Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread silky
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM, DotNet Dude wrote: > Would LLBLGen still be your choice when only custom stored > procedures are used? Depends how "only" only is. It's hard for me to answer this unbiasedly. I would say "yes" still, but that's because I know I wouldn't be using "only" custom sto

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread DotNet Dude
Would LLBLGen still be your choice when only custom stored procedures are used? On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM, silky wrote: >> This question seemed to diverge off into the Linq direction, but I didn't >> see anyone confirm or deny if nHibernate is the way to go or not. >> >> Some time ago I wr

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Maddin
>> I'll be needing to decide what to invest my time into. latest EF? nHibernate? llbgen? Any further comments on what to use? I know (and love) Linq. >> I'm not an expert but with LinqPad and Resharper I get by. Linq is amazing. Mentioned in a previous post that I was using EntitySpaces 2010 w

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread Filip Kratochvil
I'm using NHibernate with ASP.NET MVC and with WCF REST services and I'm very happy with it. There is lots more info available these days on the net about setting up and running NH, but the learning curve is definitely there. There are also some extra add ons available (Fluent NHibernate, NH Vali

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread Stephen Price
This question seemed to diverge off into the Linq direction, but I didn't see anyone confirm or deny if nHibernate is the way to go or not. Some time ago I wrote an app and used Linq to SQL and was really happy with how simple it made things. Then there was the on again off again future of Linq to

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-14 Thread linas
Hello Les, You must check out llblgen The time savings are amazing. It is worth every cent. It is a mature, reliable product. It is sooo much easier than nhibernate. Linq is not a data layer - it is a very useful thing, well worth knowing, but it does not address your needs. Llblgen wor

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Les Hughes
Nic Roche wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb688085.aspx Nic http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb688085.aspx == http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb688085.aspx I think the 'vcsharp' and 'vbasic' directories are just virtual dirs meant for making more readable/sear

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Nic Roche
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb688085.aspx Nic Subject: RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:47:56 +1000 From: ben.robb...@jlta.com.au To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Great link Corneliu, do you know if there is an equivalent page for C

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Anthony
llblgen From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 12:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc +1 for LINQPad and LINQ. If you do try LINQPad (which is

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Greg Low (greglow.com)
: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc I have never considered using LINQ to SQL because it was worthless in n-tier scenarios where the classes could not be serialized away from the context. (is this still the case?) Greg

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Peter Maddin
Currently using EntitySpaces 2010 for our data access layer http://www.entityspaces.net/Portal/Default.aspx Has support for LINQ. Very happy with the product. Support is great. Does cost, unlike nHibernate, but its not that expensive. You could also check out lightspeed (http://www.mindscape

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Greg Keogh
Get a hold of LinqPAD (www.linqpad.net) and you won't look back. Great for learning LINQ and for experimenting. Having spent a lot of yesterday trying to get a .nettiers project compiling, I'm so thankful for LINQ. I have enjoyed the way the netTiers generated classes are binary seriali

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Michael Minutillo
: > +1 for LINQPad > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Tusler > *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:20 > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > > *Subject:* RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread James Chapman-Smith
+1 for LINQPad From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Tusler Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:20 To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc Get a hold of LinqPAD (www.linqpad.net) and you

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Dylan Tusler
to:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of ben.robb...@jlta.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:48 AM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc Great link Corneliu, do you know if there is an equivalent page for C#? After a bit of Googling

RE: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Ben.Robbins
-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 7:14 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc I think the simplest/lightest/quickest way to craft an ORM over a DB is LINQ to SQL

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Corneliu I. Tusnea
I think the simplest/lightest/quickest way to craft an ORM over a DB is LINQ to SQL. You can't make it any simpler that than. I don't understand why MS stopped developing. They try too hard to move in the "we love everyone and every db camp at the expense of our own SQL". Have this page open all

Re: Advice for Data Access - Hibernate/Linq/Fluent/etc

2010-07-13 Thread Peter Arvoll
Hi Les I my opinion LINQ is worth the learning curve because it allows fairly rapid development of applications compared to an application with dedicated business objects and associated stored procedures. We code generate all of our data acces objects and stored procedures but when there's a chang