Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Oracle thinks the combined readership of Oracle Magazine and Profit 
Magazine is about 1 million. Sounds plausible to me.

Of those 1 million, about 10 will see the ugly pictures of me in the 
November issue. Two of them will remember it. The other one will be my 
financee Anette, who also works in Miracle. But only because she can use 
it for business purposes, I think.

Tim Gorman wrote:

I think that it is Oracle Magazine that is actually awarding this, isn't it?
That provides a clue to the source and methods...
Does anyone pay for a subscription to Oracle Magazine?  Probably not -- the
price of subscription is generally to fill out a real or virtual
subscription card, on which Job Title is queried.  From that, they
probably get their number of a quarter-million DBAs worldwide.  Just my
guess.  Either that, or they do what I do and just pull the numbers out of
my...er...thin air...
I believe that Arup was awarded this honor and distinction for activities
that have come to the attention of Oracle Magazine, namely articles written
and published, work performed for Open World, IOUG-A, and SELECT magazine,
local Oracle Users Groups, and (possibly?) exposure on this list from the
excellent advice and explanations he's provided...
...and possibly from review of TARs opened, processed, and closed...  :-)

Of course it seems unlikely that #1 DBA can be chosen by any scientific
method, but however they did it I think they made an excellent choice
regardless!  I've always appreciated Arup's contributions to this list and
had the pleasure of seeing his presentation at NYOUG last December.
---

And congratulations to Mogens for being named Educator of the Year!  The
leader of the junta which runs the Oak Table Forum has probably forgotten
(or drowned?) more information than the rest of us have ever learned, but
he's quite generous with the information he has resident.  I've always
learned something whenever he says anything!  In fact, just recently he
related the method of milking a nanny goat who has mastitis (yes, carefully
and gently for starters, watch the horns...)  :-)


on 8/28/03 2:34 PM, Pete Sharman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

And did you really think we DON'T monitor tars raised???  :)

Pete

Controlling developers is like herding cats.
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.


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Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
What criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million
DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.
John

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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.
Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year Oracle has
chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA of the
Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has
mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).
Thanks.

Best Regards,
Prasad
   

 

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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Well, the title is You PROBABLY don't need RAC, and I did actually 
(but just for fun to see his reaction) propose to Cary that I would do a 
You Probably Don't Need Oracle presentation at the Hotsos Symposium. 
He didn't reply to that. So instead I'll do You probably don't need a 
goat.

The reason - according to Jeff Spicer, the editor of Oracle Magazine - 
that I got an award was because of some stuff we've been doing here in 
Denmark together with Oracle Denmark. They include Specials and the DBA 
Nightschool.

We call them Specials, but they're nothing else than targeted, special 
days where a certain topic (usually narrow, eg Partitioning, MVs, etc.) 
are covered by guys who both know the stuff theoretically and from real 
work. Many moons ago Oracle's own Lex de Haan started up something 
called Technical Seminars whereby I and others would travel the world 
and teach specialised topics for a day or two. I just copied Lex' ideas 
from back then and teamed up with Oracle Denmark's Education Director 
Henrik Wegge. It doesn't take away business from the normal classes, 
since this is for experienced participants, and it's a good way of 
keeping in touch with the experienced folks out there.

The DBA Nightschool is something we did back in the Premium Services 
days in Oracle: DBAs will meet every Tuesday from 1700 to 2000 and go 
through a number of advanced topics and get to mix with other DBAs over 
the quick dinner or during the short breaks. We've taken it up again 
this year, and the topics include 8.1.7 New Features (there were certain 
things in 8.1.7 that were never covered in the 8i or 9i New Features 
classes because of timings), 10046, 10053, Throw-Away of rows, 10104, 
maybe some 10g stuff :).

It was the guys at the Danish Oracle User Group (OUGDK) board that set 
me up for this award thing, and I'm very grateful for that, by the way. 
I got the call from Jeff Spicer during dinner at the DBA Nightschool, so 
it was kind of cool.

I've always teased Cary with the fact that anything in America is 
award-winning these days. Well, suddenly I see it in a completely 
different light! Or maybe not.

