[ozmidwifery] PPH
There were some references a while ago about the WHO defininf a PPH as being over 1000 mls. As we are being required to go the most extreme lengths to treat PPHs of 500mls or more, even if not causing any symptoms and bleeding is settling, I would love some evidence to suggest this is overkill. Can anyone point me to the WHO document? Thanks, Monica -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NUM Job in Brisbane
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Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby
there are interesting results about US and weight estimation looking at medline or pubmed. The german author Jahn A did some very interesting cross-cultural reseach on this topic and you find several publications in english surching in medline or pubmed. Clarissa hmm, the difficulties of trusting ultrasound for baby weights... I hear many midwives recount stories of the inaccuracies of this practice, the less-than-ideal outcomes that follow. Everyone seems to have a story - mine is about the woman carrying twins, who at 37 weeks was told by her OB that she needed a US to 'check the babies'. US result came back saying that there was over a kilo discrepancy in the weights of the babies, twin-to-twin transfusion was diagnosed, so she was induced (at 37 weeks). Her beautiful babies were 7lb 7lb 4oz, a 4oz difference. Does anybody have evidence that US *is* a 'reliable' tool for diagnosing/estimating baby weights? Why are we using/trusting this tool if all we keep hearing about are stories like these? How many stories are out there regarding US weight diagnosis being accurate? Jennifairy Mary Murphy wrote: I realise that some U/S weights are close, but recently had a tall, well proportioned primip woman who was told her baby was 4.8kg. when she was induced later for PROM this image of the big baby certainly affected her. she later had a c/s of a 3.6kg baby. Now she has a scarred uterus and her reproductive future is influenced by this as she is 41 wants to have another baby quickly. Now she has to worry about the VBAC research which says it would be safer to wait 2 yrs, which she can't. One can never say that she would not otherwise have had a C/S, but one has to wonder. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. [EMAIL PROTECTED] oo in Berlin: Clarissa Schwarz Markgrafenstr. 5 D-10969 Berlin Tel: +49 (0)30-251 86 44 in Magdeburg: Clarissa Schwarz, MPH ISMHE Institute of Social Medicine and Health Economics Institut für Sozialmedizin und Gesundheitsökonomie Medizinische Fakultät, Otto-von-Guericke Universität Magdeburg Leipziger Str. 44 D-39120 Magdeburg Tel: +49 (0)391 - 532 80 57 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mums' breasts worth $2.2 billion
Mums' breasts worth $2.2 billion09:49 AEDT Thu Mar 17 2005 The breasts of Australian mothers are worth $2.2 billion a year, a new study shows. The NSW Health breastfeeding study said mothers should be counted as food producers and recommends breast pumps be GST-free, The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reports. Australian National University economist Julie Smith calculated for the study that the 34 million litres of breast milk produced by Australian mothers a year was worth $2.2 billion. This was based on the milk's value in European milk banks, where breast milk is stored and sold. The study also listed the environmental and health benefits of breastfeeding and recommends mothers feed infants only breast milk to the age of six months and then partially until 12 months. The study will form the basis of an new breastfeeding policy. Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mums' breasts worth $2.2 billion A good news story about the value of breastmilk... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=3386 Helen
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sally Tracey
Email me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Anne Clarke To: OZMIDWIFERY Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sally Tracey Dear All, Does anyone have the contact email for Sally Tracey? With thanks, Anne
Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby
On the Aims website you can access their Journal's issue by issue and in Summe 2002 there is one title Ultrasound why so little research very interesting readin as are most AIMS publications very thorough!! http://www.aims.org.uk/ Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] big baby hmm, the difficulties of trusting ultrasound for baby weights... I hear many midwives recount stories of the inaccuracies of this practice, the less-than-ideal outcomes that follow. Everyone seems to have a story - mine is about the woman carrying twins, who at 37 weeks was told by her OB that she needed a US to 'check the babies'. US result came back saying that there was over a kilo discrepancy in the weights of the babies, twin-to-twin transfusion was diagnosed, so she was induced (at 37 weeks). Her beautiful babies were 7lb 7lb 4oz, a 4oz difference. Does anybody have evidence that US *is* a 'reliable' tool for diagnosing/estimating baby weights? Why are we using/trusting this tool if all we keep hearing about are stories like these? How many stories are out there regarding US weight diagnosis being accurate? Jennifairy Mary Murphy wrote: I realise that some U/S weights are close, but recently had a tall, well proportioned primip woman who was told her baby was 4.8kg. when she was induced later for PROM this image of the big baby certainly affected her. she later had a c/s of a 3.6kg baby. Now she has a scarred uterus and her reproductive future is influenced by this as she is 41 wants to have another baby quickly. Now she has to worry about the VBAC research which says it would be safer to wait 2 yrs, which she can't. One can never say that she would not otherwise have had a C/S, but one has to wonder. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Spend 2 weeks with the midwives of the Community Midwifery program in Western Australia! MM ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] PPH
