Hi Anne,
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together (NOVA) about
sociobiology. And there was this scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this
weird guy that studies ants. And this term stigmergy comes up during
the viewing.
Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We
Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings each vibrating in their
own way and together harmonies are created, and also one of artist Lisa
Sparks with feelings vibrations in bowls of water. I hope you can see a
relation to what is happening in OS wherever, whenever life is happening.
Kari – I totally agree with your congratulatory note to Dan for having
introduced ecology to our discussion. Thinking about self organization in the
abstract gets pretty fuzzy, and limiting the conversation to OST is
...limiting. But seen in a broader context (the biosphere), things become
Anne - I did have to chuckle when you took Dan to the Woodshed. J His use of
the word stigmergy set me back a bit too. Particularly since I pride
myself on my vocabulary, but that one got me. I did fail the course. I could
see the roots, and guess the meaning, but it really was foreign territory.
testing...
Question:
Is not each post on *OSLIST* an example of the stigmergy principle in
action?
Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coordination between (*OSLIST*) agents.
The principle is that the trace (an *OSLIST* post) left in the
Skye, those are some good vibrations!
Wow Harold. So far Lisa Heft, Anne Stadler, yourself and myself are
using the a-word repeatedly on OSLIST.
On what authority are we using the a-word? Where does it come from?
Is the a-word now white-listed here on OSLIST?
Quote from you, below: here you
Thank you Harrison. The vital part of the process is that we are part of it!
Just as Darwin encouraged us to look at the origin of species in a different
way (Newtonian physics) so does Richard Dawkins The selfish gene first in its
original form then in Dawkins' explanation in the past few
Thanks Anne
Language is tricky. I don't think it is ever possible to say we should
use this word because it is familiar and we should not use this one
because it is not.
For example, I think a lot of words are acceptable because they have
'common sense' interpretations, but their meanings are
Anne regards the purpose of your post, a potential focus for research...
I am interpreting that when you say you are 'not interested in just any
kind of self organisation', that you are interested in specifically those
kinds of self org that demonstrate the traits that you have described Open
... you could look at it that way Daniel.
The 'indirect' bit is key. 'Indirect' means we are not directing messages
to one another. The Collabforge group focus specifically on environmental
manipulation and context-specific messaging. OSList is probably too grey
to demonstrate the concept.
Hi Julie
An interesting and very engaging essay. I could imagine a substantial
discussion from ruminating on it.
I am inclined to analytically 'umbrella' self righting and self correcting
as examples of self organisation... but I would be pleased for this to
prove simplistic. They both look
*breathe in* *breathe out*
Thank you everyone for you contributions.
What is emerging for me is a sense of 'space' for potential research.
- There is the historic space... what people have written about self org .
Some great refs there and definitely 'in scope'.
- There is the fringe space...
Hi John ~
The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between self-organizing with
self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it all looks. Take
cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of self-organization?
Self-organization that is destructive (not
!! SORRY FOR SHOUTING !!
I like this topic with which I shall shortly engage, but first a word
from your techie list manager.
If you receive digests and you hit *REPLY*, every single message from
the digest will be included in your reply and there is a very good
chance your post will not
Hi Anne,
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together (NOVA) about
sociobiology. And there was this scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this
weird guy that studies ants. And this term stigmergy comes up during
the viewing.
Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We
Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings each vibrating in their
own way and together harmonies are created, and also one of artist Lisa
Sparks with feelings vibrations in bowls of water. I hope you can see a
relation to what is happening in OS wherever, whenever life is happening.
Kari – I totally agree with your congratulatory note to Dan for having
introduced ecology to our discussion. Thinking about self organization in the
abstract gets pretty fuzzy, and limiting the conversation to OST is
...limiting. But seen in a broader context (the biosphere), things become
Anne - I did have to chuckle when you took Dan to the Woodshed. J His use of
the word stigmergy set me back a bit too. Particularly since I pride
myself on my vocabulary, but that one got me. I did fail the course. I could
see the roots, and guess the meaning, but it really was foreign territory.
testing...
Question:
Is not each post on *OSLIST* an example of the stigmergy principle in
action?
Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coordination between (*OSLIST*) agents.
The principle is that the trace (an *OSLIST* post) left in the
Skye, those are some good vibrations!
Wow Harold. So far Lisa Heft, Anne Stadler, yourself and myself are
using the a-word repeatedly on OSLIST.
On what authority are we using the a-word? Where does it come from?
Is the a-word now white-listed here on OSLIST?
Quote from you, below: here you
Thank you Harrison. The vital part of the process is that we are part of it!