Mogens



Tanel Poder wrote:

RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)
 

hmmm... award to Mogens maybe for writing 'You Don't Need RAC' paper
I think his next paper will 'You don't need Grid Computing'  ... g
   

I certainly hope it won't be You don't need Oracle or something similar ;)

Tanel.

 

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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
And Tom Kyte is Author of the Year, by the way. Man, I feel honored and 
humble at being in company with Arup and Tom on this stuff. At least 
they do real work. All directors do is talk to other directors on the 
mobile or have lunch with other directors.

Niall Litchfield wrote:

Congratulations indeed Arup. Well deserved. 
I believe that Mogens is also named Educator of the Year. 

Niall

 

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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup 
Nanda(our List member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year 
Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup 
Nanda, as the DBA of the Year, out of some quarter million 
DBAs worldwide. There will be a felicitation ceremony at 
OracleWorld and the award recipients will be featured in 
Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to 
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he 
has mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of 
Proligence (http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Prasad


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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mladen Gogala
On 2003.09.07 04:19, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
Oracle thinks the combined readership of Oracle Magazine and Profit Magazine  
is about 1 million. Sounds plausible to me.

Of those 1 million, about 10 will see the ugly pictures of me in the  
November issue. Two of them will remember it. The other one will be my  
financee Anette, who also works in Miracle. But only because she can use it  
for business purposes, I think.
Mogens, we will never forget your picture, how could we? The fact
that Oracle Magazine is going to publish your picture proves beyond
reasonable doubt that the magazine is fair and balanced, just like
the Fox News. Just a private question: can you enjoy Mr. Bill O'Reilly
in Danemark? Bill O'Reilly is not to be confused with Tim O'Reilly, the
publisher of Cary's book, among other things.
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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Nope, no Bill O'Reilly isn't available here. What is it and how can I 
learn more about him?

As for the pictures, you won't believe how fat I look. In other words, 
it was a good photographer who managed to capture me as I am. Here in 
this country we consider anyone weighing less than 100 kilos feminine. 
If you're not a member of Club 100, you're not a real man, in other words.

For Cary's information, 100 Kilograms is about 4TB Pounds rounded to the 
nearest SquareGallon.

Mladen Gogala wrote:

On 2003.09.07 04:19, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:

Oracle thinks the combined readership of Oracle Magazine and Profit 
Magazine  is about 1 million. Sounds plausible to me.

Of those 1 million, about 10 will see the ugly pictures of me in the  
November issue. Two of them will remember it. The other one will be 
my  financee Anette, who also works in Miracle. But only because she 
can use it  for business purposes, I think.


Mogens, we will never forget your picture, how could we? The fact
that Oracle Magazine is going to publish your picture proves beyond
reasonable doubt that the magazine is fair and balanced, just like
the Fox News. Just a private question: can you enjoy Mr. Bill O'Reilly
in Danemark? Bill O'Reilly is not to be confused with Tim O'Reilly, the
publisher of Cary's book, among other things.
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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-09-07 Thread Mladen Gogala
On 2003.09.07 05:04, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
Nope, no Bill O'Reilly isn't available here. What is it and how can I learn  
more about him?
I would enjoy providing a detailed response but I doubt that Jared would
tolerate such an excursion into political pamphlets. I'll send you a private
response tomorrow afternoon (EST). And remember, the spin stops here.
To make a long story short, Bill O'Reilly is a political commentator
from the Fox New, which are, of course, fair and balanced, with the strong
inclinations toward far right. He was organizing boycott of the Dixie Chicks
for speaking against Bush. In other words, Bill O'Reilly is a diluted version
of Joe McCarthy in the 21st century. Fox News can be compared with the Spanish  
Inquisition. As a matter of fact, I did see somewhere the term e-nquisition  
being used to describe Fox News.

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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Prem Khanna J
Let me also join the list in congratulating one of the Oracle Gurus whom i admire.

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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Tanel Poder
RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)
 hmmm... award to Mogens maybe for writing 'You Don't Need RAC' paper
 I think his next paper will 'You don't need Grid Computing'  ... g

I certainly hope it won't be You don't need Oracle or something similar ;)

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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Anderson, Brian

 related the method of milking a nanny goat who has mastitis 
 (yes, carefully
 and gently for starters, watch the horns...)  :-)

Is this going to be a session at Hotsos or OracleWorld? ;)
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
So, this begs the question (still the newbie here), how many DBAs would
you say there were?

