Thank you for your detailed reply, It is very helpful and DEFINITELY not
boring. cheers, MM
On one of the lists I read about midwives working at Holloway prison in the
U.K . I have deleted it and can't find it. Does anyone
remember? thanks, MM
I am always a bit suspicious about anythingk that works so quickly for
babies. Any idea what is in it Lynn?? MM
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friend"
email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks, Mary
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Marilyn wrote: "Sandra you are so
brave." A long time agoe some ancient philosopher wrote something like
this: "In order for evil to flourish, good men do nothing" I think
that covers Sandra's stand. MM
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Hi Denise, thank you for the Birth Psychology website. It was really
great.I am sitting hear in Perth at 9am and it is already 33celsius.
we are truly cooking! Cheers, MM
Sandra, thank you for your frank discussion of hep B vacc at birth on this
list and the "birth talk" list. I am definitely not supportive of this
agenda and thankfully as I practice in homebirth, I do not have to give this
vaccination..actually I would refuse and refer parents to a GP if
Hi Lynn, On which link did you find those articles? MM
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Trust
I had a look yesterday and the articles I found
were
Dear Denise, if you are pasting individual copies, I would like one too
please. MM
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Informed choices?
Hi Denise - any
"If you want to know what has gone wrong in obstetrics, read the pediatric
journals."
Saw this in "Midwifery Today":
Simple maternal hydration can increase amniotic fluid volume, a study has
shown. A search of the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register
and the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register were searched to compare maternal
hydration with no hydration
My experience is a client who had a retained placenta for baby No 3,4,5.
After the 2nd retained placenta (No 4) I refused to do another
homebirthLucky for me... unfortunately she had another retained placenta
and ended up bleeding so much she had to have a hysterectomy to save her
life. I was
I couldn't get through on that either. Also the Channel nine poll is
running 14,000 to 9000 against B/F..MM
This
number keeps coming up as incomplete or incorrect. What program on C7 was
it?
Cheers,
Lyn
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The Minister for Health in W.A. is my local Member of Paliament. He
has just sent out reply paid forms asking his constituents what he can do for me
and the community. I took the opportunity to ask for increased funding for
maternity care and the Community Midwifery Program and quoted from
Quoting directly from my text book... Moxa is made from the herb Artemesia
Vulgaris (chrysanthemum). It can produce heat.. it is pure Yang in nature
having the ability to restore the primary yang from collapse. It can open
the 12 regular meridians to regulate qi and blood, expel cold and
Hi, It all is related to the meridians of the body. Bladder 67 is the
point near the little toe on each foot. The meridian runs up to the
urinary bladder and connects with other meridians which cover the whole
body. The urinary bladder meridian runs in the area of the
uterus. If the uterus
Sorry, I forgot to change the subject line when I emailed Rosemary.
Obviously Tracy has nothing to do with my email. MM
homebirth experience and saw some of the photo's. Cheers, Mary
Murphy
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Wayne Weckert
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] Calling Tracey
Reibel
Hi
Could Tracey from Fremantle
Thanks for this website address. I have worked in homebirth for 20yrs
and have NEVER found a really satisfactory remedy/answer to afterbirth
pains. Some multip women don't get them at all, others have horrendous
ones whether physiological or medical 3rd stage. A remedy which works for
one
Quote of the Week
According to the medical model, life is a problem because it is full of risk
and in almost constant danger, an assumption easily accepted if one's
professional career is spent surrounded by pathology, suffering, and death.
- Marsden Wagner,
MD
Title: URGENT Advice Required
a lotion made from chickweed is good for itchy rashes, I have a
pharmasist make it for me, in similar circumstances.
MM
This was a heart warming story. I wonder what makes them think that
the baby was "in a dry womb for 2 months" when at birth the hole in the
membranes had sealed and there was amniotic fluid there? I thought that
the placenta went on making amniotic fluid gradually all the time? I would like
You wrote: A new midwife to our unit from England said our baths would not
be suitable
because of back care for the midwife! My response was that from what
I've read
the baby is birthed by the mum, hands off by the midwife, so why should
there
be a problem!!
and:
how many women are
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at birth..
Wonderfully expressed Tina. My thoughts and
experiencesexactly.just as dangerous is the
COMMUNITY MIDWIFERY WA
MIDWIFERY MANAGER
A dynamic person is required, half-time, to provide
professional support and clinical oversight of the Community Midwifery Program.
