I guess the discussion was in a Linux environment. The speed issue
(especially development speed) is voiced a lot in Linux circles by PHP
advocates as the number of people in the Linux scene who know PHP far
outnumbers the number of JSP people in there.
Performance of PHP on Linux is likely also
Title: RE: Kawa
I
found both to be nice but slow (the latter probably due to inefficient Swing in
the JDK 1.2.1 of the time) and to contain serious memory leaks (also at least in
part due to bugs in JDK 1.2.1).
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late last year, they posted the reason for the quiet:
They are reorganising the business to accomodate a larger company structure.
I guess they also take the time to lay down the groundwork for major
improvements and some study.
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Different database engines use different formats for dates and times (and
thus for timestamps). I had a similar problem converting a servlet from
Interbase (which we used during development) to Oracle (used by our client
in production).
Possibly Postgress does not understand the difference to GMT
please no VBScripts... I will not run potential worms, no matter what your
virusscanner (if that's what it is) says.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dominic Hanlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 14:57
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Subject:
I
agree that most problems people encounter are more likely caused by 1) their own
applications, 2) their JVM or 3) their operating system.
Just
blaming one thing (the application server written by a small startup company) is
easy, but you need to look on the complete picture.
Also,
JBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions
suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due to
the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with JBuilder
per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls compared to IDEs
I just don't like it. I've used it for several months, and the C++ version
for a year and could not get the hang of it. The logic IBM uses is beyond
me, maybe. Also, the frequeny crashes and appalling performance didn't do
any good.
Jeroen T Wenting
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It's the
I'm not sure what it is, but everything is quiet. There is almost no traffic
on the official Sun lists also. Maybe .NET is having a bigger impact than we
all expected it would have...
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response.setHeader("CACHE-CONTROL", "max-age=0, must-revalidate");
will do the trick.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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thanks. I'll give that a try. It's probably the reason why it does work with
Tomcat, as Tomcat uses the global classpath...
Jeroen T. Wenting
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that can't go wrong will anyway
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Veer
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:58
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: JetSpeed
"J.T. Wenting" wrote:
using Js 1.2b1, which works fine on
I think he means the classpath not for servlets but for external resources
like beans.
The default place for this is /orion/lib and web-app/WEB-INF/classes, but
is it possible to set other locations and if so, how to do it?
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't
I asked the same question last week and got no response. There seems to be a
versioning problem between Jetspeed and the Orion XML stuff.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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: JetSpeed
"J.T. Wenting" wrote:
I asked the same question last week and got no response.
There seems to be a
versioning problem between Jetspeed and the Orion XML stuff.
My problem seems to be that it cannot find some of the Turbine stuff.
http://server/servlet/jetspee
the equivalent is web.xml in your-web-app/WEB-INF
Jeroen T Wenting
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: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:01 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: JetSpeed
"J.T. Wenting" wrote:
I asked the same question last week and got no
response. There seems to be a versioning problem
between Jetspeed and the Orion XML stuff.
My problem seems to be that it c
etter. also, what version of
JS are you
running. JS is not in a very stable state currently.
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: JetSpeed
I
there is an incompatibility between Debian and the JDK (any JDK I tried).
The lib is there, but is not found for some reason. I installed Helix-gnome
and the problem went away.
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Martinsen
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and please set your mailclient to send plain-text and not to use Chinese
encoding.
Most people do not have Chinese encoding installed and get annoying popups
:)
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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check and doublecheck (goes for *nix too). For example Oracle installs its
own JVM without asking or telling you. If you choose custom setup you will
see 1.1.7 in the list of installed items, but removing it from the install
has no effect,it is still installed...
This caught us by surprise once,
more likely. Orion runs just fine on Suns 1.3 :)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam Cassar
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 14:10
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: orion server works with jdk 1.3???
or do you mean ibm's jdk1.3
WEB-INF contains servlets and other classfiles, META-INF contains EJB
deployment descriptors and such-like.
Neither are specific to Orion, but you will never see META-INF in Tomcat
because Tomcat does not use EJB (and so has no need for anything you'd put in
META-INF).
Jeroen T
f wim
veningaSent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:57To:
Orion-InterestSubject: Re: JetspeedHi
Jeroen,
I have no problems using Interbase for both BMP and CMP. I can sent you
the database-schema for interbase if you want.
Greetings Wim Veninga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
have no problems using Interbase for both BMP and CMP. I can sent you
the database-schema for interbase if you want.
Greetings Wim Veninga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"J.T. Wenting" wrote:
Has anyone got Jetspeed 1.2 to run on Orion? I keep
getting errors instantiating caches (or so i
Title: Non-Commercial
development certainly (as it explicitly says so). For the rest (please
give an official statement) non-commercial usually means non-profit
organizations and educational use.
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They are sent encrypted. The URL will contain them in plain-text though,
which is how they will appear in serverlogs.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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Has anyone got Jetspeed 1.2 to run on Orion? I keep getting errors
instantiating caches (or so it seems).