Oh, and when can you say, I'm a DBA?

v/r

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:54 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 
 
 
 I think that it is Oracle Magazine that is actually awarding 
 this, isn't it? That provides a clue to the source and methods...
 
 Does anyone pay for a subscription to Oracle Magazine?  
 Probably not -- the price of subscription is generally to 
 fill out a real or virtual subscription card, on which Job 
 Title is queried.  From that, they probably get their number 
 of a quarter-million DBAs worldwide.  Just my guess.  
 Either that, or they do what I do and just pull the numbers 
 out of my...er...thin air...
 
 I believe that Arup was awarded this honor and distinction 
 for activities that have come to the attention of Oracle 
 Magazine, namely articles written and published, work 
 performed for Open World, IOUG-A, and SELECT magazine, local 
 Oracle Users Groups, and (possibly?) exposure on this list 
 from the excellent advice and explanations he's provided...
 
 ...and possibly from review of TARs opened, processed, and 
 closed...  :-)
 
 Of course it seems unlikely that #1 DBA can be chosen by 
 any scientific method, but however they did it I think they 
 made an excellent choice regardless!  I've always appreciated 
 Arup's contributions to this list and had the pleasure of 
 seeing his presentation at NYOUG last December.
 
 ---
 
 And congratulations to Mogens for being named Educator of 
 the Year!  The leader of the junta which runs the Oak Table 
 Forum has probably forgotten (or drowned?) more information 
 than the rest of us have ever learned, but he's quite 
 generous with the information he has resident.  I've always 
 learned something whenever he says anything!  In fact, just 
 recently he related the method of milking a nanny goat who 
 has mastitis (yes, carefully and gently for starters, watch 
 the horns...)  :-)
 
 
 
 on 8/28/03 2:34 PM, Pete Sharman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And did you really think we DON'T monitor tars raised???  :)
  
  
  Pete
  
  Controlling developers is like herding cats.
  Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
  
  Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
  Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Hallas, John, Tech Dev
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:00 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year 
 actually  mean. 
  What criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a 
  million DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.
  
  John
  
  
  -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 28 August 2003 15:54
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  
  Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup 
  Nanda(our List member) as DBA of the Year.
  
  Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.
  
  CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year 
 Oracle has 
  chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the 
 DBA of the 
  Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a 
  felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award 
 recipients will be 
  featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you 
 would like 
  to know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has 
  mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence 
  (http://www.proligence.com/).
  
  Thanks.
  
  Best Regards,
  Prasad
  
  
 
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Stephen

   To copy from Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm Dennis and I'm a DBA.

   I've been promoting an idea of a Guild of Oracle DBAs. Nobody would be
allowed to call themselves an Oracle DBA without our permission. An
organization where the Sargent of Arms is more than a ceremonial post.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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So, this begs the question (still the newbie here), how many DBAs would
you say there were?

Oh, and when can you say, I'm a DBA?

v/r

Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
Data Services Manager
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 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:54 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 
 
 
 I think that it is Oracle Magazine that is actually awarding 
 this, isn't it? That provides a clue to the source and methods...
 
 Does anyone pay for a subscription to Oracle Magazine?  
 Probably not -- the price of subscription is generally to 
 fill out a real or virtual subscription card, on which Job 
 Title is queried.  From that, they probably get their number 
 of a quarter-million DBAs worldwide.  Just my guess.  
 Either that, or they do what I do and just pull the numbers 
 out of my...er...thin air...
 
 I believe that Arup was awarded this honor and distinction 
 for activities that have come to the attention of Oracle 
 Magazine, namely articles written and published, work 
 performed for Open World, IOUG-A, and SELECT magazine, local 
 Oracle Users Groups, and (possibly?) exposure on this list 
 from the excellent advice and explanations he's provided...
 
 ...and possibly from review of TARs opened, processed, and 
 closed...  :-)
 
 Of course it seems unlikely that #1 DBA can be chosen by 
 any scientific method, but however they did it I think they 
 made an excellent choice regardless!  I've always appreciated 
 Arup's contributions to this list and had the pleasure of 
 seeing his presentation at NYOUG last December.
 
