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From:
Lois
Wattis
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:11
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's
dopplar
Dear Mary and Ozmid Listers -
I agree the Midwifery Today quote is pertinent to the
discussions
Then of course... my midwife mentor told me that I should listen to the
baby.. not just to the heart beat.
Sally Westbury
Homebirth Midwife
You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without
show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think
ought to be
For
years and years, Pinnards and the human ear were the best tools. The
midwife trains her ear the more she listens. The easiest way to get a good
heart beat is to palpate the baby first, feel where the baby's back lies and
listen over the shoulder, if posterior listen over
thechest.Most
i always understood that pinnards were invented to avoid contact with
women(by professionals)i.e. keep a distance and therefore avoid doctors
and midwives catching 'pubic lice'is this an old wives tale?
i find it just as easy to use my ear directly over the shoulder...
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudie de
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Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar
i always understood that pinnards were invented to avoid contact with
women(by professionals)i.e. keep a distance and therefore avoid doctors
Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today seems pertinent to this
discussion: MMWe who seek to assist childbirth using the age-old art and
craft of midwifery must be willing to open our minds to discussion of what is
truly useful to women and what may be unhelpful, especially when used
ge Bernard
Shaw.
Food for thought... Regards, Lois
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From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:30
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's
dopplar
Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today seems
In a message dated 24/01/03 2:38:06 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you mean just a regular old stethescope, Tina?
Cheers, Jen
HI Jen..
yep!!
Cheers TinaXX
HI all
as a midwife student I find it interesting to see how different midwives work. I was surprised to see (well not really :-( ) when I was on my recent clinical placement that there were no pinards readily available...I hunted around til I found one in the FBUand used it on the few
Sally,
I also have a pinnards that I use from time to time but I also use my dopplar. What I find is that there are times when one is more appropriate than the other. I find that to use the pinnards effectively I need to have the woman stationary ans in labour that proves tricky especially
Title: Message
Andrea
wrote:
I also find that many woman and their families if given the choice,
choose the dopplar because they like ti hear it. The woman don't need you to
listen to it at all during pregnancy, They know mostly that their baby is OK
because they feel it move
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's
dopplar
Sally,I also have a pinnards that I use from time to time
but I also use my dopplar. What I find is that there are times when one is
more appropriate than the other. I find that to use the pinnards effectively I
need to have the woman stationary
comments?
Love this list!
Aviva
- Original Message -
From: Andrea
Quanchi
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:53 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar
Sally,I also have a pinnards that I use from time to time but
I also use my dopplar. What I find
Actually what
I said was antenatal visits I use my pinards. In
labour I use my dopper for all the reasons you mention!! J
Sally Westbury
Homebirth Midwife
You are a midwife, assisting at someone
else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening
rather than
Cas,
You point is intereting. I also dont offer for women to hear the
baby. .. It is that process of allowing or teaching women to know their own
baby, for them to be the expert. I also ask the women what position the baby is
in and how the baby is.. whether
the baby has dropped etc
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar
Thats also my way of working. They come to the prenatal visits and they can tell exactly how the baby is positioned. They call me the moment that breech babys tumble around. That gives them confidence and power. I have a lot of pinnards and I give
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