RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread 罗格雷格博士
But that’s my point. Agreed, it’s not necessarily anything to do with whether the project fails. We know that. It’s the backside protection that is improved by the external certification, not necessarily the project outcome. That said, I do see a large number of projects that have in fact

RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
Do many IT projects fail because of the lack of externally certified competency? I’m not sure they do. I’ve seen projects fail because requirements were uncertain (or changed), or scope changed, or complexity was underestimated, or best effort “guesses” based on incomplete information at the

RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
Whilst you are right that Tony is conflating professionalism with desirable employee attributes, I think you’re also conflating professionalism with “avoidance of high failure rates in IT projects” – there are many “professional” endeavours that have failures (whether it be accounting issues

Re: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Les Hughes
> And I think that for a graduate visa, there is now a > requirement of this ACS Professional Year Program Really? If so: What a scam. Rent seeking should be opposed in all of its forms. In my opinion, it's fantastic that IT (unlike most others) has been able to resist capture by some

Re: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Yann VINCENT
The ACS certification can be important/required regarding immigration process. For a skilled visa, I had to get a skills assessment from ACS for instance. And I think that for a graduate visa, there is now a requirement of this ACS Professional Year Program

RE: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Tony Wright
Point taken. I just have a problem with the whole idea that because someone is a member of a professional body it is supposed to make them competent. In 20 years I have only once seen a job that specifically said ACS was desired and that was for a government job. Which kind of means it is

Re: [OT] ACS - relevant?

2016-02-29 Thread Tony Wright
I somehow don't think being a member of the ACS suddenly gives you any more professionalism than any other person in the IT sector. In fact, having read resumes of hundreds of people I think I've only ever seen one that said they were a member of the ACS. But alas, that person did not have the