Re: [OSList] Space invaders and using your two feet

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Thanks all. I will think on these examples often in the future, I also 
always think on the User’s Guide from Harrison (and often review the 
bit on Space Invaders because I think it captures something essential 
about Open Space facilitation).


A few additional thoughts I find there:

* I try to remember a Space Invader often tries to control the space 
(and close it for others) because of their own great passion and sense 
of responsibility. A space invader’s passion usually manifests in 
something that works against the law of mobility/2 feet in some way. The 
examples Micheal and others gave of someone announcing the Open Space 
can stop now while everyone considers/accepts their priorities is a a 
pretty obvious  Space Invader attempting to suspend the law of mobility 
out of passion for the topic and their "answer". When I have encountered 
"space invaders" it helps me think openly(compassionately?) about them 
when I remember that most Space Invaders aren’t trying to destroy. 
They are trying to "build". We invited, welcomed and celebrated their 
passion, but it’s manifesting right now in a way that closes the 
space.


	(And now, I also find space invaders when I’m "riding the wave" 
outside of an open space event. If everything is open space, then I’m 
not surprised to sometimes meet space invaders anywhere. This thinking 
on Space Invaders helps me.  When I’m responding as my better self, I 
am able to realise "this is a space invader" and then I can ask 
myself—and them—about the passion, responsibility and caring driving 
their actions. I also believe that most mean well, but also I strongly 
believe some space invaders actually operate—voluntarily or 
involuntarily—out of passion for spite and malice or mental 
illness…so I consider best intentions, but I don’t make a blanket 
statement that I can assume everyone is operating with best 
intentions—because I have bad experiences with people who simply 
aren’t for some reason.)


* As a facilitator holding space, while you remind everyone of the 
principles of open space, many space invaders will realise their 
passionate (well meaning) actions are closing space and the Space 
Invader melts away (like in Michael’s example). When that doesn’t 
happen (after a few reminders) the facilitator calmly walks away. (I 
find the hard part here is to do this without any hint of 
passion—aggression — which can unfortunately be my goto stance when 
I’m not holding space.) That way you use your mobility and demonstrate 
that the natural law of mobility applies everyone even myself 
facilitating. As the book says that’s almost always enough to remind 
everyone else they can use their mobility too.


	(I usually use the washroom or take a new refreshing Diet Coke. The 
fact that I take so many refreshing Diet Cokes usually means I need the 
washroom anyway. And as I recall, every time I’ve returned to the main 
space 10 or 15 minutes later the space invasion is over and everyone is 
working in full-on open space. Online might be trickier but last week I 
referred to the law of mobility, invited the group to carry on, and 
asked the co-facilitator who was working with me if she wanted to join 
me in a break out to work on something we needed to do (she did)—I 
felt I needed to be explicit that we were leaving so that we could add 
value elsewhere because as you know when we’re online it may not be 
noticeable otherwise. And just as I find *in situ*, we returned 10 
minutes later to find the space invasion was over and open space had 
returned. A tool like QiqoChat makes this easier since movement is kinda 
visible AND simple enough for people to navigate without any facilitator 
intervention once they know how it works— and I promise Lucas 
doesn’t give me kickbacks for promoting his tool all the time. ;) )


* The key thing in the User’s Guide for me (and something that taught 
me a lot about what it means to hold space) is if the participants are 
still giving space to the invasion at this point, then they *have* in 
fact followed the pervasive law of mobility and chosen to participate in 
the invasion. **If the facilitator intervenes at this point, the 
*facilitator* becomes the *Space Invader*.**


After adding that to the general discussion, because it was very 
important to me, I have to also think about the current context of this 
discussion on the OSList.


Having said all that, I want to point out that the discussion of Space 
Invaders in the User’s Guide comes right after (or is it just before) 
Harrison’s thoughts on complete disruptions apparently prompted by 
mental illness or other big external factors. I also have to ask what is 
the proper response to an outbreak of violence or predatory behaviour? 
In general, there are some situations where I don’t think the general 
advice for responding to space invasion would specifically apply.