Hi all, I sent this yesterday but it didn't come through to me at least so apologies if it's a repeat. There were some references a while ago about the WHO defininition of a PPH as being over 1000 mls. As we are now being required to go the most extreme lengths to treat PPHs of 500mls or more, even if not causing any symptoms and bleeding is settling, I would love some evidence to suggest this is overkill. Can anyone point me to the WHO document? Thanks, Monica -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Hi Katrina What a great question to have been asked... I imagine it could stimulate the thinking of many of the students into wondering just what birth is like all around the world... there is often the arrogance in the West that westernized countries are so much more civilized and safer but this is not necessarily the case. Recently, I had a woman in class say Thank goodness we are all birthing in Australia amazingly I also had a Dutch woman in the group and I turned to her and asked her if she had any knowledge on what birth was like in Holland. Fortunately she did and she proceeded to tell the rest of the group that it would be expected they would birth at home unless there were medical reasons requiring hospitalization, government funded homebirth was normal and encouraged, and apart from being provided with a midwife they would also be provided with a helper to assist with light housework duties, visitors, other children etc. The group was amazed to discover that another country provided more for women in their phase of life compared to what they were going to be provided with here. I would recommend visiting a midwifery group practice in New Zealand, then perhaps Sinai hospital (where the Hollywood starts go), then any one of the hospitals shown on Foxtel's Maternity Ward, perhaps Chicago to view how the underprivileged are treated in the USA, if you have time head south to for some lovely waterbirths at the Andaluz Waterbirth Centre in Guatemala, then off to Europe for further contrasts at the University Hospital Vienna, Austria to visit Midwife: Karin Berghammer, OBGYN: Prof Regine Ahner. After that of course you couldn't miss out on a visit to (author and anthropologist) Sheila Kitzinger in England, refer to her book Rediscovering Birth to help you with this project question, and Janet Balaskas author of New Active Birth in London. Perhaps Elle MacPherson (waterbirth mum) would be happy to be interviewed by you too. You might even like to pop over to Scotland to visit a dear friend of mine who is a midwifery student - who will gladly fill you in on the details of the sausage factory style maternity services they have available for women. I wish you all the best with your work Katrina, Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 11:09 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: conference
Hi Katrina, Lifechanging for me was the first time I heard Caroline Flint speak and attending a homebirth conference in Bendigo many years ago - both of these really ignited my passion for birth, not to mention, increased my faith SO much in women and birth. Good luck with selecting your panel of speakers. There's also lots of excellent passionate Ausssie speakers, eg Andrea Robertson, Lynne Staff, Vicki Chan and more. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
What about a trip to NZ and see how things are going there and also check out the NZ group TABS -Trauma After Birth Support- a well needed reality check for how women are effected by birth experience. Perhaps a visit to Nancy Wiener-Cohen author of Silent Knife and a vbac supporter in the US ?? Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:39 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Well I would go to Holland and 'See' birth as it should bethen I would go to NZ and spend time with Maggie Banks - breech birth and guru midwife!!! I'd then probably go to the US and visit with Ina May Gaskin on the farm! Dreams are free!!! Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/18/05 11:51:59 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info Spend 2 weeks with the midwives of the Community Midwifery program in Western Australia! MM ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
