a small
number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs.
From: DENNIS WILLIAMS
Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST
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Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
future
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Viktor, Ryan - Is what you are experiencing the result of companies moving
to open-systems Web-based architectures?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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t ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like tomake three points: - Pricing is one of the quickest things a vendor can change once it becomes convinced this
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go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.
do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
who can do both are in demand.
From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
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The question is where do you want to go today?
Actually, the question is, Where do you want to go tomorrow?
Consult the crystal ball when it comes to career planning. Fixing VCR's
may match one's skill set but such service won't be needed much when
robots can stamp out new R/W DVD's for $10 a
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Viktor wrote:
Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company
reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split
into development groups. Need to learn Perl(looking forward to it
actually!!!) and Java. Books, web sites, docs -
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to
decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you
toward a goal is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself.
However, with
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Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal
to switch since people want experience in the
specific skillset before hiring you.
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall
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Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like to make
three points:
- Pricing is one of the quickest
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to
decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you
toward a goal
ly a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the
have only a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would be extremely
difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually being
in an environment where they are used.
It may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level
as SAP or Oracle Apps, and if so, then maybe that
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
As an applications
Subject: Re: Career Advice
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would
be extremely
difficult
for you to learn any of these packages without actually being
in
an environment where they are used.
It
may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level
as
SAP or Oracle Apps
Hi Somani,
This is, of course, just one opinion. YMMV. I would recommend that you
go deep enough on the Oracle server until you would be willing to take
the junior off your title. The reason for this recommendation is that
the server is an intricate piece of software that rewards study and
Wow... as talented and knowledgeable as you are, you are one really
bored DBA. You must work alone, or be self-employed.
Or maybe you are trying to tell me to read between the lines...
In any case, I won't get into a silly argument with you.
Thanks for your advice,
Saira
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Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting
Stand By your man just right and the rest will come. You have to
learn both kinds of music, country and western. May Jake and Elwood
be with you.
son, that there was
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Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
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Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
Hi Allan,
Please call me Saira :)
All you are saying is true. I find that in my present role, I don't have
access to the applications source code so I have to look at the database
for performance tuning (which should be the case anyway to start).
On the other hand, I'm the only one at this job
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Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it
would be extremely
difficult for you
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Your enthusiasm is admirable,
but I think that it would be extremely difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually
, no?
Thanks,
Saira
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That right, packaged software like
SAP and PeopleSoftware should
Or maybe you are trying to tell me to read between the lines...
I'm not. I was just kidding. I don't know any of this stuff (SAP, Siebel, Oracle Apps)
and I do make my living. Frankly, I don't like specialists, because they end up just
like
pandas: no bamboo shoots, and they starve. Black
There is no set formula now. But learning a fair amount of SQL, Oracle
Database and Unix Administration can do you no wrong.
IN my experience the companies or people that hire you because of
big names on your resume are NOT the ones you want to work for.
IT administration work has become more
Message-From: Saira Somani-Mendelin
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Is it that difficult
though? Just to get familiar with it if youve worked with other similar
software
That is an excellent guideline.
I find myself as somewhere in the middle of those two spectrums, a
little more towards the second one.
My personal belief is that languages can be learnt - like Java or any
other code - if you possess the skills. I can read and understand 4GL
code without ever
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00
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Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to decide
how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you toward a goal
is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself. However, with
experience you learn the self-study tool has its limits. To consider
Ok, we're getting way OT now
My local Little Caesars Pizza has the Hot and Ready deal going. One large w/
pepperoni for $5, carry-out only.
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On
Little Caesars. $5 CDN (Seriously).
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Mladen Gogala
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:29 PM
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is
Well, good, now that we have that cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I do
like your keen sense of humour and sarcasm - when I know you're joking
and at times its hard to tell.
I've hesitated to learn Perl - don't know why, but now I find I have to
know it to do my job better, esp when I'm working
Does il in your email address stand for Illinois? Is it
in the Chicago area? If it's Peoria, then I understand.
On 12/17/2003 03:39:26 PM, Bobak, Mark wrote:
Ok, we're getting way OT now
My local Little Caesars Pizza has the Hot and Ready deal going. One large w/
pepperoni for $5,
On 12/17/2003 03:44:34 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
Well, good, now that we have that cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I do
like your keen sense of humour and sarcasm - when I know you're joking
and at times its hard to tell.
Dennis has a point. The question is where do you want to go
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Brad
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:14 PM
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If you
need specifics for a home learning environment setting up Oracle 8.1.7.4 on a Gentoo
linux box at home is a great learning exersize
Nope, IL=IL=Information Learning, which is the division of ProQuest that I work for.
I'm work in Ann Arbor, the place I'm refering to is in Belleville, which is between
Detroit and AA.
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Dennis,
As always, you offer excellent suggestions.
You have all given me many things to consider. Thank you for taking the
time to help me out!
It is, indeed, a suberb mailing list.
Saira
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DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:40 PM
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Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote
an do both are in demand. From: Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><B!
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Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split
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Perl: Since you're working with Oracle, if you were to buy only one book, you might
consider:
http
.
do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
who can do both are in demand.
From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
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Have you ever considered a career in country music
ok. do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. peoplewho can do both are in demand. From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Career Advice Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try
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