The position does not involve clinical practice. The CMP is an innovative
community based, government funded program,
4) TerbutalineMost often, faulty diagnoses of premature labor are made
by means of unnecessary routine vaginal exams and superfluous electronic fetal
monitoring devices. Never mind that the definition of preterm labor includes
contractions that get longer, stronger, and closer together while
YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD
A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE. THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN
CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE. USEDIT TO SHOW
WOMENVARIOUS POSITIONSOF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLEONES THEIR
SIBLING IN UTERO. OF COURSE
Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today seems pertinent to this
discussion: MMWe who seek to assist childbirth using the age-old art and
craft of midwifery must be willing to open our minds to discussion of what is
truly useful to women and what may be unhelpful, especially when used
A good web site is www.birthrites.org a W.A. based site run by women in
the same position. It is very very good. MM
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I think that this kind of dialogue began when the
list changed its "reply" format. Instead of being able to reply
individually to the person one has to reply to everyone, or send and individual
email to the original sender. It is easier to hit "reply" and of course it
goes to the whole
recent total hip
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Quote of the Week
"Prevention is a worthy and good cause. The problem is that her cousin,
intervention, likes to follow only a few paces behind."
- Mayri
Sagady
Hi Jo, the Program usually has one position a year for a non-accredited
midwife. At the end of 8 months the midwife is eligible for accreditation
with the ACMI. We would love to offer more places but we have only funding for
one and we have had to fight hard to maintain this. cheers,
MM
Hi, my thoughts flew instantly to The Bowen Method which is most often used
to heal physical ailments but has a place in the treatment of dyslexia and
ADHD and emotional problemsetc. I am sure there is a practitioner in
your area. Contact them and enquire. best wishes, Mary Murphy
hypnobirthing or any other kind of relaxation method but also do not
want the physical feeling to be denigrated either. In the interest of a
range of birth choices for all, , Mary Murphy
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You wrote:
he suggests that you may be able to use a
swimming pool pump or your pressure pumpwith a paper cartridge filter
attached for turbidity (maybe you can borrow one from a pool shop) and use
something like Milton's baby solution to kill the bacteria. This contains
chlorine
Hi Frank, in the spirit of good discussion, not hostility, I offer the
thought that the people who tell me about pain free labour and birth are all
men. Despite the thoughts behind the sentiments about why women fear labour
and feel pain, Even in Biblical times women felt pain and expressed the
Hi Frank, I guess you said that just to get a rise out of us all.(??) As a
man you have obviously never laboured and given birth. Tthe water is s
soothing and relaxing. No it doesn't take the pain away altogether or in
some cases much at all, but when women get out of the tub for some
- Don't socilaise, don't eat the wrong foods,
don't do anything that may stress your body and act like you are sick for 9
months so that dr's can look after you.
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You wrote"Don't socilaise, don't eat the wrong
foods, don't do anything that may stress your body and act like you are sick for
9 months so that dr's can look after you."
Then go into labour and we will give you as many
chemicals as you like, as long as they are the ones WE approve of.
Hi Lieve, 8 yrs ago I had a woman who had an U/S at 20 wks for her 4th baby
(never had one before) and there were no abnomalities picked up on
examination. Subsequently, she had a lovely homebirth waterbirth and had a
little boy with good weight and APGARS. He wasn't as vigorous as the other
One of the best natural birth/parenting/breast feeding supports over here
is the Family Nurturing Centre in Cottesloe. It is basically a yoga group
that "growed." the Principals, Sydel and Sam Weinstein are on a much
deserved break in The USA until the New Year but there is someone "holding
Hi Andrea, I think this is a great idea!. MM
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You wrote:"if a midwife wants to change her orientation then perhaps a
retraining could be offered?? However, this is the current system unless you go
off and start your own practice."
The Community Mid Program in W.A have a Preceptoring program which employs
a midwife for 8 Months and she
Denise Wrote Why not CONTRACT midwives to give continuity of care to
healthy women?
