Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-18 Thread Bernhard Weber via OSList
> Hi Helene and all open-spacers out there! After a long time of just lurking occasionally because of health trouble, I am back again. Right now from Maputo/Mozambique. You wrote: > But nobody can guess what proportion may give a critical mass in each > different circonstances, and it would

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-18 Thread Suzanne Daigle via OSList
Thank you so much everyone for all your comments and contribution including Helene, name of my late mother. We too are French. Living through the chaos and feeling the intensity of what's described here... at both extremes which seems so surreal. Yesterday I was opening space with a small

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-10 Thread helene via OSList
thanks for all of this! we are trusting in unlimited love so perhaps we don't like to get aware of our limits (= inner limits and/or OS limits) but indeed: if we invite very widely or even aim at "Trump-ists" and, for instance, at a OS 50% of the participants happen to be,that sort of very

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-10 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan – Can’t really disagree with a lot of what you are saying – Trump has clearly found a resonant chord, articulating many thoughts and feelings that should have been exposed to some fresh air and open discussion – even if very unpleasant. And Open Space has proved itself useful and effective

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-10 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
hi Helene, Hmm, I actually experience your English as very good! And I experience your thinking as /excellent/: "...So i think we have but one way: let things happen, trying nothing, giving up ends and means more and more people will /progressively participate and feel the effects of OS,

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Wait. Is Donald Trump invited? His ideas? Are those who have thus far repressed similar thoughts and feelings as expressed by Trump...are they also invited? Because: if he is not, if they are not, if those ideas are not, then: the space that is purportedly open is in

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Are we to invite only those who are inviting? /Only/ those who are lovely? If we invite the uninviting and love the unlovely, the rest is up to them. Is it not? Isn't that how opening space actually goes? Daniel PS See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his breakout in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the issue exactly to be that he wishes to close off the space to others. He's being a space invader. How do you handle a space invader? Maybe if we both gave him a big hug.

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jan Höglund via OSList
Well, who does Donal Trump invite? Not Muslims obviously. I just read "Talking to the Enemy" by Scott Atran https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14848338-talking-to-the-enemy Yes, it's about opening space... I'll write a book review some day. /Jan To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Date:

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
"Opening space for fascism" I can understand and experience as a non-starter. Does censoring speech increase of decrease liberty? If speech was not censored, would Trump have any traction at all? The latter question is difficult to answer, the former is not. For the record, I do not currently

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
For some weird reason i only saw the first line of your original post Daniel. Below that, I now see your good important points about the people attracted to Mr. Trump's rhetoric. I am very much like them - white straight Christian Americans getting screwed by global economic forces. And needing

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
I hear you Daniel. There are needs not being addressed, and here's a guy saying he will address them. I don't share the perspective that Mr. Trump's rhetoric has not been openly shared for years in the public square. Unless Fox News and several allied websites and radio talk shows are not

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
I wonder if I am not such a good communicator. Setting aside the topic of the uninviting and unlovely for a moment, let us return to the issue of suppression and repression of thoughts which want legitimate expression. "Closed space" suppresses. And represses. And OPPRESSES. In this case,

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
Oh yes i remember we talked about voluntaryists! Reminds me of my intensive study of what Ted Roszak called "mystical anarchists" among whom he named Tolstoy and Buber and Gandhi, as well as the ecological anarchists like Murry Bookchin, and nonviolent society thinkers like AJ Muste. The impulse

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Jan Höglund via OSList
Open space seems to be a vulnerable thing. It can only be opened by invitation, but can be closed by force. Or? /Jan ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-09 Thread Christine Whitney Sanchez via OSList
I would pay for a plane ticket to witness this hug. Christine On Dec 9, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote: Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his breakout in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the

[OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-08 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
"Donald Trump calls for 'total' ban on Muslims entering United States" (Washington Post 12/8/15) Donald Trump has said what some people here in the USA (and elsewhere in the world) have also been saying and feeling. These are the words of fear. Unfortunately they are also the words of a

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-08 Thread Robyn Williams ► via OSList
HO! Warmest wishes to all, Robyn From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen via OSList Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 8:49 PM To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Subject: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-08 Thread Suzanne Daigle via OSList
As we plan into opening space at International House in New York in January around the theme of *“Creating High Performance and Peace in our Lives, our Organizations, our Communities and our Planet," *we quoted a passage from Harrison's book Wave Rider that seemed to capture the essence of what we