And then, how can we interpret this in the context of a mailing list 
which operates publicly on the 

[OSList] Workshop/Training for holding Open Space

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Hi All!

I want to make a little announcement because life’s too short, and the 
wicked problems in our world are far too urgent, to do Open Space 
half-way!


I offer a training workshops for people who need to hold 
“full-power” Open Space that makes a real difference. In the 
workshop we explore how Open Space events invite change and make change 
that matters. It’s for experienced facilitators who want to go a 
little deeper, and for people who are just learning how to hold Open 
Space. We build open space mindsets. We don’t focus much on 
mechanics—you can read about the mechanics.


Will you join us? If this sparked your curiosity you can find out all 
the information—and apply to join the workshop cohort—at this link: 
https://coachingcocktails.com/osworkshop


BTW, the people who’ve already joined this cohort are already 
passionate about Open Space and they are experienced facilitators (like 
most people who participate on this list). I’m thinking this 
cohort’s work together is going to be be very rich and 
transformational itself. There’s time to add some people that are 
newer to open space into the cohort and I’d really love that.  Of 
course I welcome more experienced “old-timers” too. Let me know if 
you have questions.


Will you join us? https://coachingcocktails.com/osworkshop

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space 
has less of an impact than physical open space."


It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups 
of the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda 
m’eh. They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.


But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open 
spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve 
been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.


I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced 
impact.


I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open 
Space) that’s limiting.


I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible 
with online Open Space.


I’m also more and more convinced that  what we are learning about 
holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact 
for many different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself 
is not "open space".


I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot 
about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not 
using OST to engage the outcomes.


One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me 
is that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space.


In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space 
(and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc).  As a facilitator 
I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) 
that’s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they’re making to 
the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was 
already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m 
smiling when I say "just".)


I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that 
people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building 
online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence 
are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator’s script 
for "opening" the circle).


(This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a 
couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in 
Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I 
can post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that’s more 
comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s 
later.)


On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:

I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of 
an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, 
anyone?

Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
Thomas

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Ämne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3

Re: virtual open space facilitator

Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of 
faciltators to the sponsor of the event.
It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group 
events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as 
it also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.



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  1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs)


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Dear All,   A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open
space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my
strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has
virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we 
were
both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private 
email

me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the
introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any
details. gijsvanwe...@gmail.com

Gijs van WezeL, MSc.

Supporting
Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes


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questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging

Re: [OSList] TODAY: "Flyover" of a 3-day, 400-person Open Space Conference

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Thanks Lucas,

That was a great session. I enjoyed it.

On 22 Apr 2021, at 15:27, Lucas Cioffi via OSList wrote:


Hi All,

This will be an informal, and interactive session starting in 90 
minutes

(11am Eastern / 8am Pacific) today (Thursday, April 22).

We'll be on Zoom and I'll share my screen so you can see what a
well-designed conference space looks like on Qiqo -- while it's 
happening.
We'll cover everything from the invitation process to how participants 
set

the agenda and take notes together.

Master facilitator Heidi Nobantu Saul (here on the OSLIST) designed 
this
event with her organizing team. It's their third large conference on 
Qiqo
as part of the Internet Identity Workshop series. Every iteration of 
her
event design builds on the previous one, with a focus on simplicity 
while

empowering participants.

Please join me here 
!


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[OSList] Inviting you to join an Open Space Dojo to explore Holding Remote Circles

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Hi!

I would like to invite everyone on the OSList to practice Open Space 
together with me and other colleagues in some semi-regular OSL Dojos.


The first OSL Dojo for 2021 will take place tomorrow (! short notice I 
know), and we will hold it in my circle on QiQoChat.


7 April Dojo 4:00pm - 5:30pm Berlin(cet) / 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM NYC(ET)
Find information and RSVP for QiQoChat links here: 
https://coachingcocktails.com/meetups/osldojo-2104a/?occurrence=2021-04-07



“Holding Remote Circles”

The OSL Dojo theme for tomorrow is “Holding Remote Circles”, and my 
burning question to the theme how can we make it as rich of an 
experience as being int he same room.


