Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old habits 
die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that somebody is in 
charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the predictable arrives as 
prognosticated. Or something.

 

Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can 
understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy. Open 
Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has for 
millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself (at least 
in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those “meeting planners” 
to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the participants manifest in 
the presumption that they (the “planning Committee”) alone possess the keys to 
knowledge and action… that they alone could ask the pertinent questions for 
which they will supply the only answers, personally or through imported 
“experts.”  --  is soul numbing. Sad.

 

Harrison 

 

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Eva P 
Svensson via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Eva P Svensson
Subject: Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

 

Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!

 

Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how frustrated 
I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell our name and 
two topic that we would like to talk about (without any obligation to bring 
them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and read 
what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout sessions. Then we were 
asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was a good idea  - and not if 
it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all participants with a topic and 
no one raised their hand…!

Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was 
out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the time 
was over…

And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…

Oh my - what an interesting experience …

Hugs

:o)

Eva


Bästa hälsningar

 

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organisationer"

 

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3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:

 

Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process that 
gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."

https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology



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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Good for you Eva! Laughing with you

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 4:14 PM Eva P Svensson via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Ha ha,
> well you know Birgitt - I learned a lot about myself and my love for an
> inviting environment, for letting people take responsibility, to have the
> freedom to talk as long as there was energy, how difficult it is with
> tables and more :-)
> Hugs back
> :o)
> Eva
>
> Bästa hälsningar
>
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
>
> *EPS Human Invest AB*
> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>
>
> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående
> företag och organisationer"*
>
>
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:30 skrev Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Okay folks, how come y'all are not using your Law of Two Feet?? If you are
> not learning something or contributing, time to move on. I believe that we
> all learned that from a master. If it doesn't have heart and meaning to me,
> I am out of 'there'.
>
> Hugs all around,
> Birgitt
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> The term "bar camp" came from the old engineering term FUBAR "fouled up
>> beyond all recognition."
>>
>> The first word is actually not "fouled."
>>
>> I've facilitated real OST bar camps as have others.
>>
>> But it's ironic and tragic to fubar an open space!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 11:29 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good lord.
>>>
>>> I think that "Open Space with a twist” is what is currently known as “A
>>> Conference.”
>>>
>>> Shocking really.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Phelim McDermott via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...
>>>
>>> It’s not a duck.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Phelim McDermott
>>> -
>>>  I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working
>>> day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent
>>> please call me on 07956 187298.
>>> ___/
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>>>
>>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
>>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>>>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
>>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
>>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
>>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
>>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
>>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
>>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
>>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
>>> the time was over…
>>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
>>> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>>> Hugs
>>> :o)
>>> Eva
>>>
>>> Bästa hälsningar
>>>
>>>
>>> Eva P Svensson
>>>
>>>
>>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående
>>> företag och organisationer"*
>>>
>>>
>>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>>
>>> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor
>>> till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>>
>>> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
>>> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*
>>> "
>>>
>>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Eva P Svensson via OSList]

Ha ha,
well you know Birgitt - I learned a lot about myself and my love for an 
inviting environment, for letting people take responsibility, to have the 
freedom to talk as long as there was energy, how difficult it is with tables 
and more :-)
Hugs back
:o)
Eva

Bästa hälsningar
 
Eva P Svensson
 
EPS Human Invest AB
Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
 
"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och 
organisationer"
 
Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
www.epshumaninvest.se 
Skype: eva.p.svensson
Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
twitter:@EvaPSvensson

"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, 
och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates








> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 21:30 skrev Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> :
> 
> Okay folks, how come y'all are not using your Law of Two Feet?? If you are 
> not learning something or contributing, time to move on. I believe that we 
> all learned that from a master. If it doesn't have heart and meaning to me, I 
> am out of 'there'.
> 
> Hugs all around,
> Birgitt
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList 
> > 
> wrote:
> The term "bar camp" came from the old engineering term FUBAR "fouled up 
> beyond all recognition." 
> 
> The first word is actually not "fouled." 
> 
> I've facilitated real OST bar camps as have others. 
> 
> But it's ironic and tragic to fubar an open space!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 11:29 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList 
> > 
> wrote:
> Good lord.
> 
> I think that "Open Space with a twist” is what is currently known as “A 
> Conference.”
> 
> Shocking really.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Phelim McDermott via OSList 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...
>> 
>> It’s not a duck.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Phelim McDermott
>> -
>>  I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working 
>> day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent 
>> please call me on 07956 187298. 
>> ___/
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>>> 
>>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
>>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  
>>> tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
>>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a 
>>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min 
>>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that 
>>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up 
>>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
>>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time 
>>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that 
>>> the time was over…
>>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
>>> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>>> Hugs
>>> :o)
>>> Eva
>>> 
>>> Bästa hälsningar
>>>  
>>> Eva P Svensson
>>>  
>>> EPS Human Invest AB
>>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>>>  
>>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
>>> och organisationer"
>>>  
>>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>>> www.epshumaninvest.se 
>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>> 
>>> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
>>> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
 >:
 
 Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
 that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
 
 https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Okay folks, how come y'all are not using your Law of Two Feet?? If you are
not learning something or contributing, time to move on. I believe that we
all learned that from a master. If it doesn't have heart and meaning to me,
I am out of 'there'.

Hugs all around,
Birgitt

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> The term "bar camp" came from the old engineering term FUBAR "fouled up
> beyond all recognition."
>
> The first word is actually not "fouled."
>
> I've facilitated real OST bar camps as have others.
>
> But it's ironic and tragic to fubar an open space!
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 11:29 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Good lord.
>>
>> I think that "Open Space with a twist” is what is currently known as “A
>> Conference.”
>>
>> Shocking really.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Phelim McDermott via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...
>>
>> It’s not a duck.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Phelim McDermott
>> -
>>  I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working
>> day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent
>> please call me on 07956 187298.
>> ___/
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>>
>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
>> the time was over…
>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
>> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>> Hugs
>> :o)
>> Eva
>>
>> Bästa hälsningar
>>
>>
>> Eva P Svensson
>>
>>
>> *EPS Human Invest AB*
>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>>
>>
>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående
>> företag och organisationer"*
>>
>>
>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>
>> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor
>> till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
>> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*
>> "
>>
>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

The term "bar camp" came from the old engineering term FUBAR "fouled up
beyond all recognition."

The first word is actually not "fouled."

I've facilitated real OST bar camps as have others.

But it's ironic and tragic to fubar an open space!

Jeff

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 11:29 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Good lord.
>
> I think that "Open Space with a twist” is what is currently known as “A
> Conference.”
>
> Shocking really.
>
> Chris
>
> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Phelim McDermott via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...
>
> It’s not a duck.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Phelim McDermott
> -
>  I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working
> day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent
> please call me on 07956 187298.
> ___/
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>
> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
> the time was over…
> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
> Hugs
> :o)
> Eva
>
> Bästa hälsningar
>
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
>
> *EPS Human Invest AB*
> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>
>
> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående
> företag och organisationer"*
>
>
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*"
>
> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

Good lord.

I think that "Open Space with a twist” is what is currently known as “A 
Conference.”

Shocking really.

Chris

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Phelim McDermott via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...
> 
> It’s not a duck.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Phelim McDermott
> -
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> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>> 
>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell 
>> our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a 
>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min 
>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that 
>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up 
>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time 
>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that 
>> the time was over…
>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
>> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>> Hugs
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> 
>> Bästa hälsningar
>>  
>> Eva P Svensson
>>  
>> EPS Human Invest AB
>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>>  
>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
>> och organisationer"
>>  
>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se 
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>> 
>> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
>> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>>> >:
>>> 
>>> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
>>> that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
>>> 
>>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology 
>>> 
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...

It’s not a duck.

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> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
> 
> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell 
> our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic 
> - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout 
> sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was 
> a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all 
> participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was 
> out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the 
> time was over…
> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
> Hugs
> :o)
> Eva
> 
> Bästa hälsningar
>  
> Eva P Svensson
>  
> EPS Human Invest AB
> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>  
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
> och organisationer"
>  
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
> 
> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>> :
>> 
>> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
>> that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
>> 
>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>> 
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Eva P Svensson via OSList]

Barry… thank’s for trying :-)
:D


Bästa hälsningar
 
Eva P Svensson
 
EPS Human Invest AB
Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
 
"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och 
organisationer"
 
Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
www.epshumaninvest.se 
Skype: eva.p.svensson
Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
twitter:@EvaPSvensson

"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, 
och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates








> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 15:01 skrev Barry Owen via OSList 
> :
> 
> Oh Eva . . . I have been a co-host of an annual REALTOR event here in 
> Nashville for the past 8 years . . . REBarcampNashville.com 
> 
> This Friday is our 8th one, and I cannot report that I am excited about it.
> As much as I would like be able to change the format to OST, that cannot 
> happen because this is somewhat of a "Cult Following event" that happens all 
> around the country, and ours in Nashville is FAMOUS for being the BEST.
> Every iteration of it has been more "controlled" . . . "Speakers" flying in 
> from everywhere to impart their great knowledge to the plebs . . . Probably 
> 1/2 of the agenda is already scheduled even though the "promise" is that the 
> participants will be handed a sheet of paper as they arrive on Friday with 2 
> Questions: What do you want to learn? and What do you want to teach?
> I always claim a couple of time slots back to back and use them for an hour 
> and half mini-open space around an important issue we are facing in our 
> market - My sessions are always PACKED because I do a 10 minute opening and 
> then get out of their way, and these folks are like ducks to water . . . and 
> real things happen.
> 
> Just a little OST oasis in the vast desert
> 
> Barry Owen
> Real Estate Strategist
> CEO/Principal Broker
> Pareto Realty, LLC \pə-ˈrā-(ˌ)tō\ 
> 
> The Vital Few
> 4012 Hillsboro Pike #5
> Nashville, TN 37215 
> Office: 615-502-2080 <>
> Connect: 615-568-2123 <>
> BarryOwensBlog.com 
> BarrysDriveTime.com 
> 
> Inviter - Facilitator/Practicer of Open Space Technology 
> Opening & Holding safe space for people and organizations to self-organize 
> around important issues and opportunities. 
> Invite - Listen - Love
> Pareto Realty is a residential real estate sales firm that supports member 
> agents in building and growing consistently productive niche businesses as 
> they enjoy the healthy life rhythm they want and deserve.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:46 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
> > 
> wrote:
> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
> 
> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell 
> our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic 
> - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout 
> sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was 
> a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all 
> participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was 
> out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the 
> time was over…
> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
> Hugs
> :o)
> Eva
> 
> Bästa hälsningar
>  
> Eva P Svensson
>  
> EPS Human Invest AB
> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>  
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
> och organisationer"
>  
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se 
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
> 
> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>> >:
>> 
>> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
>> that 

Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Barry Owen via OSList]

Oh Eva . . . I have been a co-host of an annual REALTOR event here in
Nashville for the past 8 years . . . REBarcampNashville.com
This Friday is our 8th one, and I cannot report that I am excited about it.
As much as I would like be able to change the format to OST, that cannot
happen because this is somewhat of a "Cult Following event" that happens
all around the country, and ours in Nashville is FAMOUS for being the BEST.
Every iteration of it has been more "controlled" . . . "Speakers" flying in
from everywhere to impart their great knowledge to the plebs . . . Probably
1/2 of the agenda is already scheduled even though the "promise" is that
the participants will be handed a sheet of paper as they arrive on Friday
with 2 Questions: What do you want to learn? and What do you want to teach?
I always claim a couple of time slots back to back and use them for an hour
and half mini-open space around an important issue we are facing in our
market - My sessions are always PACKED because I do a 10 minute opening and
then get out of their way, and these folks are like ducks to water . . .
and real things happen.

Just a little OST oasis in the vast desert

*Barry Owen*
*Real Estate Strategist*
CEO/Principal Broker
*Pareto Realty, LLC *\pə-ˈrā-(ˌ)tō\

*The Vital Few*
4012 Hillsboro Pike #5
Nashville, TN 37215
Office: 615-502-2080
Connect: *615-568-2123*
*BarryOwensBlog.com *
*BarrysDriveTime.com *

*Inviter - Facilitator/Practicer of Open Space Technology*
Opening & Holding safe space for people and organizations to self-organize
around important issues and opportunities.
*Invite - Listen - Love*

*Pareto Realty is a residential real estate sales firm that supports member
agents in building and growing consistently productive niche businesses as
they enjoy the healthy life rhythm they want and deserve.*

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:46 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>
> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
> the time was over…
> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
> Hugs
> :o)
> Eva
>
> Bästa hälsningar
>
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
>
> *EPS Human Invest AB*
> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc*
>
>
> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående
> företag och organisationer"*
>
>
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>
> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*"
>
> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Eva P Svensson via OSList]

Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!

Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how frustrated 
I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell our name and 
two topic that we would like to talk about (without any obligation to bring 
them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and read 
what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout sessions. Then we were 
asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was a good idea  - and not if 
it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all participants with a topic and 
no one raised their hand…!
Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was 
out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the time 
was over…
And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
Oh my - what an interesting experience …
Hugs
:o)
Eva

Bästa hälsningar
 
Eva P Svensson
 
EPS Human Invest AB
Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
 
"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och 
organisationer"
 
Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
www.epshumaninvest.se 
Skype: eva.p.svensson
Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
twitter:@EvaPSvensson

"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, 
och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates








> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
> :
> 
> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
> that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
> 
> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology 
> 
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