Hints appreciated. For the moment I am using Oracle 8i as a database (would
like to use Interbase, but that is not supported, getting errors if I try).
Jeroen T. Wenting
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what others? This encoding string is buggy, if someone supports it, he
probably ignores it rather than using it...
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:25
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: jsp
remove the classes?
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Sent: 07 November 2000 20:25
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Forcing servlet declarations
I have several apps the share common libraries. Some apps I
want to execute
JDeveloper is based on JBuilder 2, if I am correct. Back then there were no
EJBs...
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Keith Kwiatek
Sent: 07 November 2000 20:48
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Subject: Re: There has GOTTA
http://www.novocode.com/doc/servlet-essentials/ gives a good intro into
servlets (though I think the O'Reilly book is better).
As to not using JDBC, I don't think so (unless you write your own... which
would be reinventing JDBC). JDBC is good, why not use it?
Jeroen T Wenting
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I've used the two together, but not through Orion datasources (anyone got
Interbase 6 working and can give me some help? I get errors whenever I
upgrade Orion when Orion tries to create some tables).
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I've seen companies buy out a competitor just so they can remove their
products from the market...
The fact that it turned up in Bugzilla was a very good indication for me it
was a joke :)
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Keith Kwiatek
You can create a servlet that starts the thread in its init(), then set the
servlet to be initialised on server startup.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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Apparently, and this is a definite (sic) Windows NT 4/2000 with a
dual-processor running Java out-performs a Linux box of the same spec
running Java. Originally, the project was trialled to run on
Linux, but it
was discovered that NT 4 was faster!!! Has anyone else had any experience
of
Very narrow range of top-level domains. No European or Asian domains at
all...
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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 14:09
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Subject: RE: Orion in production
I don't know
I'm still using 1.2.2 for all my development, if only because we need to
deploy to platforms that have no 1.3 available.
Jeroen T Wenting
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you
can see the generated sources by setting "development=true" in one of the config
files (I think either server.xml or
global-web-application.xml).
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KumarSent: Wednesday, October 18,
it is not mentioned in the documentation to support anything beyond WebLogic
and the RI that ships with J2EE.
Please ask Tek-tools directly and keep us informed.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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it would also allow the service to be used by people behind firewalls that
block ftp (there are a lot of those, either by design or accident (read
faulty installation or software)).
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Looks like your resultset becomes too large to fit in the memory-structure
used to store it. This is more likely a restriction in the Java runtime than
in the application server. Have you tried running it on other appservers?
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Not with Orion (don't use that on unix, corporate standard is iPlanet and
Websphere), but we've had problems that JSPs were not compiled when no
execute rights had been set on them for the user used by the server.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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the cache is in
/orion/application-deployments/application-name/persistence
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Archer
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 08:40
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Can't create x.jsp.jspCache files
Hi
For serious (i.e. mission critical, large) projects, use Oracle, DB2 or
Sybase.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikko
Kurki-Suonio
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 07:51
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: What database are you using??
Using Orion with Interbase and Oracle for development, iPlanet and Oracle
for deployment (corporate choice, I'm a lowly developer).
Problem with Interbase is that several column names used in the autocreated
tables Orion makes during deployment are actually reserved words (like
password).
As we
AFAIK
this is it...
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SanjaySent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:11To:
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Hello there ,
Is there any online Orion support available?
We have
please
turn of capslock...
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413 Request Entity Too Large
ERROR DUE TO oRION BUG USE
would be nice, would it?
Sadly he did not include an email address where people can send to :)
Jeroen T Wenting
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you could have 2 servers (one on port 80 and one somewhere else) with the
one on port 80 forwarding all requests to the other one.
Maybe not the prettiest solution, but it might work.
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It has been announced, not released. I expect the official release at the
upcoming BorCon Europe in London on the 24th.
Borland usually has an announcement before the official unveiling, and does
the latter at a BorCon somewhere (London happens to be the next one).
Jeroen T. Wenting
[EMAIL
I am currently receiving 2 copies of each message...
Jeroen T Wenting
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It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (Michael Stipe)
nope. But sometimes it takes a while for some reason(or maybe you sent them
to the wrong address??)
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Part
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 15:31
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Is this list
and even correctly closed ;)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Clark
Sent: 02 September 2000 17:41
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: URLs in web apps
Indeed it is.
Mike
Kevin Duffey wrote:
HI,
Is that a HTML 4.0
I'm having trouble with glibc and java (Sun for now). I have glibc 2.1.3,
JDK 1.2.2. When I try to start a Swing/AWT application I get a 'shared
library not found' error.
Anyone know something about that? non-GUI programs run fine.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things
I'm not on linux myself at the moment, but I'll try it when I have the
opportunity.
Thanks for the hint.
I'm having trouble with glibc and java (Sun for now). I have
glibc 2.1.3,
JDK 1.2.2. When I try to start a Swing/AWT application I get a 'shared
library not found' error.
Anyone know
generated sources will be stored in
oriondir/application-deployments/webapp/persistence (or something like
that).
if development="false", they will not be saved.
