Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread Christian de Larrinaga
What's to stop both cases being applied simultaneously? Double dipping or dipping plus is endemic in 20th Century regulatory model rights based industries. With content dispersed physically by so many protocols such as torrents and blockchains into the 21st Century how on earth do you tell where

Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:34:11 + JLMS jjllm...@googlemail.com wrote: But people want Amazon to pay taxes locally here in the UK, don't they? (and elsewhere of course) Well there, that is the logical conclusion of legislating with the gut. More that its euro-legislation by people who've

Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread Nigel Harper
I'm just thinking that if there's a weakness in the directive, it would be more effective if campaigners try to strike at its heart, instead of tinkering round the edges trying to get de minimis thresholds in place or concessions about when they must comply by. The problem with that approach

Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread JLMS
But people want Amazon to pay taxes locally here in the UK, don't they? (and elsewhere of course) Well there, that is the logical conclusion of legislating with the gut. I don't know which principle can be invoked here, there is a reason why VAT has never been charged in the location of the

Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread Francis Davey
2015-01-12 11:34 GMT+00:00 JLMS jjllm...@googlemail.com: But people want Amazon to pay taxes locally here in the UK, don't they? (and elsewhere of course) Well there, that is the logical conclusion of legislating with the gut. I'm not sure with the gut is fair *or* for that matter the

Re: [ORG-discuss] Does new EU VAT legislation conflict with EU Charter of Fundamental Rights?

2015-01-12 Thread Alan Cox
One reason why I am against VAT being reverse engineered to country of consumption... What on earth does that end up meaning? The physical location of the person who makes the purchase at the time they make it. The analogy being standing in a shop doing it. That's the norm within the EU. If I

Re: [ORG-discuss] [ORG tech-vols] Cameron encryption comments

2015-01-12 Thread Adrian Kennard
On 12/01/2015 23:34, Jamie Hoyle wrote: Hi all, Would be interested to know everyone's thoughts on this: http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/12/uk-encryption-threat/ Seems like it has the potential to be a gross invasion of privacy, and may well be touted heavily at election time. The statement