, Mogens? If there is
one dream job for me, it would be an Oracle DBA at Lego.
And I was upset to find that someone took my legoman username from my ISP
at home. :(
Rich
Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 10:04:39 AM, Jesse, Rich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
JR Instead of having to rely on a preparser, there was a separate compiler
JR that tokenized your SQL code into a object module to be linked with your
JR program(s).
Yeah, the module compiler was cool. I once wrote a
As the AWE (Award-Winning Educator) of the year, I have a huge
responsibility placed on my shoulders: I have to answer questions
regarding Rdb truthfully.
So here we go...
Back in the year 1994, Digital very discreetly asked their three biggest
customers (including Lego) what they thought of
I see it referred to on metalink alot. I know its seperate from the rdbms.
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RDB was bought from Digital Corporation many years ago. Supposedly a lot of the CBO
was lifted from it.
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I see it referred to on metalink alot. I know its seperate from
It's another RDBMS... only runs on OpenVMS VAX and Aplha. Used to be owned
by DEC and sold to Oracle a few years back (quite a few years now). Has
many features in common with Oracle Server some of which originally came
from Oracle Rdb and were implemented later on in Oracle Server.
Ken.
Rdb was Digital's database that was coupled with the VMS operating system in
v5 and beyond. It was bought by Oracle in the late nineties because they
wanted a foray into the secure database environment, and Rdb had it all sewn
up, so rather than develop it, they bought it outright. They have
does oracle still sell it? why would you buy it over the rdbms?
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RDB was bought from Digital Corporation many years ago. Supposedly a lot
of the CBO was lifted from it.
RDB is rdbms (just another rdbms supported by Oracle corp.)
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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does oracle still sell it? why would you buy it over the rdbms?
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Yes Oracle still sells it.
Yes they still develop it - new versions released regularly with new features.
It's integrated with VMS, had clustering for many years, support for Galaxy, existing
applications etc
See http://www.oracle.com/rdb/ http://www.jcc.com/ and more
Bruce
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I believe it *is* still sold; it is certainly still supported. As to why
you would buy it, I don't know why anyone would have bought it when Digital
was at its prime. I've never liked it. But, it is secure. As of 1993, it
was rated B1, when no other database was higher than C2 (they were bound
It's still on the price list. Download the latest price list from Oracle
and search for rdb - it's on page 4 out of 9. $40K per cpu - just like
Oracle EE.
Trusted Oracle, to my knowledge, had nothing to do with Rdb. Lots of
useful stuff came into the Oracle code from the Digital guys.
Bellow,
Monday, November 24, 2003, 3:49:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
rcn I see it referred to on metalink alot. I know its seperate from the rdbms.
Rdb was the database I cut my teeth on. So easy to use. As I
recall, you could create a database with just the following:
CREATE
Hi!
Rdb was the database I cut my teeth on. So easy to use. As I
recall, you could create a database with just the following:
CREATE DATABASE;
Everything, including the database name, would default. It
was great, especially for learning on.
BTW, you can do this in 9i as well...
Tanel.
up, so rather than develop it, they bought it outright. They have been
telling Digital/Compaq/HP's clients that they were not going to desupport
it
for years, and lots of folks didn't believe them, but, they've lived up to
their words, and even did some development on Rdb (taking it from v5
I wrote:
Rdb was the database I cut my teeth on. So easy to use. As I
recall, you could create a database with just the following:
CREATE DATABASE;
Everything, including the database name, would default. It
was great, especially for learning on.
And then Tanel wrote:
TP BTW, you can do
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