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orion/application-deployments/application/persistence
but only when development="true"
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Part
it works fine. Just copy interclient.jar to /orion/lib
I use the following schema-xml:
?xml version="1.0"?
!DOCTYPE database-schema PUBLIC "-//Evermind//- Database schema"
"http://www.orionserver.com/dtds/database-schema.dtd"
database-schema name="Interbase" not-null="not null" null="default
you do, like I stated earlier...
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Lorandi
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 14:43
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: servlet tag in jsp/shtml file, works .. with a problem
Don't you have to
it's a bug (already reported). Remove the last 's' from the name (to get
database-schema.dtd).
Counter-question: where is the ejb-jar DTD? I get a 404 when trying to
retrieve it from Sun.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
if a URL is given, it can be used to retrieve the DTD from the network. If
the location is not valid (or if the network is not available, which has the
same effect), validation will fail.
Having the DTD at hand for documentation and study can also be quite useful
(especially for poorly documented
read the FAQ. It's there...
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Stanislav Bernatsky
Sent: 23 August 2000 15:48
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Debugging servlets
Could anyone explain me how to debug servlets in Kawa+Orion?
When I
500 means the server encountered an error running the JSP. try to set
development="true" in global-web-application.xml and you may get a more descriptive
error (like the full Exception).
If you have not restarted Orion since copying tools.jar, do so now. It is required.
Jeroen T. Wenting
maybe
he wants to run ASP or ISAPI?
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DuffeySent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 23:28To:
Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Orion and IIS
Why
would you want to? Orion has a much faster web server
Be sure to use version 8.1.6 or upwards of the OraJDBC driver, though.
Earlier versions do not work at all with Java2 (as we found out after
several weeks of swearing)!
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
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I do not think the J2EE specs prohibit you from implementing something that
is not part of it.
That would be too restrictive, IMO, and enough reasons to drop the J2EE
compliance in that respect.
PHP, mod-perl, and documentation would be good.
Jeroen T Wenting
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I think such request merely indicate the need for more complete
documentation. Documentation (and you are doing a good job, but it should
not be needed, Evermind should do it for us) is the greatest weakness Orion
has (not counting the bugs Swing causes in the tools, these are generic to
Java
developers creating documentation that is useful to users? You must be
kidding ;)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Karl Avedal
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 23:26
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: please please please include change
Interbase 6 is great, when you don't mind the shortcomings in the JDBC
driver (a fix for it is now in testing, though): it does not support
renaming columns using AS. So "select count(*) AS userCount from users" will
not allow getInt("userCount"), though getInt(1) works fine, so there is a
simple
in the destroy method, which the server will call before it
terminates (assuming it's a graceful shutdown, of course).
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Behalf Of J.T. Wenting Sent: Sunday, August 13,
2000 9:32 AM To: Orion-Interest
For server shutdown, a quick hack is to create a servlet that loads on
server startup, has an empty init method, no service methods, and a finalize
that does something. finalize will get called when the class instance (of
which there is only one, of course) is garbage collected, which happens to
in
Java, issue conn.setAutoCommit(true) to set autocommit on for Connection conn
(if the database engine supports it), or setAutoCommit(false) to turn it
off.
Default is usually on, for some reason.
Jeroen T. Wenting[EMAIL PROTECTED]Murphy was
wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
have you copies tools.jar to the main orion folder? The error seems to be an
IE 'friendly HTTP error message'. You can turn those of (and the
server-generated messages on ) from tools-options-advanced in IE.
Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will
Option 2 is better when you are dealing with application servers,
especialy
with Orion. Orion has a very easy built-in connection pooling capability.
When you suggest this method, I assume you are talking about an Orion
specific mechanism correct? This is convenient if Orion is the only
you do have to release the connections back to the pool, usually with a
free(Connection) command or similar. the pool then handles closing the
actual Connection for you. Maybe Orion's implementation wants the Connection
to be closed outside the pool, but this seems illogical to me.
Jeroen T.
I'm working on building Jive. I'll look into it and forward your message to
the main maintainers. Jive probably does not see the class, but the JSP
engine does. Maybe that's what is causing problems.
Have you been able to create the Jive database on hSQL? If so, can you send
in the SQL scripts
a script for that if you want it?). My solution to
the problem I described was to simply remove the hsql.jar file from
/orion/lib since I'm not using it.
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real-life story: Allaire increased the price of Spectra (I think it was)
about tenfold because people would not buy it. They considered it was not
expensive enough to be any good...
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Anything is more stable than the equivalent IBM product in my experience...
The notable exception being DB2.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 09:20
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Subject: RE: Great
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 09:17
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Shutting down in Windows NT.
I get the same errors AFTER upgrading to 1.1.30
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Still happens in 1.1.30.
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 3:40 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Shutting down in Windows NT.
I did that.
Now I get this message:
Christian Sell
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 4:32 PM
To: Andreas Reckmann
Subject: RE: Oracle-Driver not found
I have found you must add classes12.zip to /orion/lib (the same goes for all
other jars/zips with JDBC drivers).
Maybe
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