I’m also experimenting on the format of these dojos, and here is what 
I propose for the next few …


I will offer a mini-workshop (10 minutes or so) on a topic related to 
the Dojo’s theme.


Then we’ll collect challenges and burning questions from everyone. 
Finally, we’ll organise ourselves and attempt to find answers for our 
challenges. My preference here is towards actions. I’m inviting us to 
use this dojo space to work through challenges and try out answers 
experimentally.


The first dojos will be no-charge, but I plan to start asking a small 
fee to attend in the future. These are dojo’s I’ve wanted to create 
for the community of change-makers I hold through my business ventures. 
I would dearly love for you all to be a part.


My upcoming events are on my homepage here: 
https://coachingcocktails.com


Cheers,
Steve


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Re: [OSList] Asking for your wisdom - Leora Tushinski

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Hi Leora,

Time flies!  I see now you asked these question all the way back on 3 
March! Seems like yesterday when I planned to answer “tomorrow”.


I also see you got some great answers.

I’m holding some fairly intensive training workshops. In the workshops 
we are developing the the mindset of the Open Space Facilitator and 
applying it to facilitation or to leadership.


You said you were wondering how to "hold" the tension between the 
"freedom" in the OS method, and “purposefulness” needed in most of 
the processes. And more, how can we avoid the "loose" rules lead to 
"anarchy", especially in complex environment?


You got some great answers here that I really appreciate. I can tell you 
that the last few cohorts of our workshop really grappled with these 
same questions as facilitators — especially online (in a distributed / 
remote space) where conventional wisdom is that this already borders on 
anarchy and people have been told you need more rules online not less.


I’d like to invite you (and anyone else from this list) to an upcoming 
Open Space Leadership (OSL) workshop when you’re able to join us. 
(Details here https://coachingcocktails.com/osworkshop)


You’ll really get to dig into the exact questions you asked, and 
we’ll work together as a cohort so you that you can really develop and 
practice an understanding of some of the answers you got. (We use 
Michael Hermann’s book in the course … I think he was one of the 
people who answered. :)


The workshop is 4x 3hr online course sessions. The sessions are always 
live and instructor(that’s me)-led. I also ask you to commit to 1-3 
hours of self-study and pair work with a partner from the cohort between 
sessions. The usual fees are €684 per person, but if you book today 
it’s only €534 because of early bunny pricing


Let me know how I can answer your questions about the workshops.  Sorry 
with the holidays and what not I didn’t get a chance to tell you about 
his sooner. There are three upcoming cohorts staring this month and next 
month if you’d like to join one.


Here again is the information that’s online: 
https://coachingcocktails.com/osworkshop


Cheers,
Steve



On 3 Mar 2021, at 11:12, leora tushinski via OSList wrote:


Hello everyone,


This is my first time in the OSList and I am writing to ask for the 
wisdom

I am sure is held in this group.

My name is Leora and I'm a student of "Dialogic interventions in Large
group" , held by Tova Averbuch and Rotem Ofer.

As a manager I have a challenge (and maybe a fear): wondering how to 
"hold"
the tension between the "freedom" in the OS method,   and 
“purposefulness”

needed in most of the processes .

How can we expect to get to "bottom lines" (get the work done) when we
depend only on the people who come, and what they decide…?

  And more, how can we avoid   the "loose" rules   lead to "anarchy",
especially in complex environment?

I will appreciate your time, attention and wisdom

Thank you

Leora

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Re: [OSList] FRIDAY INVITATION: Interview with Steve Holyer: Building an Online Carnival—or a Hallway—for Fun Conversations

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Oh, this is cool. Thanks for arranging this Lucas. I’m looking forward 
to the session.


