Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper

Hi Deb, I have heard of multiple foetuses that have since died in utero and while most get reabsorbed, some organs and body tissues can be bizzarely absorbed by the living foetus and go on to be born.  It is very common (I believe 1:5 pregnancies start off as twins or more) and only one foet

[ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria

Tina, or anyone else who know,   I’m curious to know how (or if) the insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved.     I would also urge people to be careful about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the Nurses Bo

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

Very nearly, Marilyn!  Wish I wasn't given this job! Barbara - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls Please, please don't let anyone have

[ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper

I came across a single paragraph in the Weekly Telegraph (i.e. the overseas weekly version of the UK Daily Telegraph) about a six month old baby boy in China  who was operated on because of a distended stomach.  A dead fetus of 3lb was found in the boy's stomach.  Dr's said the dead baby grew insid

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

Hi Jo, Thanks for your reply. Well done you! I reckon that early discharge is the answer, so that the doctors can't get their hands on the babies! Irene __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email a

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

Thanks for your reply Marilyn. It is 'routine' here to weigh on day 3 whether mum is diabetic or not. Personally, I think it just stresses the mums out and they begin to get anxious and then the 'rot' sets in. I was interested to hear that you only weigh on day 7, depending on the progress as

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

Irene,   I realise this is a totally isolated incident, but just for comparison...   Baby #1 - born May 99 at St. Vincents Private in Melb. was born at 3830g, got down to 3350.  His delivery was instrumental (due to PE diagnosed in labour) and I lost a litre of blood from episiotomy which tor

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

I guess my question would be why are you weighing babies on day 3? Unless your babies are not peeing, pooping, are lethargic, irritable, and not feeding, WHY? Our routine to weigh babies in Seattle was at birth and then on day 7. Now of course a baby with the symptoms mentioned above would be weig

[ozmidwifery] SMH Letter

Hi, Got this one in - intended to make people aware before they read the same kinds of comments about NMAP!! Shall we take bets on the first message of a similar ilk to be sighted/heard after September 24? - Sydney Morning Herald September 9, 2002 Predictable diagnosis

Re: [ozmidwifery] legal issues

I too asked about my situation - I could say that it may not have been necesary to do the c/s if they had ruptured the membrane or at least examined me within 8 hours of getting to the hospital (they didn't but the dr was busy!) I could say that the dr had s

[ozmidwifery] Fw: New Virus

 I am not sure if this is real or not, but better safe than sorry... Rhonda. New Virus    FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, "WTC" STANDS FOR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER..WHICH MAKES THIS VIRUS REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN

Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

Is this in a hospital?  Check the mothers diets!  What is on the menu for them?  I am sure that most hospital diets are not "breastfeeding friendly".   Just my thoughts   Rhonda.   ---Original Message---   F

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bottled water

>>(distilled water) : it contains no minerals and>>will actually leach them from your body. Spring/mineral waters contain inorganic minerals which the body cannot use, or get rid of  very well. Distilled water leaches these inorganic minerals from the body - which is actually beneficial.  The wat

[ozmidwifery] Fw: Why men are not secretaries

      Read it out aloud if you don't get it. Typical Male.       Husband's note on refrigerator to his wife:       "Someone from the Guyna Colleges called.    They said the Pabst beer is normal.    I didn't even know you liked beer."

Re: [ozmidwifery] virus

I was having terrible troubles with same till I downloaded the free anti-virus software from:   www.grisoft.com   Never looked back! aviva   - Original Message - From: Robin Moon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] virus i"m sorry, i

[ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more than 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyone else out there experiencing this and are there any studies on this subject. This is particularly babies of caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed light on this for me? Irene Munro Alice Spri

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound

Sounds like an interesting read. What does AIMS stand for? Any idea when it was published (roughly)? Thanks, Jen --- Mary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "We read the AIMS booklet on ultrasound," It is called "ultrasound, unsound" MM __ Do

