I love that you use the word
mysogony Justine,and hi and thankyou to you Penny
too.
I was talking to a fellow midwife at my hosp about
it the other day. Sometimeswe wanted to give the benefit of the doubt...at
worst that the actions ofsome Drs was paternalistic - wanting to
help the poor
But it's not a very safe place for a consumer to be. Rocking the boat as a
consumer (especially in labour) it's your body and your baby that you are
risking will have a worse outcome for having alienated the only carers you may
have available to you. It's anybody's guess for most women whether
I would be interested to know what other midwives experiences are regarding
the use of keillands forceps. I trained in a tertiary hospital in Victoria
almost 20 years ago, and regularly saw keillands forceps used. I have
noticed a decline in their use over this time, and am wondering is this a
Taking away this amazing opportunity for empowerment.
BIRTH ENVY?
I LOVE this term Birth Envy.
I have a little theory going on in my own mind that this is the
very reason that extreme sport is mainly male domain. The rush, the empowerment
and the absolute feelings of success can
Hi Marg,
A lot of women who would birth at my workplace (regional Victoria) in the
past with Keillands are now birthed by caesarean. Usually vacuum will not
do/be used to do what Keillands will do (in the majority of cases, although
I was taught it was possible) ie rotate the head from OP or
I can not see how a machine is all that helpful for PIH or APH. Surely one
is monitoring the mum and bub's welfare, listening to the FHR at intervals
appropriate to each situation, watching for abnormal blood loss, mec liquor,
blood pressure, and most importantly listening TO WHAT MUM IS
I remember Kelliands from student days. Applied, turned, off and the woman
then proceeding to a normal birth. I myself, had a Kelliands with bub no.4.
POP, quick turn and she just about fell out. In the right hands they can be
effective and prevent major surgery. I have see the vacuum used for
I recently was present where a ventouse was used to turn a baby from POP,
asynclitic position. It was very difficult, with extreme force and a very
generous episiotomy. The baby was extremely shocked and had a head like a
bowl of port wine jelly. It stayed 6 days under the Bili lights with high
At the CS forum in Vic on the weekend I discussed how differently
choice/fears are concerned when it comes to birthing women:
A woman can choose to birth cs for no medical indicator
But
A woman trying to choose to have a NATURAL vaginal birth is less
supported
A woman who is terrified of vaginal
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Just wondering if there are any midwifery
models within a hospital settingin Australia offering 1-2-1 care, apart
from"team midwifery" models where theremay bea primary midwife
but a team approach to after hours on-call.
Helen
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I too have noticed a decline in the use of forceps. Time was that Kiellands
were fairly common, and in experienced hands, quite effective for a POP.
EXPERIENCED hands being the operative (no pun intended) word. One Ob
recently said that these days he would opt for a c/s rather than a
Interestingly,
The cs forum from Sat showed that the rise in cs rate can NOT be
attributed to cs replacing instrumental vaginal births. The cs rates
increased but the IVD remained the similar in rates.
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I did my postgrad training last year and throughout the whole year and up
till now i have only ever seen 1 'trial of forceps' once upstairs prepped
for theatre which ended up proceeding to caesarian anyway. I am at a large
teaching hospital and it is very rare to see them used, vacuums are
Dear Liz
So nice to hear your honesty.
But what are you learning? None of this is about what women can do or
supporting them to achieve the best outcome, it is about protecting a system
and it's regular inhabitants. It is production-line birth.
Why not ask an independent midwife if you could
Justine Caines wrote:
Dear Liz
So nice to hear your honesty.
But what are you learning? None of this is about what women can do or
supporting them to achieve the best outcome, it is about protecting a system
and it's regular inhabitants. It is production-line birth.
Why not ask an
Jennifairy wrote:
Justine Caines wrote:
Dear Liz
So nice to hear your honesty.
But what are you learning? None of this is about what women can do or
supporting them to achieve the best outcome, it is about protecting a
system
and it's regular inhabitants. It is production-line birth.
Why
VBAC Declines but Outcomes Do Not Improve
By Judith Groch, MedPage Today Staff Writer
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of
Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
May 30, 2006
Review
FRESNO, Calif., May 30 ¡ª Neonatal and maternal mortality rates did not
improve
There is the new publicly funded homebirth program at St. George Hospital. It started about 6 months ago, and the midwives are on call 24 hours a day for their caseload of women. There are 4 midwives working in the model (including Nicky Leap) working in teams of 2.
I'm hoping on getting
Title: Midwifery Strengths
You could look at the case load practice at Women's
and Children's hosp in Adelaide , where a primary midwife is allocated and a
small group of backup midwives. Also Northern Womens Community Mid Program in
Elizabeth Adelaide where a primary and a back up midwife
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Title: Midwifery Strengths
Belmont Birthing Service I believe is totally 1-2-1
and birth centre at John Hunter I think (but doesnt include postnatal care).
Central Coast is moving towards 1-2-1 soon I hope, but unfortunately not before
I depart to my new adventure in North Queensland Im
I know of a couple of difficult ventouse deliveries that may have been
better abandoned.. one baby was stillborn, but of course it was never
attributed to the ventouse!!
Di
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From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday,
For fyi, student midwives here in SA are *forbidden* to seek experience
of any kind with any independently practicing midwife, on threat of a
fail grade for the clinical topic /or expulsion from the course.
While this is the case at one uni, it does not appear to be at the other
uni. We have
Title: Midwifery Strengths
Rosebud offers
fullMidwifery Antenatal care with known midwife but no MW
specificallyon-call for the birth.
Is that what you mean
?
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
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From:
Helen and Graham
To:
It just goes to show who's setting the agenda for the discourse around birth
and how it's about the control of women's bodies not safety at all! Birth is
a feminist issue!!!
J
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Title: Midwifery Strengths
The case load at the women's and children's hosp in
Adelaide may only have one midwife and a backup, however if either or both are a
day off or on holiday you just get the labour ward staff. Also they are
limited to working 12 hours at a time so you could still get
That is not quite true Lisa, they never get labour ward staff, unless
they transfer to HDU where the midwife would still be actively involved
in the womans care. if the midwives are off or busy they get the backup
midwife they should have met or someone else from the group or when
but the women are free to say
what they want and demand complete informed consent, and we can help them
navigate that rocky terrain.
Absolutely, the point I tried to make at our
meeting at work last week, but the powers to be and some colleagues,think
that women who don't ask or demand
hi Belinda,
I have personal experience with this recently, and I think I'll mail you off
line about it.
I didn't write this just under an impression and maybe it was just something
that went haywire as a one off.
The hours are extremely flexible, the reason mostly for the 12 hour in
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