I’m sure we’ve barely scratched the service, and I keep seeing 
patterns coming up in the interactions happening around this list and 
related events like Romy’s near spontaneous "open space on remote open 
space", and the "Open Space on Peace and High Performance" with Suzanne 
Daigle and lots of folks here. Both those events were a month or so 
back.  That sure helped me create a model for the Agile Mardi Gras even 
though it wasn’t an Open Space like you said (except in the expansive 
way everything is truly Open Space.)


Plus, I invited Francois Knuchel on this list to hold the technology 
space for the event. And he agreed. \O/ I knew he’d form part of a 
"dream team" because I keep observing (spoilers) that something 
important happens when an OS Facilitator holds the technology space. i 
hope we get to explore that a bit on Friday.


Cheers,
Steve


On 4 Mar 2021, at 23:06, Lucas Cioffi wrote:


Hi All,

Tomorrow (Friday, March 5th), there's a fun and interactive interview 
with
facilitator Steve Holyer who will share his lessons learned for 
holding an

online Mardi Gras on QiqoChat for the Agile Alliance.

Everyone here on OSLIST is familiar with open space.  Steve (cc'd) is 
an OS
facilitator and a member of OSLIST.  Although this event was not an 
open
space, you will learn tips for making your online events (OS or not) 
more
social, fun, and productive by seeing a different yet related event 
type.


Steve did a fantastic job with his event and I hope you can join us 
during
the interview to ask him some questions.  The goal of these interviews 
is
to have honest conversations among facilitators about what's working 
and

what needs to be improved so that we never stop learning.

*You can RSVP and participate here
.  *I'll share the
recording at that same link a day after the event is over.
*Date: *Friday, March 5, 2021
*Start time:* 8am Pacific / 11am Eastern / 4pm UTC / 5pm Central 
European

Time
*Cost:* Free

*Session Description:*

Our challenge was to gather Agilists from around the world around a 
shared

purpose and held space for a fun party for professional networking. I
wasn’t building and hosting an Open Space Technology event, but I 
wanted to
embed Open Space principles into the experience because that’s what 
I
needed to find engagement, creativity and joy. QiQoChat enabled us to 
do

that, and as always we learned a lot of new things about opening and
holding space for celebration online.




*Lucas Cioffi*

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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Yes!

I was also thinking there was some really useful or important stuff on 
the FAQ that Peggy posted and you followed up on in another thread just 
now(ish). The FAQ had escaped my notice, or more likely fled my memory, 
til now.


Will spend some time highlighting things that strike me in the next 
couple days. (The weekend chores are pressing now.)



On 29 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Michael Herman wrote:


before you run off, steve... have you seen openspaceworld.org/oslist?
anything there strike you as more important or useful than the rest, 
for

the purpose you've framed, video or otherwise?
m

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On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:32 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

Yep. This OSList works for me. Adding my thanks to the past 
moderators,

the contributors, and Harold.

And I’m glad the openness is in keeping with this community. I 
wouldn’t

change it.

And I was online back in the 80s and for sure then 90s when listservs 
were

all the rage.

i wonder if the retro look and feel and operation of a mailing list 
is

something of a barrier to entry for folks who never participated in a
listserv discussion—or who prefer a new fangled something or other? 
I
wouldn’t change it, but could we find a welcoming (and open) way to 
invite
more people? I don’t know what that is. Maybe just a youtube video 
on how
to connect with the community via the mailing list. (Even having 
Harrison’s
response on the history and openness of the list helps me connect to 
the
list and not be put off by it. I appreciate it more after reading 
this
thread, and I appreciate it before. So maybe just a way to to pin 
Harrisons
words to the signup and archive page would be useful. I think just 
pinning
a long threaded list of messages to include this whole thread 
wouldn’t
really speak to the people who might be put off by long list of mails 
in a
thread already :D — but a summary, or a video with some choice 
quotes could

be helpful! ;)

I’m not passionate enough about this issue to be the person to find 
an
answer. (Or is it not responsible enough to stick around on this 
question.)

Don’t want to put more load on Harold either.

And I think this is a question worth asking at least, to see how 
it’s

answered.

