Oliver who said:
> Renanthera imschootiana was arranged in huge sprays with seasonal red berries
> and
>Bergenia leaves, placed in great blocks in the many, many hotel lobbies. It
>was certainly not be native-grown, but is unless I am mistaken is an Annex 1
>species.
It is indeed an Appendix
This may be a dull point. However, remarks were made that "even flowers were
not exempt from CITES", and I am sure that this is so. However, to emphasise
how little such things are taken into account in the real world of exporting
nations, I was in a cold Asian country last week for a UN event. Re
It may be that I have missed something. I understand orchid movements to be
limited under CITES to the movement of mature plants. Flasked seedlings are
exempt, as are botanical specimens suitable for taxonomy, cut flowers and - if
not explicitly, then how is this different from a cut flower? - see
This is from one of our students, Mario Blanco:
"Dear Orchid Systematists/Taxonomists,
An article titled "CITES and the Herbarium Voucher" by Dr. Pat Duncan
Raven appeared in the Summer 2007 issue of Plant Science Bulletin (PDF
available at
ftp://flmnh.ufl.edu/public/ODG
with permission of th
In a message dated 8/30/06 6:02:53 AM, writes:
most of us would love orchids to become invasive
I agree CITES is often carried to extremes, but there are invasive orchids. Epipactis helleborine is a serious pest in Quebec, & threatens to invade some US woodlands.
Iris
_
"Defra [Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs] has funded a
series of CITES User's Guides to support the implementation of CITES for
plants across the globe. The guides have been produced by Royal Botanic
Gardens, Kew.
... The latest publication covers CITES and Slipper Orchids - t
What the convention requires and what is required by the US Officials does
not always match, in fact I can't say that CITES is applied uniformly
throughout
the US. Each country (and entry point) has its own little quirks and
interpretations.
As for Appendix 1 flasks, who on this list has impo
Peterwhile App. I orchids imported in flask are OK by CITES standards,
different countries can apply their own interpretation. So what may be
freely and legally available in Canada is still barred in the US by the USFW
interpretation of CITES, banning any possible "fruit of the poisoned
tree"..
As this is the rarest tree in the world why is it
allowed to be exported. If it was an orchid its movement would be banned.
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Peter Croezen's remarks on legal flasks left me so confused :
In Singapore, the local authorities insists on CITES II certs together with
Phyto when it comes to importing Appendix I flasks e.g. slipper orchids.
Their belief is that when flasked up, CITES I will be down graded to CITES
II.
A
y a lost cause right from the start.
-- Ray
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From: Peter\(Can\) Croezen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:14:43 -0500
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Subject: [OGD] CITES does not apply to App I flasks, according to CITES
Steve who sa
Steve who said:
>What Jerry has done is a valid action for
sure.
Right, he had to follow that route; I never said
Jerry did anything wrong.
>Peter, there is also another issue. If either of the
parents are not>legally owned/collected, or if the range country has
never issued>an export
So, a way for me to get Phrag. kovachii pollen for crosses on my Phrags?
Bonaventure Magrys
Cliffwood Beach, NJ USA
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:42:17 -0600
From: "Kathryn Theiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OGD] Vanda phylogeny
To:
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Title: CITES and Dijon.
As many of the orchid enthusiasts have already noticed, the Dijon WOC is extremely user unfriendly and poorly organized. The French bureaucracy will assist in making things difficult for visitors and exhibitors alike. With registration likely to peak around 1,000 this
Ahhh...the CITES paradox! It is a trade agreement, designed to protect
endangered species (including orchids) from exploitationyet it does
nothing to protect endangered orchids. Here is where the intractable problem
lies...an international agreement can do nothing to prevent collection
within a
Ray [Barkalow] :
Thanks for your comments about CITES [October 17].
You wrote : "By making it illegal to trade in a particular species, the
"black market" value of it increases dramatically, giving folks a lot more
incentive to harvest them."
It is a well-known fact that the prohibition of some
Peter (Croezen) :
Some time ago (October 14), you wrote on OGD : "CITES is a trade agreement;
not a conservation treaty."
Previously, other subscribers and yourself have repeatedly made that
assertion ("CITES is a trade agreement") on OGD, for example, in 2001 :
http://en
With the discussion on CITES etc lately on this list perhaps it is timely to
remind
us what CITES stands for...
The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and
Flora (CITES) sets controls on the international trade and movement of animal
and plant species that have be
Viateur,
you said "Apparently, some people understand that CITES is both about
conservation
and trade". I'm not trying to argue either for or against your statement,
but I'd like point out that Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is hardly an
authoritative source.