 ---
 
 And congratulations to Mogens for being named Educator of 
 the Year!  The leader of the junta which runs the Oak Table 
 Forum has probably forgotten (or drowned?) more information 
 than the rest of us have ever learned, but he's quite 
 generous with the information he has resident.  I've always 
 learned something whenever he says anything!  In fact, just 
 recently he related the method of milking a nanny goat who 
 has mastitis (yes, carefully and gently for starters, watch 
 the horns...)  :-)
 
 
 
 on 8/28/03 2:34 PM, Pete Sharman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And did you really think we DON'T monitor tars raised???  :)
  
  
  Pete
  
  Controlling developers is like herding cats.
  Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
  
  Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
  Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Hallas, John, Tech Dev
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:00 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year 
 actually  mean. 
  What criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a 
  million DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.
  
  John
  
  
  -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 28 August 2003 15:54
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  
  Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup 
  Nanda(our List member) as DBA of the Year.
  
  Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.
  
  CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year 
 Oracle has 
  chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the 
 DBA of the 
  Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a 
  felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award 
 recipients will be 
  featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you 
 would like 
  to know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has 
  mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence 
  (http://www.proligence.com/).
  
  Thanks.
  
  Best Regards,
  Prasad
  
  
 
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Thater, William
DENNIS WILLIAMS  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 Stephen
 
To copy from Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm Dennis and I'm a DBA.
 
I've been promoting an idea of a Guild of Oracle DBAs. Nobody
 would be allowed to call themselves an Oracle DBA without our
 permission. An organization where the Sargent of Arms is more than a
 ceremonial post. 

i do believe the term is Sergeant at Arms, and i can do that.;-)  with or
without equipment.;-)  but then again i don't know if the Guild would admit
me.;-)

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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Bill - Oh yeah, you'd be a founding member for sure. A history of
participation on this list would surely be all the necessary qualification.

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 Stephen
 
To copy from Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm Dennis and I'm a DBA.
 
I've been promoting an idea of a Guild of Oracle DBAs. Nobody
 would be allowed to call themselves an Oracle DBA without our
 permission. An organization where the Sargent of Arms is more than a
 ceremonial post. 

i do believe the term is Sergeant at Arms, and i can do that.;-)  with or
without equipment.;-)  but then again i don't know if the Guild would admit
me.;-)

--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA  BAARF Party member #25
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Thater, William
DENNIS WILLIAMS  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 Bill - Oh yeah, you'd be a founding member for sure. A history of
 participation on this list would surely be all the necessary
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OK so when do we start?;-)

kidding aside, this does sound like a good idea.  an independent group of
professionals.

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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Bob Metelsky
alification.
 
 OK so when do we start?;-)
 
 kidding aside, this does sound like a good idea.  an 
 independent group of professionals.
 
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An independent array or redundant professionals
;-)

Sorry I couldn't resist
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 





JBOD - Just A Bunch Of DBAs.


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alification.
 
 OK so when do we start?;-)
 
 kidding aside, this does sound like a good idea. an 
 independent group of professionals.
 
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread PSherman

Then suggested names should closely
follow:

Guild of Oracle Professionals (GOP,
or GOOP, depending on how you feel about it)
Current Organization for the Working
Finestkind Learned Oracle Professionals (COWFLOP; esp. big in Maine and
Montana)
Institute for the National Advancement
of the Guild of Oracle Database Analysts and Database Administrators Virtually
Interfaced with Database Academicians (INAGODADAVIDA)  
 (hey, and I'm proud of that one)


Ah, Friday, and a three-day weekend...,

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Bacou-Dalloz
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

 Bill - Oh yeah, you'd be a founding member for sure. A history of
 participation on this list would surely be all the necessary
 qualification. 

OK so when do we start?;-)

kidding aside, this does sound like a good idea. an independent group
of
professionals.

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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Mladen Gogala
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I was 
trying to come up with a sensible explanation for DAMBLA (DBA version of NAMBLA) 
but I couldn't. Can 
someone help me out here?