That is how we midwives in W.A. and the Community Midwifery Program worked
before the P.I. insurance failure. The only problem with contracting, is
that all contractors HAVE to have P.I. insurance. That is why
I am always on the lookout for children at birth stories for parents to
help them make up their minds about having little ones at births. With
everyone's permission I will delete names etc and paste them into a folder for
the parents to read. In anticipation, MM
You wrote: "the baby having a full knot in the
cord"
I have birthed a number of babies safely that after
the birth, were discovered to have full knots in the cord. Can one
diagnose these by u/s? How did they know before her c/s that is what was
present? MM
Woo Weee! I am so happy for you Jackie! What a
brave and wonderful woman!!! Isn't it amazing what a woman's body can do
when allowed?. I know you are sooo tired and busy, but if you live North of the
River,(or not too far south) we have an after birth get together on the
first Thursday
Different states have different rules. If one wants to register as a
midwife only in W.a., prior registration in another state which does allow it is
necessary. Direct entry Midwives who need to work in W.A. have to be
registered in the other state before they can get registration here via
Hi Frank, I have been very intersted in hypnobirthing since visiting with
Nancy Wainer Cohen in the USA. I am still waiting for someone to come to
Perth and do some training workshops. Is there anything in the wind?
Cheers, MM
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I'll be off the list for a while. Cheers, MM
Did you REALLY send this.. Please don't send attatchments. MM
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I can only speak from personal experience. I lived in
PNG when I was a young woman and had my babies there. we drank only rain
water and the big push in australia was for fluoride supplements. I took
them with one of my children and gave them all childrens doses when they were
growing.
My Grandmother taught me to always rub the cutting board with the cut half
of a lemon to kill the germs and to soak slightly off meat in a weak
solution of vinegar and water for the same reason... works a treat. Must be
the acid changing the Ph. No quite the same as the vagina I know. MM
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I GUESS WE ARE ALL APPALLED, BUT I WONDER WHAT WE HAVE DONE ABOUT IT SINCE
WE FIRST READ THE POST. II KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! (sorry about the
caps, wrong key) I suppose the best thing would be to write to Federal
State Health Ministers and especially the Prime Minister on the unintended
I'm afraid that I have never consciously smelt a baby coming. I wonder if
all the water births we do interfere with that? MM
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Great message, thanks. I seem to have got the "bugs" out
now. We are currently doing a consumer write - in campaign to encourage
the minister to properly fund the Community Midwifery
Program. We operate on the 'smell of an oily rag' and heaps of
unpaid work from midwives, administrators and
Could someone please send me a message via the list so I can check my in
mail.
If I don't reply, could you please send one to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell me what
message you sent? Thanks, MM
Thanks, Looks like I have beaten the problem. MM
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MaryReply for you - hope you don't get too many
:-)Debbie
The forms are VERY new. I don't know how it works, I am sure there is
someone on the list from KEMH who could answer. My guess would be that they
only get them when induction is proposed or like the epidural one, when the
woman is asking for the treatment. I am not sure. MM
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I have a personal interest in a baby who is due in Canberra in May
03. The woman had her first baby 5 yrs ago and had a ?woman
obstetrician. she desn't know about any other model. I would very
much like to give her information about a midwifery model of care. Can
someone please send me
My new email address from tomorrow will be [EMAIL PROTECTED]I was getting
spam at the rate of 100/day and this change is in
desperation!
Are you familiar with homeopathics? It sounds like you need a remedy called
Belladonna. It would be best to contact a homoepath in your area there
is also a remedy available freely in health food stores and many pharmacies
which stock homoeopathic remedies(here in W.A.) called Antinplex or
I have been getting heaps of virus's stopped by my virus alert thank
goodness. I think they are coming both from the Ozmid list and Birthnews
list. MM
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Jackie, the labour will be more efficient (and less harmful) if the natural
hormones work in the right sequence. We only have one synthetic hormone,
sytocinon to FORCE the uterus to work in induction. If prostaglandin gel is
used to soften the cervix, there are other complications possible
Hi Jackie, if you think it would help to talk to a midwife in Perth, I am a
homebirth midwife who has recently had a few overdue clients, including my
daughter 19days over. My home phone No is 9440 1310. or email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] regards. Mary Murphy
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Jo Wrote "I think that we should be conscious of the fact that some
post thingsand there is sometimes no replies. To inadvertently
ignore a fellow birth related supporter should try and be avoided at all
costs."
I often don't reply because I just accept that this is someone's
Congrats Pete! MM
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The first story is about treatment by Magnesium sulphate for women with
severe P.E.The conclusion is about why such a
cheap effective treatment isn't being used. FASCINATING! http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/609
The second is about the spin media put on medical research.. "The
I think I've lost my sense of humour. This raised my hackles.
MM
PREGO: A READING BY SEAN KELLY (Life Matters: 12/9/2002)Life Matters'
Man About The House gives his response to the mysterious,terrifying,
wonderful world of childbirth.http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s668218.htm
Altho I have been attending waterbirths fo 15 yrs, I would still be very
interested in your "standards", as would many others. Is it possible to
share it with us? MM
Unfortunately, women are sent straight to the Obs by their G.P as soon as
they are aware they are pregnant. Its like an assembly line.