Cheers,
Steve

On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:59, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a 
very

effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.

Cheers,
Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for 
sure
it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably 
existed as

long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space 
(that
would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a 
marvelous

job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ?
(20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...

ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do 
better.

Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But 
looking
at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the 
first one

in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV (
osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.

Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list 
still

exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many 
messages

have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. 
Harold
has managed this so that we still have and can search every message 
ever

sent through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the 
total is
now. I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that 
number,

Harold?

Thanks, Michael

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, 
and the

independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and 
also to

those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the 
archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every 
post
gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When 
something
that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the ar

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Yep. This OSList works for me. Adding my thanks to the past moderators, 
the contributors, and Harold.


And I’m glad the openness is in keeping with this community. I 
wouldn’t change it.


And I was online back in the 80s and for sure then 90s when listservs 
were all the rage.


i wonder if the retro look and feel and operation of a mailing list is 
something of a barrier to entry for folks who never participated in a 
listserv discussion—or who prefer a new fangled something or other? I 
wouldn’t change it, but could we find a welcoming (and open) way to 
invite more people? I don’t know what that is. Maybe just a youtube 
video on how to connect with the community via the mailing list. (Even 
having Harrison’s response on the history and openness of the list 
helps me connect to the list  and not be put off by it. I appreciate it 
more after reading this thread, and I appreciate it before. So maybe 
just a way to to pin Harrisons words to the signup and archive page 
would be useful. I think just pinning a long threaded list of messages 
to include this whole thread wouldn’t really speak to the people who 
might be put off by long list of mails in a thread already :D — but a 
summary, or a video with some choice quotes could be helpful! ;)


I’m not passionate enough about this issue to be the person to find an 
answer. (Or is it not responsible enough to stick around on this 
question.) Don’t want to put more load on Harold either.


And I think this is a question worth asking at least, to see how it’s 
answered.


Cheers,
Steve

On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:59, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very 
effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.


Cheers,
Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for 
sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably 
existed as long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries 
the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open 
Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has 
done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has 
worked for ? (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...


ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 wrote:

Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better. 
Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.


I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But 
looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since 
the first one in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University 
LISTSERV (osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.


Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list 
still exists in this open, free, independent way.


And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many 
messages have we posted here so far?


Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. 
Harold has managed this so that we still have and can search every 
message ever sent through the list. Amazing!


I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total 
is now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that 
number, Harold?


Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 
 wrote:

Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and 
the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that 
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also 
to those who preceded you.


A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow 
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post 
gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something 
that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to 
see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by 
topic access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the 
years.


in genuine contact,
Birgitt

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Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants
Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership 
development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.

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Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times......

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Count me in if it works out timewise.

I’m in Central Europe so 12 Noon EST (New York/Toronto) is 6PM my 
time.  Anything starting before 2PM EST (and ending when it ends :) 
works for me.


I can’t get enough of QiqoChat (which is Zoom-based but offers some 
nice features for seeing the butterflies and hearing the buzz of the 
bumblebees—not ti mention collecting the posters on the walls).  
I’ve held several open spaces on QiqoChat, keeping it simple is key 
(for me.


The difference between Zoom and face to face, is before you prepare the 
walls and put the chairs in a circle — you have to build the whole 
room first. That turns out to be an enabling constraint for me.


I also teach an Open Space facilitation course online that uses QiqoChat 
for the course meeting space. (We touch on online facilitation because, 
duh. But the course is about holding space in general not specifically 
online faciltatation.  We we work with Micheal Herman’s and Chris 
Corrigan’s books (not to mention the OS Guide).


So yeah count me in if it starts at the right time!

Cheers,
Steve

On 10 Jan 2021, at 19:31, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:


Greetings yall. Interested from California, where a friend and I are
hatching a plan. Same time zone as Chris.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:51 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:


Hi friends!
Would love to join you. I’ve used OS online quite a bit and would 
be

curious about your ideas and thoughts.
Mostly used QiqoChat or Zoom/Google docs and tried Teams for OST too
Thomas (on CET)

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I would like to participate as well from Istanbul.