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

Dear All   I wrote to the President of the ABA (several times) and got no reply!I   I had a poster display and gave out information about the Community Midwifery Program WA at the national ABA conference last year in Brisbane. The response was, as always overwhelming in wanting this option

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

Just goes to show how quickly the research changes. I just graduated and we were taught never to rely on any u/s other than a first trimester u/s for dating (and that only if the mom had no idea of dates as referred to previously). The research just 6 months ago was saying +/- 2weeks at 18 -

Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis

It is important to empty the breast and the most efficiant way is with the baby correctly attached Denise - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis Any of the lactatio

[ozmidwifery] Make the PM support NMAP

Dear All Does any one have an e-mail address for John Howard?   We need to bombard him, SC, ML & BB with requests to support !!  I have sent the e-mail below via his site feedback boxes at http://www.pm.gov.au/your_feedback/feedback.htm   and the Copies to meg lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL P

RE: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife

Title: Message Mary,   I have had an independent midwifery practice in the Bendigo area for many years but in May I decided to formally retire from clinical practice.   There is no birth centre as such anymore.    However, despite the insurance difficulties, one midwife has started indepen

RE: [ozmidwifery] Active Birthing

Title: Message Aviva...just had a wander through your website...fantastic to read of your adventures!  With love and Warm Wishes...Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:46 AMT

RE: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ? Have to support Brenda's comments.  I am working for a Large Council at present, solving all their breastfeeding problems in the home.  Home visiting is the key element so that women don't have to be dragged out of their homes again after dischar

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound

Dear Larissa: I think this sort of "extra" medical care exists in all parts of the "medical industry" they (whoever they may be doctors, pr people advertisers, martketeers) have created a population of "worried well" who just want to be sure nothing is wrong at any stage of our lives. Partly I thi

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

MY feelings exactly, I didn't think I could put my first response on the list. marilyn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ? In a message da

Re: [ozmidwifery] legal issues

Jo, After the birth of my first child I asked a lawyer friend of mine about the likelihood of sueing my OB for subjecting me and my son to an unnecessary induction (3hrs after natural ROM with no indicators of problems - ie infection, meconium etc), and without fully informing me of the risks of

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

Hi Marilyn and everyone, Ref the dating.  I checked with my other half who is a sonographer and he agreed that US up to 20wks is accurate for dating.  He indicated that US at 20wks was usually +/- 3 days, earlier than this it was +/- 5-7days and later than this could vary considerably - especially

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds and dating

Hi Jo, I agree that professionals (often docs) don't listen to mothers enough about dates of conception, instead relying on u/s dates. And this is the beginning of negating the mother's experience and knowledge of her pregancy as far as I'm concerned. Where I work an LMP date almost seems su

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

  That's a great idea and one which would certainly validate the "need" for this early invasive procedure. Another U/S practice which has been creeping in over this side of the continent (and please share if it is happening in your neck of the woods) is the abdo U/S at each antenatal visit f

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound

In a message dated 9/8/02 8:01:19 PM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I refused ultrasounds with both pregnancies. I wanted proof that they could not possibly do my babies any harm. As with all things, there are two sides to every coin. Without ultrasound, my youngest chil

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ? Perhaps you could also try reading ABA's Code of Ethics, which may help you understand the direction they are coming from when deciding to remain apolitical.  I can fully understand the logic behind the concern relating to the breastfeeding knowledge

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound

"We read the AIMS booklet on ultrasound," It is called "ultrasound, unsound" MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds.  I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body.  I wonder if the operator "get

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife

Mary, I am in Echuca, one hour from bendigo but know Helen Sanderson is practicing in Bendigo. I don't know if she is on the list but I will cc this to her Andrea Quanchi On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 03:29 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: Is there a midwife practicing in homebirth in the Bendigo are

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

"nursing Mother assoc" has never ever supported homebirth.  I was never allowed to talk to women in the group about homebirth.  It seems that  actively not supporting homebirth, while tacitly supporting hospital birth, is discrimination.  I have always felt this way.  MM - Original Me