--Mladen GogalaOracle DBA 

  
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  Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)Then suggested names should closely follow: 
  Guild of Oracle Professionals (GOP, or 
  GOOP, depending on how you feel about it) Current Organization for the Working Finestkind Learned Oracle 
  Professionals (COWFLOP; esp. big in Maine and Montana) Institute for the National Advancement of the Guild of 
  Oracle Database Analysts and Database Administrators Virtually 
  Interfaced with Database Academicians (INAGODADAVIDA)   
   (hey, and I'm proud of that one) Ah, Friday, and a three-day weekend...,Paul R. 
  ShermanDBA/Sr. Appl. AnalystBacou-Dallozoffice - 401-232-1200 
  x200cell  - 401-935-2802
  


  
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread Jared . Still

IT is time to take this thread to the OT list.







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I was trying to come up with a sensible explanation for DAMBLA (DBA version of NAMBLA) but I couldn't. Can 
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
kidding aside, this does sound like a good idea.  an independent group of
professionals.

And if you are looking for an independent group of 'Oracle' professionals,
you always have the IOUG. Granted, we have our share of Developers (!) but
then all good DBAs probably were Developers at some point of time (potty
training themselves).

In spite of all negative comments about association to Oracle, IOUG is still
a force to be reckoned with and Oracle does listen and participate. And a
large number of Oracle-L members do also hold (and have held) voluntary
positions within IOUG, and serve the Oracle community in general. (Arup is
one of them btw and so are Jared, Stephen K, Ari Kaplan, Tony Jambu, self,
etc). Some of the best papers at IOUG (and the University faculty as well)
are from Oracle-L listers. And anyone can belong to IOUG for a yearly sum of
$125 or 10 members of an organization for $595.

John Kanagaraj
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 





Congratulations Arup !!


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.


Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.


CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year
Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
CTOUG, so watch for it. Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).


Thanks.


Best Regards,
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Hallas, John, Tech Dev
Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
What criteria was used.
How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.

John


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year
Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread AK
Congrates Arup !!! You doing a great job .

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 Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
 List member) as DBA of the Year.

 Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

 CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year
 Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
 of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
 felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
 featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
 know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
 CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
 (http://www.proligence.com/).

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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Binley Lim
 Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
 of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a

Not taking anything from Arup, but .out of some quarter million DBAs
worldwide??? Are you trying to be Comical Ali, the second?

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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Oh no! Somebody's jealous.
My guess is CTOUG is the Connecticut Oracle Users's Group. You probably
weren't in the running, if your email address indicates you aren't a member.
John, we're all very appreciative of you as well.

Dennis Williams
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Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
What criteria was used.
How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million DBA's unless it monitors
tars raised.

John


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year
Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Oops, looks like the egg is on my face. Mea culpa, didn't read the messages
carefully enough, made assumptions. Apologies all around. Now he slinks back
to his cube.

Dennis Williams
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Oh no! Somebody's jealous.
My guess is CTOUG is the Connecticut Oracle Users's Group. You probably
weren't in the running, if your email address indicates you aren't a member.
John, we're all very appreciative of you as well.

Dennis Williams
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Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
What criteria was used.
How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million DBA's unless it monitors
tars raised.

John


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year
Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA
of the Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Prasad



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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, as a person who has survived with Arup one minor and non-exacting
project (moving 1TB OPS database 
from Siemens--HP, from V7--8i, simultaneously, over a single weekend, with
rather simple twists, like 
finding the right patch for Dev 2000 to continue working, utilizing listener
load balancing and properly configuring GC_FILES_TO_LOCKS, migrating all the
backup scripts and all the database copying scripts and
testing all the applications) and who is reviewing a chapter of his incoming
book,I must say that this
title is more then deserved. Title of the DBA of the year means that guys
like me have recognized Arup
as the best among us. 

--
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Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean. What
criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million DBA's
unless it monitors tars raised.

John


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our List
member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year Oracle has
chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA of the
Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has mentioned
CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Pete Sharman
And did you really think we DON'T monitor tars raised???  :)


Pete

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Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
What criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million
DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.

John


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Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
List member) as DBA of the Year.

Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.

CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year Oracle has
chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA of the
Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has
mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
(http://www.proligence.com/).

Thanks.

