Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial
There are 2 OBs at Rosebud Hospital who do
ECVs.
One of them will attend standing vag beech
on insistent request at the level 2 units on the Peninsula.
But women don't request it, they opt for C/S
instead.
With kind regardsBrenda Manning
Hi all,
Just wondering how common it is for cord blood gases to be done in
maternity units. I work in a small metro. hospital with a very busy
maternity unit and our medical 'powers that be' are pushing for them
to be done at every birth. Something we, the midwives, are very,
very reluctant
Cord blood gases are routine for every birth at KEMH, Perth :(
Sadie
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From: Naomi Wilkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
Hi all,
Just wondering how common it is
Hi all,
does anyone know of a hb MW in the
region of Port Pirie, SA? I need to talk local issues with her.
TIA : )
J
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Naomi In units where I work within Northern Ireland,cordblood gases are only done if · Emergency caesarean section is performed · Instrumental vaginal delivery is performed · A fetal blood sample has been performed in labour · Birth, if the babys condition at birth is poor These
No, I don't think there is any up
there.
but Just had an Idea, heard about the Country
dr money thing from Tania Smallwood, Maybe she could help you.
Lisa Barrett
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From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October
I've had 2 women with previous babies diagnosed
with IUGR, for some reason, a visit ( or two) to the osteopath seemed to make
the difference in all cases. Something spurred the bub to grow, if indeed there
was a problem to begin with!
Just a thought.
Robyn Dempsey
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It is a CYA measure. Not evidence based care for the benefit of babies or
mothers. MM
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sadie
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2006 4:25 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood
The problem with all of this is that the
low apgars and low cord blood gasses dont really help much. There are
babies that have terrible results and grow up fine and babies whos
results are only slightly low who have developmental problems. MM
From:
I don't know of homebirth midwives up there but they have just
started (or are starting) a midwifery group practice there inconjunction with
other hospitals. Crystal Brook is involved as well I think. I don't know if this
is helpful but if you rang the Port Pirie hospital you could find out
We do these only if we suspect some fetal compromise during labour or an
unexpected problem at birth, the suggestion that they are done at every
birth is a defensive issue and indeed I have found that the results often
support your actions during labour i.e. in not intervening sooner and I try
and
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From: Christine Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
We do these only if we suspect some fetal compromise during labour or an
unexpected problem at birth,
We do these only if we suspect some fetal compromise during labour or an
unexpected problem at birth, the suggestion that they are done at every
birth is a defensive issue and indeed I have found that the results often
support your actions during labour i.e. in not intervening sooner and I
Unfortunately Lisa, it is our hospital policy. Believe me, it is a pretty
serious issue for any midwife that does not obtain cord gases.
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From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re:
Unfortunately Lisa, it is our hospital policy. Believe me, it is a pretty
serious issue for any midwife that does not obtain cord gases.
I'm sure that makes it ok then Sadie. Hospital policies are of course the
ultmate deterant against making people think for themselves. Quite
On the point of putting it in ice. Just to make sure I wasn't talking
through my arse I have spent the evening reading up on blood gases. They
do not change significantly within the first hour and the reading is still
accurate at room temperature.
oh and accurate I don't know is the
Just wondering where you work Lisa?
You sound incredibly sarcastic and dismissive of what is a working fact for
me.
Sadie
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Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:41 PM
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Risk
No luck with Jeff Richardson L.
I found this at http://www.deh.gov.au/education/publications/epa/modules/module5.html:
Risks Associated with Common Activities
the
annual chance of dying in a car crash if you drive the average number of
kilometres is
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Risk
Then there is this, along with interesting
references:
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7470/849
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE:
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Dear Sadie,
I am incredibly dismissive of policy and procedure that is not backed up
with evidence based practice. I felt I was no more sarcastic than you were
in your reply.
I am an independent midwife in South Australia, I have been a midwife since
1988 I worked in Britain both as
Hello to everyone..My name is Wendy Thornton. I am very new to ozmid
list but will be out there listening for sure.I have a busy practice as
a homebirthing , independent midwife in Adelaide. And to ensure life is
never slow i have 5 children, ranging from 22yrs to 16 mths. Regards Wendy.