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

Perhaps you could also try reading ABA's Code of Ethics, which may help you understand the direction they are coming from when deciding to remain apolitical.  I can fully understand the logic behind the concern relating to the breastfeeding knowledge of many midwives.  Although you may not l

Re: [ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's

I have a good friend who has recently left nursing to become an ambo in Victoria and they all go to ambo uni in frankston for all their lectures. Whn she left the hospital the girls from the maternity unit gave her a copy of Heart and Hands as a farewell gift. When the 'midwife' gave them lect

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

In a message dated 8/09/02 10:02:20 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ABA response really is in line with all that Kerreen Reiger said in her book   Our Bodies, Our Babies  The Forgotten Women's Movement I highly recommend this book especially in light of the current p

Re: [ozmidwifery] Friends in Light

Hello, and Welcome, Maria. I very much like the sound of your Doula programme.   Aviva

Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis

Leaning forward whilst feeding allows gravity to aid drainage. The Bowen Therapeutic Technique has a brilliant way of draining breast/lymph. Wish me luck on teaching that over the net! Aviva

RE: [ozmidwifery] ABA endorsing NMAP ?

The ABA response really is in line with all that Kerreen Reiger said in her book   Our Bodies, Our Babies  The Forgotten Women's Movement I highly recommend this book especially in light of the current political climate. She write about how the ABA made decisions to remain apolitical. So

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound

I refused ultrasounds with both pregnancies. I wanted proof that they could not possibly do my babies any harm. No proof, no u/s. And yes, I've also had miscarriages, been exposed to chemicals in the Vietnam war. I wanted to take full responsibility for whatever happened.   Aviva - Orig

[ozmidwifery] Active Birthing

Hello, All on this List!   I can't keep up with it. 111 messages waiting to be read, and so much work to do.   Firstly, welcome to Ricardo. I love reading your news and views -- looks like the trip I've always wanted to make to Brazil will have to happen. Maybe between my Active Birth, Menst

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:training of Ambo's

Conversly, We had a woman arrive with bottom in the air, and a cord prolaspe suspected.. really well managed. These ambo's saved that babies life. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

[ozmidwifery] Our Bodies Our Babies

For a review of this book go to   http://www.mup.unimelb.edu.au/catalogue/0_522_84982_2.html   Really excellent read.   In peace and joy   Sally Westbury

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal U/S

Hehe Thanks Eliza :) Had to put it in... been hearing the word 'delivered' too often lately :) Jo - Original Message - From: henk / eliza merbis   PS. Jo - love your quote - " Babies are born Pizzas are delivered" (rings a bell somewhere )

[ozmidwifery] legal issues

can anyone counter sue for some one being just plain stupid!  Surely we are a society that claims to be intelligent and informed and we demand our rights to make informed choices, but that right also carries the responsibility of consequences. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMA

[ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

Tina, my gut says medico legal?? If so... then this is policy gone mad!! Yup - believe it or not people have sued in the US because of balls bursting or accidents falling off of them. Never underestimate the legal system! where does it end! Hugs, Larissa

[ozmidwifery] Re:training of Ambo's

Hi Megan, I know the case you are talking about - have met R twice. Don't know much about the education but I do think this needs following up in order to prevent this happening to someone else. They might not have such a good outcome - 5 minutes is 5 minutes too many in the case of cord prolapse.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds

Hi Debby: It is my understanding that only u/s in the first trimester is accurate enough to give reliable dates with u/s (I only repeated that becauseI firmly believe that the woman is the most reliable source however sometimes the mum doesn't know: irregular menses or lactation ammenohrea (

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

In a message dated 8/09/02 9:46:16 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am looking for information and policies for use of gym balls in public hospitals. Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Barbara... why is a policy needed for this??? We don't have pol

RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls

Geelong Hospital have them in all their birthing suites.   Sally Westbury