Best Regards,
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 





hmmm... award to Mogens maybe for writing 'You Don't Need RAC' paper


I think his next paper will 'You don't need Grid Computing' ... g
Raj

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Congratulations indeed Arup. Well deserved. 
I believe that Mogens is also named Educator of the Year. 


Niall


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 Subject: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year) 
 
 
 
 Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup 
 Nanda(our List member) as DBA of the Year.
 
 Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.
 
 CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year 
 Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup 
 Nanda, as the DBA of the Year, out of some quarter million 
 DBAs worldwide. There will be a felicitation ceremony at 
 OracleWorld and the award recipients will be featured in 
 Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to 
 know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he 
 has mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it. Arup is President of 
 Proligence (http://www.proligence.com/).
 
 Thanks.
 
 Best Regards,
 Prasad
 
 
 
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RE: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Niall Litchfield
Congratulations indeed Arup. Well deserved. 
I believe that Mogens is also named Educator of the Year. 

Niall

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 Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup 
 Nanda(our List member) as DBA of the Year.
 
 Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.
 
 CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year 
 Oracle has chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup 
 Nanda, as the DBA of the Year, out of some quarter million 
 DBAs worldwide. There will be a felicitation ceremony at 
 OracleWorld and the award recipients will be featured in 
 Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to 
 know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he 
 has mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of 
 Proligence (http://www.proligence.com/).
 
 Thanks.
 
 Best Regards,
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Re: Congratulations Arup (DBA of the Year)

2003-08-28 Thread Tim Gorman
I think that it is Oracle Magazine that is actually awarding this, isn't it?
That provides a clue to the source and methods...

Does anyone pay for a subscription to Oracle Magazine?  Probably not -- the
price of subscription is generally to fill out a real or virtual
subscription card, on which Job Title is queried.  From that, they
probably get their number of a quarter-million DBAs worldwide.  Just my
guess.  Either that, or they do what I do and just pull the numbers out of
my...er...thin air...

I believe that Arup was awarded this honor and distinction for activities
that have come to the attention of Oracle Magazine, namely articles written
and published, work performed for Open World, IOUG-A, and SELECT magazine,
local Oracle Users Groups, and (possibly?) exposure on this list from the
excellent advice and explanations he's provided...

...and possibly from review of TARs opened, processed, and closed...  :-)

Of course it seems unlikely that #1 DBA can be chosen by any scientific
method, but however they did it I think they made an excellent choice
regardless!  I've always appreciated Arup's contributions to this list and
had the pleasure of seeing his presentation at NYOUG last December.

---

And congratulations to Mogens for being named Educator of the Year!  The
leader of the junta which runs the Oak Table Forum has probably forgotten
(or drowned?) more information than the rest of us have ever learned, but
he's quite generous with the information he has resident.  I've always
learned something whenever he says anything!  In fact, just recently he
related the method of milking a nanny goat who has mastitis (yes, carefully
and gently for starters, watch the horns...)  :-)



on 8/28/03 2:34 PM, Pete Sharman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And did you really think we DON'T monitor tars raised???  :)
 
 
 Pete
 
 Controlling developers is like herding cats.
 Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
 
 Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
 Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Hallas, John, Tech Dev
 Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:00 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Not being a party pooper but what does DBA of the Year actually  mean.
 What criteria was used. How can Oracle know about a quarter of a million
 DBA's unless it monitors tars raised.
 
 John
 
 
 -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 August 2003 15:54
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 Just came to know from CTOUG news that Oracle has chosen Arup Nanda(our
 List member) as DBA of the Year.
 
 Congratulations Arup. thought I will share this news with the group.
 
 CTOUG Board Member, Arup Nanda, Chosen as DBA of the Year Oracle has
 chosen our very own CTOUG board member, Arup Nanda, as the DBA of the
 Year, out of some quarter million DBAs worldwide. There will be a
 felicitation ceremony at OracleWorld and the award recipients will be
 featured in Nov-Dec issue of Oracle Magazine. Thought you would like to
 know, as a part of the CTOUG community. In his interview, he has
 mentioned CTOUG, so watch for it.  Arup is President of Proligence
 (http://www.proligence.com/).
 
 Thanks.
 
 Best Regards,
 Prasad
 
 

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