Funda

Michael Herman via OSList , 10 Oca 
2021

Paz, 20:42 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

Great call, Romy!  I’m in too.  And just one time zone click from 
Chris
and Peggy.  Sooner the better, for me.  Planning some more meetings 
now.

Michael


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:35 Peggy Holman via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

Lovely to see you here Romy!

I’m game to be in a conversation. Since I’m in the same time zone 
as
Chris, though across a border, if the time works for him, it works 
for me.


I’ve just used Zoom and Google docs for the breakout spaces. You 
can see

an example from a gathering on journalism education that matters
 that was
turned into a website after the convening. The session notes were 
once

Google docs.

Peggy




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On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

If the time zones work, I’d be interested. My crew is doing OST 
events
with Zoom and Miro (and Google Slides) and we could share some 
stories.


It works far better than I would have expected.

 Chris

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:59 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

Hello lovely OS world and extended family….

Apologies for being absent for SO long….. I lurk occasionally and 
enJOY
seeing you there, sharing wisdom so brilliantly and inspiringly. 
Thank you.


Seeing Funda’s posting…. I would LOVE to have a conversation 
(dare I say
Zoom ?!!) with OS people about how to make OS the best it possibly 
can be
in an online world. I know that Phelim and the Improbable crew have 
done

some online work. If anyone might be interested in talking about such
things, I would love it….

Many thanks

Romy


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Re: [OSList] Request for feedback - What to do when team members are afraid to call topics?

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Hi Jake,

Some questions

* How realistic are the team’s fears (in your opinion)?
- Would leadership retaliate against the team?
- Why would they retaliate?
- Which topics/questions are "safe"?
- Which topics/questions does the team think/know bring retaliation?

* How are the "leadership" in question working to sponsor and 
participate the event?

- And, how are you working with them before the event?

How I want to approach it…

I wonder how you create the event with the sponsors in advance. And I 
wonder if you have a compelling question and invitation for every event.


In your shoes I would do these things. I often see people skipping at 
least some of these things so I list everything that comes to mind, 
excuse me if you’re already doing all of them:


* I would be sure the leaders are "sponsoring" each event.

* I would want to start working with the leaders/sponsors about 2 months 
out in your scenario (as soon as you complete one event, start working 
on the next one by engaging the sponsors).


* As usual, I would help the leaders / sponsors identify a compelling 
theme (urgent, complex/many answers not just 1, controversial/something 
that sparks passion and triggers responsibility across the teams and 
"leaders").


* And also, I would help the leaders / sponsors craft the invitation to 
the next event clearly stating the question & clearly committing to HOW 
they will respond to the outcomes. I would ask them to make this part of 
a "written" invitation that they (the VPs) send to everyone  involved in 
the event (by email engraving not required).


 I hope that there are no limits to what can be raised in the Open 
Space, but if there are limits (and you say people are afraid that there 
are discussions that will be punished—so yeah they perceive hard 
limits) I would ask the sponsors to clearly state what is allowed (and 
if you can swing it what is not allowed). Granted, it’s not ideal, but 
I believe if there are constraints on what’s allowed into the space, 
then you create safety by helping the sponsors name and acknowledge the 
constraints and show what they are. (Also gives you an opportunity in 
advance to invite them to be more open by pointing out how the off-limit 
topics close the space.)


 To balance the fear of retaliation, you give the group more 
information to organise themselves to go where it’s safe to go—and 
also not to avoid where it’s not safe. Of course, if they are avoiding 
key controversial subjects this is definitely closing space, but it’s 
at least helpful to be explicit about what’s open and what’s closed. 
I feel like you’re helping open the remaining space by asking the 
sponsors to clearly point out what is open and what is closed. (The 
sponsor’s must do it because it’s the facilitators job to hold the 
space open.)


* I would ask the sponsors to be explicit about what they commit to do 
with the outcomes of the open space after the event.