--
The time has come for me to leave the
ozmidwifery mailing list.
I have been an active member for 7 years and
have made some fabulous friends and have shared the views, advice
friendship of some incredible women who are as passionate about midwifery as
myself.
Unfortunately the criticism
Sadie,
Many of us would miss your valuable experience. To
question routine policies is a wonderful and reasonable thing to do, To crucify
someone who has to work within the limitations of such as system is
unforgivable.
Midwives, can we please be respectful when talking
to one another, just
Dear all,
I have not been a very active member, however a
very active reader as a Bmid student. I have been quite discouraged by the
attitudes of someand am very disappointed that someone like Sadie needs to
withdraw her insightful discussion.
I have learnt alot - mostly positives. So
Hi Wendy,
Nice to see you here.
Love Lisa
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From: Wendy Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ozmid list ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introduce myself
Hello to everyone..My name is Wendy Thornton. I am very
Ok No further comments from me in the
future.
I too am sad that there is no room for more than
one opinion on this forum. It's got nothing to do with being less or more
of a midwife it's got to do with sharing opinionin a safe place, obviously
this is not it.
thanks
Lisa Barrett
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Absolutely routine in private births where I work, but getting there
with the public ones, too, sadly.
Jo
On 13/10/2006, at 4:07 PM, Naomi Wilkin wrote:
Hi all,
Just wondering how common it is for cord blood gases to be done in
maternity units. I work in a small metro. hospital with a
I would hate this list to stop because you felt I
was too disrespectful. I say once again. I will not post or make
comment. This is an important part of midwifery discussion in Australia
and all should continue to contribute.
Lisa Barrett
We dont have a machine in our unit. I think we may
have one somewhere in the hospital, but thankfully no one is pushing for us to
get one. Why would they want to do gasses on a babe with good `apgars? The NICE
guidelines sound reasonable.
Di
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From:
If only all the women, their families and the children born were of the same
mind then we wouldn't have to consider any defensive practice, unfortunately
this is not the case and I do not see anything wrong with midwives looking
after them selves providing they are not causing problems to mother
Sadie I also have enjoyed your comments
and arguments for and against many issues as a midwife beginning practice and
also working in a high risk hospital I understand the need to work there as
women do deserve good care and advocacy from midwives. I like others will be
sorry that you are
We do not do routine gases but have just begun having to keep a length of
clamped cord to do gases on in retrospect if a baby is unexpectedly flat at
or soon after birth. katy.
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From: Naomi Wilkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday,
When talking about respect does that mean all
around. I agree I was to the point but unreasonable and
undesirable?
Lisa Barrett
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From:
sharon
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:28
AM
Subject: RE:
Hi Sadie
I too would be sorry to lose your voice from this
list. We have 'spoken' and worked together on a few occasions and I know
that you are as frustrated as the majority of us who work within the
restrictions of hospital policy, and that you are a good, caring,
experiencedmidwife and
Personally, I love Lisa
Barrett's contributions. I've NEVER found her rude (though often matter of
fact, and her words are issued without watering down - which I personally
appreciate); the reason I believe some may struggle to accept her contributions
is because she's not focused on the
I too appreciate the variety of input from
all contributors. Things get a bit heated but thats life at the
coalface. Our biggest challenge is not each other but an attitude that says
women cant be in charge of their own bodies and make their own decisions.
Lets not lose sight of that goal
Not sure about you, but my husband seems to think I
am desirable! ; ) (especially after two weeks away at work in
Qld! Then again after weeks away Im not sure almost anyone is!).
LOL
I think if we are careful to re read our posts
before hitting send and think about how we would feel if it
Just a quick noteto all of you, before I run
of to work.
Two days ago I went to the Finnish Midwives
meeting, where a hospital midwife gave a speach. She described what it was like
to care for women twenty years ago, or even ten years ago, when they gave birth
on their own empowered. She
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