Just as Darwin encouraged us to look at the origin of species in a different
way (Newtonian physics) so does Richard Dawkins The selfish gene first in its
original form then in Dawkins' explanation in the past few
Thanks Anne
Language is tricky. I don't think it is ever possible to say we should
use this word because it is familiar and we should not use this one
because it is not.
For example, I think a lot of words are acceptable because they have
'common sense' interpretations, but their meanings are
Anne regards the purpose of your post, a potential focus for research...
I am interpreting that when you say you are 'not interested in just any
kind of self organisation', that you are interested in specifically those
kinds of self org that demonstrate the traits that you have described Open
... you could look at it that way Daniel.
The 'indirect' bit is key. 'Indirect' means we are not directing messages
to one another. The Collabforge group focus specifically on environmental
manipulation and context-specific messaging. OSList is probably too grey
to demonstrate the concept.
Hi Julie
An interesting and very engaging essay. I could imagine a substantial
discussion from ruminating on it.
I am inclined to analytically 'umbrella' self righting and self correcting
as examples of self organisation... but I would be pleased for this to
prove simplistic. They both look
*breathe in* *breathe out*
Thank you everyone for you contributions.
What is emerging for me is a sense of 'space' for potential research.
- There is the historic space... what people have written about self org .
Some great refs there and definitely 'in scope'.
- There is the fringe space...
Hi John ~
The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between self-organizing with
self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it all looks. Take
cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of self-organization?
Self-organization that is destructive (not
!! SORRY FOR SHOUTING !!
I like this topic with which I shall shortly engage, but first a word
from your techie list manager.
If you receive digests and you hit *REPLY*, every single message from
the digest will be included in your reply and there is a very good
chance your post will not
Hi Anne,
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together (NOVA) about
sociobiology. And there was this scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this
weird guy that studies ants. And this term stigmergy comes up during
the viewing.
Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We
Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings each vibrating in their
own way and together harmonies are created, and also one of artist Lisa
Sparks with feelings vibrations in bowls of water. I hope you can see a
relation to what is happening in OS wherever, whenever life is happening.
Kari – I totally agree with your congratulatory note to Dan for having
introduced ecology to our discussion. Thinking about self organization in the
abstract gets pretty fuzzy, and limiting the conversation to OST is
...limiting. But seen in a broader context (the biosphere), things become
Anne - I did have to chuckle when you took Dan to the Woodshed. J His use of
the word stigmergy set me back a bit too. Particularly since I pride
myself on my vocabulary, but that one got me. I did fail the course. I could
see the roots, and guess the meaning, but it really was foreign territory.
testing...
Question:
Is not each post on *OSLIST* an example of the stigmergy principle in
action?
Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coordination between (*OSLIST*) agents.
The principle is that the trace (an *OSLIST* post) left in the
Skye, those are some good vibrations!
Wow Harold. So far Lisa Heft, Anne Stadler, yourself and myself are
using the a-word repeatedly on OSLIST.
On what authority are we using the a-word? Where does it come from?
Is the a-word now white-listed here on OSLIST?
Quote from you, below: here you
Thank you Harrison. The vital part of the process is that we are part of it!
Just as Darwin encouraged us to look at the origin of species in a different
way (Newtonian physics) so does Richard Dawkins The selfish gene first in its
original form then in Dawkins' explanation in the past few
Thanks Anne
Language is tricky. I don't think it is ever possible to say we should
use this word because it is familiar and we should not use this one
because it is not.
For example, I think a lot of words are acceptable because they have
'common sense' interpretations, but their meanings are
Anne regards the purpose of your post, a potential focus for research...
I am interpreting that when you say you are 'not interested in just any
kind of self organisation', that you are interested in specifically those
kinds of self org that demonstrate the traits that you have described Open
... you could look at it that way Daniel.
The 'indirect' bit is key. 'Indirect' means we are not directing messages
to one another. The Collabforge group focus specifically on environmental
manipulation and context-specific messaging. OSList is probably too grey
to demonstrate the concept.
Hi Julie
An interesting and very engaging essay. I could imagine a substantial
discussion from ruminating on it.
I am inclined to analytically 'umbrella' self righting and self correcting
as examples of self organisation... but I would be pleased for this to
prove simplistic. They both look
*breathe in* *breathe out*
Thank you everyone for you contributions.
What is emerging for me is a sense of 'space' for potential research.
- There is the historic space... what people have written about self org .
Some great refs there and definitely 'in scope'.
- There is the fringe space...
Hi John ~
The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between self-organizing with
self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it all looks. Take
cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of self-organization?
Self-organization that is destructive (not
!! SORRY FOR SHOUTING !!
I like this topic with which I shall shortly engage, but first a word
from your techie list manager.
If you receive digests and you hit *REPLY*, every single message from
the digest will be included in your reply and there is a very good
chance your post will not
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