- Original Message -
From: Frank LaRosa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: On large programming teams [RE: A Swedish Idea]
Adding more programmers to a product early in its development cycle can
pay
off. You have
.
-Original Message-
From: Frank Eggink
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 4/21/01 7:01 AM
Subject: On large programming teams [RE: A Swedish Idea]
The following is one of the classic readings on programming at large. 25
years old and I
can still recommend it:
The Mythical Man-Month from F.P
this serves to reduce the quality of
the programming.
- Original Message -
From: Frank Eggink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:01 AM
Subject: On large programming teams [RE: A Swedish Idea]
The following is one of the classic
em all
:)
Johan
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
is
probably the closest, and they don't really have a cutting share of Bill's
market.
-Original Message-
From: Frank Eggink
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 4/21/01 7:01 AM
Subject: On large programming teams [RE: A Swedish Idea]
The following is one of the classic readings on programming at large
is mailing list.
Paul
From: "Frank LaRosa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:52:23 -0500
What's the difference? We choose to write J2EE applications because J2EE is
Just for the sake of completeness, let's all chip in for a car to see what
happens in this circumstance. Maybe we can get rid of ALL of them at once,
just to see if Orion goes away THEN.
Then, for the sake of yet more completeness, let's try to somehow legally
eradicate all of BEA's employees,
.
-Original Message-
From: David Kinnvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:32 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
They never get there about as much as this thread in its current
shape provides any value whatsoever to Orion users. IMHO.
/David
;-) Forgot the funny side of it. It has been a long week.
/David
- Original Message -
From: "Kemp Randy-W18971" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
Yes, but it does. It provide
Michael J. Cannon wrote: Interbase is not 'free.'
Well, Michael, I already made a post of the parts in the Interbase licence
that states that the database product is free. I think I read the licence
very carefully, and as far as I can see, the licence is indeed free. The
licence includes
/projects/hsqldb
web
http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net
dedmike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville
Burnell
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:10 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
the autoupdate delivering an old
4:20 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to
make the rest of the world's jobs harder.
I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian
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From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
Argh, I really did try hard not to respond, but I can resist no longer...
'it's good enough for NASA' means nothing, nor is it relevant. Win98 is
good enough
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:04:48PM -0600, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Fair enough, Mike, but my bottom line was: Why not ... address that issue
(having MySQL and Orion folks talk to each other) directly?
Why?
Randy had a good thought -- the Thought Police should quit stomping on it.
The issue is
April 18, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to
make the rest of the world's jobs harder.
I say we all start using Bavarian products, if o
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From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
full of lousy programmers, b
: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:06 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Generally, I agree with the comment about Micro$oft quality of code, though
I've seen some pretty horrible code from outside the US, too. :)
Bill Gates may be from
, as their practice of releasing alpha or beta quality products as production
quality.
-Original Message-
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:06 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Generally, I agree with the comment about Micro$oft
The groomsmen at my wedding were named Schotanus, Schloss and Schnakenberg
-- no kidding -- if they all lived in the same city, they'd be on the same
page in the phonebook. So, bring on the Germanic hordes!
Now try to stay focused: Randy's idea was whether or not MySQL and Orion
should talk
programmers are from...?
I suppose that the country they're from produce the shittiest code of
em all
:)
Johan
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
flamebait
Unlike all those OSS products huh.
/flamebait
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
It has been said that if Bill Gates stopped to pick up a hundred dollar
bill, he would be losing money. On a more serious note, it's really not
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:03 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
flamebait
Unlike all those OSS products huh.
/flamebait
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
It has been said that if Bill Gates stopped to pick up a hundred dollar
bill, he wou
7:08 PM
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
Yes, and like many turtles, they never get there.
Believing in fairy tales is not a good basis for conducting business. The
turtle and rabbit story is a way to tell average children 'yes, you might
be stupid and slow, but you should keep trying'. I don't th
God forbids, what if one of them got into car accident, would there still be
Orion.
lo stardom?
[:^b
dedmike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp
Randy-W18971
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:49 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
OSS is like the turtles. They slowly craw along, and the best
even
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:17 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
The groomsmen at my wedding were named Schotanus, Schloss and Schnakenberg
-- no kidding -- if they all lived
Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
God forbids, what if one of them got into car accident, would there still
be
Orion.
Why?!?!
I have an idea, why don't IBM and BEA team up and
release...logicsphere! After all, they're both US companies...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion,
but it occurred to me that both Mysql
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to
make the rest of the world's jobs harder.
I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian names
seem to have a better
am I the only one on this list considering this useless discussion spam?
karl and magnus are grownups making their own decisions and you don't
actually believe repeating stuff that has been discussed on this list over
and over again, inspires them?
please contribute to getting the technical
]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden
full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to
make the rest of the world's jobs harder.
I say we all start
of a team
called the Justice League, since he can't solve everything by himself.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:54:02AM -0400, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
I'm from the USA, near Chicago, Il. What countries lead in quality of code?
I would like to know. No matter what country the product is produced in,
The best country in terms of code/quality ratio is Cameroon.
you might find
I said it may be a dumb idea.
-Original Message-
From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:18 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Why?!?!
I have an idea, why don't IBM and BEA team up and
release...logicsphere! After all, they're
it meanses),
then please apply said meaning to nearly everything in this thread. Thanks!
:)
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William
JonesSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:34 PMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Re: A Swedish Idea
Would some people
please just grow up.
If you don't want
to use Orion then that is your decision. Vote with your feet and leave
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
Argh, I really did try hard not to respond, but I can resist no longer...
'it's good enough for NASA' means nothing, nor is it relevant. Win98
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
But, let's say it doesn't support transactions. What's wrong with starting
a dialog?
Why bother? So the people who bleat about mySQL all the time are
happier? Frankly I'd rather the Orion team concentrate on functionality
and J2EE
I would guess that it would be MySQL making the majority (all?) of the
changes to support J2EE platforms, not just Orion. To Orion, it's just
another storage mechanism.
As for "why bother?". Well, that's what "open" software is all about.
Open minds, open discussions, open ideas, etc, etc.
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
At first a zillion people picked up the continued development of
HypersonicSQL (because it's *awesome* for development, but anyway...
SourceForge was flooded with clones, but I believe that everyone got
together and the de facto successor is now
Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
hmmm...autoupdate...Magnus, Carl? what do we need to include in hsqldb
to
prevent this? (Credit to you Stan and whoever else contributes)...
dedmike
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng
Sent: Wednesday
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