I wouldn't glorify birthing in the Netherlands too much - their breastfeeding rates are amongst the lowest in the World. A wonderful birth experience is the best way to start (extrauterine) life - but to be breastfed will have a longer term effect on the health and well being of the baby and mother. Denise At 02:39 PM 18/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: Well I would go to Holland and 'See' birth as it should be then I would go to NZ and spend time with Maggie Banks - breech birth and guru midwife!!! I'd then probably go to the US and visit with Ina May Gaskin on the farm! Dreams are free!!! Kiwi Kim *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Julie's latest birth support experience - such a contrast -
Hi ozmid circle of friends, I went to a birth on Wednesday, (the day after the Future Birth Seminar in Sydney and I was still on a high from that), which was just beautiful with a lovely baby girl being born into water gently. Aren't I lucky I am having a great week! The midwife we had was very sensitive and caring towards the woman I was supporting, but only after issues occurred with the prior midwife. The difference between the two was such a contrast. I was a little shaken by the manner, weirdness and strange old fashioned 1970's hospital style off hand attitude she had towards the woman. I have not seen a midwife behave like that for quite a long time. I was so surprised and I thought Oh surely I can talk to her and be sensitive towards her and she will improve but no way - not a chance she was one fearful midwife. No one in the world could have been offended by us and yet she immediately went into defensive mode the instant she walked/clumped in the room. We tried to gently talk to her and work on the issues with her but it was like talking to a brick wall. She had her rehearsed spiel. She didn't like lights off - didn't like the woman in the bath - wanted her raised right up out of the bath to use the Doppler and so on. She walked in her shoes as though they were bricks. She prepared the room in a noisier manner than my scout master dad would have set up a camp. She complained of bad back, knees, eyes etc so the woman and her partner were supposed to labour in a way convenient to her. This was midwife centered. She talked loudly while we spoke in hushed tones. Fortunately though the woman's assertiveness she agreed to swap with the other midwife on and so all went well after that. But I have walked away from that experience filled with pity for that midwife I have been thinking what a poor sad soul, filled with fear - I expect she is clearly damaged by her past experiences and carries scars that would take a lot of energy to heal. Had she had the courage and the flexibility to join us in the experience she would have had the pleasure of a very beautiful birth. The midwife who did replace her and come to us enjoyed her very first waterbirth and had a lovely big smile on her face afterwards. I gave her a lovely big warm hug and it was just great. Warm hug to all, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 2:36 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info What about a trip to NZ and see how things are going there and also check out the NZ group TABS -Trauma After Birth Support- a well needed reality check for how women are effected by birth experience. Perhaps a visit to Nancy Wiener-Cohen author of Silent Knife and a vbac supporter in the US ?? Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:39 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
I'm totally for breastfeeding and have breastfed all 3 of my kids. What I am seeing at the moment (can only speak for this area) is so much emphasis on breastfeeding and solittle on anything else. Sure - breastfeeding is great and is the 'best' but I believe when a woman feels safe and supported, she willmost likely choose the best things for herself and her baby anyway.I know a lot of these mums who are pressured to breastfeed in hospital are giving up as soon as they leave the ward and the hospital are only interested in the fact that they are BF at discharge!!! Hello.. isn't the long term important too. It's time to get back to the basics- women need antenatal education, optimial health, healthy lifestylesetc. They need to be told that pregnancy and birth are normal life events unless otherwise indicated and not something that needs to be controlled or monitiored at every opportunity. When we give women more education, more time, more support, better care.then I am sure a good proportion will make the right choices for their individual circumstances which will include BF. A lot of these women don't even know what will be good for them in the long-term! Of course we all have different views and interests and coming from the outside. this maternity system still has a very long way to go Just my thoughts. Crucify me if you wish. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/18/05 16:08:25 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info I wouldn't glorify birthing in the Netherlands too much - their breastfeeding rates are amongst the lowest in the World. A wonderful birth experience is the best way to start (extrauterine) life - but to be breastfed will have a longer term effect on the health and well being of the baby and mother. Denise At 02:39 PM 18/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: Well I would go to Holland and 'See'birth as it should be then I would go to NZ and spend time with Maggie Banks - breech birth and guru midwife!!!I'd then probably go to the US and visit with Ina May Gaskin on the farm!Dreams are free!!! Kiwi Kim *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