This is the man who publically don
One might argue that CITES actually hastens the problem.
By making it illegal to trade in a particular species, the "black market"
value of it increases dramatically, giving folks a lot more incentive to
harvest them.
If I'm a starving Peruvian (who likely knows nothing about CITES in the first
p
"BANGKOK, Oct 16 - Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra ... praised the
country's success in a two-week-long ... meeting [13th Meeting of the
Conference on Parties to the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species of Wide Fauna and Flora (CITES)] ... saying Thailand's
export in orchid
Peter (Croezen) :
Thanks for the clarifications about your previous post about CITES ('13th
meeting of CoP to CITES').
I am not sure I understand what you imply by "just two years ago we have
seen the total depletion of Phragmipedium kovachii orchid habitats in Peru,
a Party to CITES."
In Colo
Peter (Croezen),
You wrote, "CITES is a trade agreement".
Do you think that the statement : "Its aim is to ensure that international
trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their
survival." is unjustified ?
(see http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/13/props/index.shtml)
CITES doe
Thanks Marianne for the link to the web site of the International Institute
for Sustainable Development.
I was aware of the proposal about the transfer of Cattleya trianaei
[trianae] from Appendix I to Appendix II.
I did not know though that it has been approved at the 13th Meeting of the
Confe
"BANGKOK, Oct 13 - The Convention on International Trade in Endangered
Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) ... the 13th Meeting of the
Conference of Parties to CITES, being held in Bangkok between 2-14 October.
Thailand has proposed that CITES allow the trade in the local hybrid orchid.
The
Hello -
I noticed on Kelvin's listing of national/city/etc.
official flowers that C. trianae is mentioned as an
Appendix I plant. I believe that I may have a few
other plants on this list, as well. I did not import
them, or collect them, or smuggle them into the
country in my panties. In fact, re:
Hi,
Cypripedium species are not on CITES App I. Paphiopedilums and Phragmipediums
species are.
Peter
>>If these plants are still part of the Paph, Phrag, Selenipedium complex,
>>then they are on CITES Appendix I
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Over a few month period of time, I have been conversing with Roddy Gabel, Chief of the
Division of Scientific Authority, of the USFWS, which governs CITES in the US. He has
kindly agreed to help flesh out some of the ambiguous natures of CITES policy
application in the US. A simplified transcrip
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From: "Dr. Braem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OGD] Cites (continued)
> Dear Jerry,
..
> Thailand, Indonesia etc. The person inspecting these plants ate the
> border ist
Now here is an ideal solution, specially bred hybrids to eat the plant
quite simple:
#1 Ban all trade in wild collected specimens.
#2 Allow all trade in true Art Prop plants regardless of whether they are
species or hybrids. No Cites permits should be needed for these
From: "e.muehlbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OGD]
Frederick,
The first three words of CITES spells it out, and the first two don't count -
"Convention (on) International Trade."
Regarding native sites selling natural hybrids - that does not mean that the
products they are selling came from the wild. A natural hybrid is one that
occurs in the
Would the release of hybrids on CITES mean that all those Ho Chi Minh's
being sold on ebay will actually be legal? In other words, would hybrids be
legal even if their species parents are the "fruit of the poisoned tree"-
propagations of collected plants in non-CITES recognized countries, or if
the
I wonder if the average inspector will be able to identify species orchids
intentionally mis-labled as hybrids.
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Mark Sullivan said:
At the International Orchid Conservation Congress 2004, the congress and
the OSG, SSC, IUCN adopted two proposed changes to CITES one of which is
that all hybrids be excluded from CITES and CITES Documentation. Am I the
only one that thinks the International Orchid Conservati
into pure species collection like I did
with Vandaceous orchids.
Regards,
nancy
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 13:07:11 +0200
From: "Dr. Braem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OGD] CITES Logic and inteligence
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Dear Mark et al,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OGD] Re: conservation congress - report
I just have to question this logic.
At the International Orchid Conservation Congress 2004, the congress and
the Orchid Specialist Group (OSG), SSC, IUCN adopted two proposed
changes
I have an opportunity to purchase some seed-grown (or possibly
meristemmed) Cattleya skinneri and Cattleya bowringiana seedlings from
Southeast Asia. These are immature plants and obviously artificially
propagated. They will be accompanied by CITES and Phyto paperwork
issued by the proper auth
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