* I’ve experienced Open Space as a powerful laboratory type 
environment that helps everyone (leaders team members — all equal in 
the circle) to experience true self-organisation for the first time. 
(And it’s a side effect of using Open Space to solve real problems 
rather than the end goal in itself.) If you are doing the things above 
to open space and your organisation’s hierarchy is still interfering 
you may simply need to acknowledge that is the only thing that can 
happen right now.


* If what ever happens is the only thing that could happen", then I find 
it’s usually the only thing that *must* happen. Some folks (ORSC 
coaches mainly) say "every voice is the voice of the system …" So what 
are the voices in the system telling everyone when they remain silent 
when it’s time to propose topics? They are speaking to all the 
participants (including the sponsors / leaders).
— what does that say to your organisation about hierarchy and 
leadership
— what else could the silent voice be saying about your system? Do you 
know for sure "fear of retaliation" is the problem? Or are these voices 
saying something else important for the system? (The question isn’t 
clear?  The question isn’t compelling? The sponsor’s don’t support 
the outcomes? The Open Space EVENT is fine, but we’re constrained by 
the hierarchy the rest of the time? We’re sleepy?)


(Depending on other issues — like are you all remote right now or in 
the same place — I also might consider trying a longer Open Space. 
It’s hard for me to get into full swing when you have to do the whole 
thing in half a day. I recognise it might be hard to get sponsors’ 
commitment for more time.)


Have you looked into Michal Hermann’s "Inviting Leadership Guide?" I 
rely on it for questions like these: 
https://www.michaelherman.com/publications/inviting_leadership_guide.pdf


We also explore this deeply in the Open Space Leadership course I offer. 
We’re forming a new cohort for mid-October. I want to invite you to 
register and bring this question to work on 

[OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

Hi Ya'll,

Yesterday, I checked Wikipedia for a quick encyclopedic description of 
Open Space Technology.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology

It seems that several edits were made in the last 6 months ago or so.  
Up until mid 2019 I thought the wikipedia entry was good (if lacking in 
some nuance out of necessity). After changes, the current entry 
describes a very unusual Open Space. The Open Space it describes is not 
an Open Space that I want to be a part of.


I recognise Wikipedia is not going to be perfect, but I feel like the 
current entry is actually misleading, and I think it's harmful.  I'd 
like to do something about that.


I'm raising this to the OSLIST because I see that Harrison, Chris 
Corrigan and others were actively making edits on the Wikipedia entry 
and discussing it on this list between 2008 and 2015 at least. I don' 
see anyone from this community working on this now (although I could 
have missed some signs). However, I know there is  history and 
experience here dealing with the Wikipedia ecosystem.


If it's a good use of time and energy, I can help make edits to the 
page, but my question is how would we approach this as member of the 
community on OSLIST? What experience and history can members here bring 
to bear.


(Btw this IS my first posting to OLIST, but I've been lurking around, 
and meeting different parts of

this community online and face to face.)

That's the gist of my question. A few details/examples follow my 
signature.


Cheers,
Steve

A few of the more outrageous details/examples (IMO)

There is text that appears to describe the sponsor introducing paid 
speakers in the opening. (I don't think a circle is mentioned).


In fact, the article keeps referring to the "speakers" and the "speaking 
schedule", which gives me the impression that Open Space is a talking 
head conference that's simply easier to organise because you don't have 
to make speaker schedules in advance.


This statement from the article seems antithetical to Open Space 
Technology to me: "At the end of the best open space meetings, a 
debriefing document is compiled summarizing what worked and what did not 
work, so the process can go more smoothly next time ... Constant 
improvement of meeting design is vital for attendees to feel taken care 
of and to creating the perception of value from the meeting 
proceedings."


The article claims to be paraphrasing Micheal Hermann's post here at 
OSWorld 
https://web.archive.org/web/20150518200725/http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/ 
by stating: "Several meaningful outcomes can and should be specifically 
built into the process (safety, trust, courtesy)". I don't Michael says 
anything of the sort. Don't think he would. But if he does say it, he 
doesn't say it in the post referenced by the citation.

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