MM
Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can
see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry
Is the "due date" a stupid mistake or is it me? If research told us
some 10 yrs ago that only 5% of all women have their babies on the "due" date,
then it is not the women and babies that are at fault, but the calculation of
this mythical due date. 95% of women and babies can't be wrong! MM
AT HOME! Sorry about the thoughts about changing
things. The other staff will only think you are upstarts. Cheers,
MM
"Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening??
Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to
women. We can't wait until we
Jo," post dates" means a calendar calculation -time. "post
mature" is a specific syndrome where the baby loses weight and the liquor volume
diminishes significantly etc. etc. They are two different things and it is
the "post mature syndrome" that is the one for concern. MM
I always
The Guthrie card in W.A. asks for birth weight. MM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary
Murphy
is!!
I know from personal expereince
Denise Hynd
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I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her
C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM
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Today a booboo was made :A primip
-- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out
cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now
she has
I think I love this midwife! we could be soulmates? My Mum (a Maternity
Nurse in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of babies in the S.w of
W.a. told me that the real weight was after they had their first poo. I
just think that this obsession with weight starts when babies are born.
what
Title: Message
Am I right in thinking this is in the "Eastern States"? MM
Thankyou for your
enquiry... The"Ïntuitive Midwifery" workshop is open to all women and
you would be most welcome.
It is a
big day,Sat 28th September (and another on the 29th when that fills)
How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population,
even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up.
One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10
is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time
"nursing Mother assoc" has never ever supported homebirth. I was
never allowed to talk to women in the group about homebirth. It seems
that activelynot supporting homebirth, while tacitly supporting
hospital birth, is discrimination. I have always felt this way.
MM
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Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut
feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to
it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also
a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets
We read the AIMS booklet on ultrasound,
It is called ultrasound, unsound MM
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Is there a midwife practicing in homebirth in the Bendigo area? Is
there a midwife /birth centre combination practice in Bendigo. If not,
whats the other best option? thanks, Mary M
of for doing a
Vaginal u/s would be suspicion of an ectopic pregnancy and to accurately date
the pregnancy for an abortion. marilyn
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Murphy
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal
Could some one please post the lactnet site for me? I seem to have
"lost" it. Thanks, MM
There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound
in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what
would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
"Maybe I am having a bad day but once again i am
saddened to read KEMH represented as thelowest possible standard - but I
spose it is refreshing to hear some other birth place is being less flexible
than KEMH is."
Jenny... The glass is half full, not half empty! I
wasn't intentionally
I recently heard that there has been (is?) a review of midwifery services
in W.A. headed by Dr Harry Cohen and Robyn Collins, head honcho Obstetric Nurse
Manager at KEMH(sorry don't know her correct title).This has been going on for
some time and I have never heard of it, nor has other
Denise, www.emilyslist.org.auCheers, Mary
M
Do you have a web sie and email contact for
Emily's List I tried thru the ALP web site search but no
go
Well done! MM
I've just come home from another birth.
First baby 9hr labour, no analgesia, babyboy born at 2059, all's well
and everyone is extremely pleased with
themselves
I wonder why they go to the expense of putting in a bath if one is not
allowed to use it?? MM
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M
After that you can really only advise women to
do what I did - as consumers - and that is demand the right to use the
facilities.
For accreditation, the place of birth is not the issue. The issue is
that you have provided primary midwifery care during pregnancy, labour and birth
and post partum for 10 xcases. It sounds as tho that is what you are
doing.(?)
hotos from different appreciative families that have been given to me
this week. They will be scanned and added to my album of mums I have worked
with.
Judy
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outside the hospital, to ensure that we keep
updated. It doesn't grant one any priviledges, or bestow any wisdom.
That comes with experience. Best wishes in your work, Sincerely, Mary
Murphy.-
I recently joined Emily's List, an ALP organisation. Why?
Mostly because I just love their slogan."When women support women,
women win!"
I think that says it all.
MM
"The Rove guest was Tracy Bartrum (sp?) she
is the radio jock in Melbourne I think. As she did say all this on
national television she has good as given us an invitation to write to her and
plead with her to be promoting NMAP!! Is she the radio jock that we were
all chatting abut recently?"
Thanks for this. I had a real belly laugh! I
needed the pickup after two primip births in the last 24 hrs. Cheers,
MM
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