RE: [ozmidwifery] floradix
Title: Message I recommend it to clients especially if their haemoglobin levels are very low. Feed back is that the ladies tolerate it much better, less constipating and it really work quickly. Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Saturday, 18 September 2004 11:18 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] floradix Many of the women I work with choose to take Floradix. It is one of several options I suggest to women who have low iron levels. I was introduced to if more than 10 years ago by one of the pregnant women I worked with. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message-From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Callum KirstenSent: Saturday, 18 September 2004 7:46 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] floradix Hi all, On another list i'm on they are "discussing" Floradix. There are opinions that state its harmful because its a non regulated herbal medicine and should not be taken by pregnant or lactating woman. I had low iron levels in all my pregnancies and Floradix was recommended by mu midwife. It was fantastic andimproved my levels whereas Ferrogradumet did not. Does anyone here recommend it for their mums to be? And also what about 5W? It was common place in NZ to use it, but i haven't come across it here yet. Kirsten student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA coffee morning
Thanks for doing this Megan, Ive just arrived back from NZ and logged on to send the email to members...you beat me to it! Hopefully will see you Thursday night. Tania xxx - Original Message - From: Megan and Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA coffee morning Hello all, Just a reminder that the Birth Matters SA group is holding another of our highly successful, and well attended coffee evenings this week, on Thursday. See below for details, and it would be great to see you there! Midwives, students, women, partners, parents, friends, all welcome! Cheers Megan Birth Matters Coffee or tea Mornings Join us, to discuss bellies, birth, babies, breasts and beyond Thursday September 23rd, 7.30 - 9.30pm. Eastwood Community Centre. 95 Glen Osmond Rd, Eastwood. (just mins East of city) Charge of $2, to cover room hire. We are at the back area. Children welcome and well-catered for. for more information : Megan Resch 8178 0149 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
Re: [ozmidwifery] floradix
I Took Floradix in all four of my pregnancies as a matter of course - i tended towards borderline anaemia and took it from word go - my levels were brilliant during pregnancy and after, despite having four kids close together and breastfeeding while pregnant etc. Some independent MWs I know recommend 5W - its certainly gaining in acceptance and use here. Its still hard to get, mail order only here in Adelaide as far as i'm aware. I've had no expererience with it myself but have heard good things from MWs and women. Regarding discussion on the web, i think Floradix is really a tried and true product - i would recommend it to any woman during pregnancy and/or lactation. regards, Miriam (1st year FUSA Bmid) --- Barbara Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Floradix is very big in NZ, and probably many parts of Europe, it has been in Australia for quite a while too. and the packaging definitely says it is safe for pregnant or breastfeeding women. It's been available for a long time, surely any adverse effects would have caused it to be withdrawn by now? It was a sponsor at the NZ Midwives Conference, and advertises in many midwifery and parenting mags. barb --- Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, On another list i'm on they are discussing Floradix. There are opinions that state its harmful because its a non regulated herbal medicine and should not be taken by pregnant or lactating woman. I had low iron levels in all my pregnancies and Floradix was recommended by mu midwife. It was fantastic and improved my levels whereas Ferrogradumet did not. Does anyone here recommend it for their mums to be? And also what about 5W? It was common place in NZ to use it, but i haven't come across it here yet. Kirsten student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Info needed urgently
Has any one got any information on a maternity services where a public and private service are co-located to form one maternity service? Or a private facility where midwives are utilising their skills fully? I need the "how to'' as I need the info to bring to a meeting to look at service restructure to try an attract midwives to work at our hospital. I have a sceptical CEO, manager Obstetrician all watching the $ signs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Louise
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres
I checked it out, great site :Friends of the Birth Centre at Royal Womens Hospital Brisbane. Great birth centre but not a free standing one. marilyn - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres I found this onebut not sure if it is considered a free standing birth centre as such...http://www.fbc.org.au/main.htmKatrinaOn 18/09/2004, at 11:41 AM, Marilyn Kleidon wrote: So I got a little frustrated: I used quotes and entered " free standing birth centres in Australia" and go nada, nothing...so I changed Australia to USA and still got nothing, then i removed the quotes and for the USA I got actual birth centres, go take a look, for AustraliaI got research. so I don't think we have one?marilyn- Original Message -From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:22 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth CentresHi Kim and all:I too am interested in free-standing birth centres here in Australia as they were very common in the state of Washington where I practiced bewfoire moving back home. Because the system there is very different than NZ I will explain sort of how it worked. A free standing birth centre is exactly that a birth centre that is free from a hospital in every respect. It may be a private home with bedrooms that are birth suites, or a couple of motel like rooms in a building that also houses midwifery and other healthcare provider offices. No matter what it physically looks like in the State of Washington the building has to meet certain health and safety requirements set out by the department of health (DOH). Also there has to be a currently practicing MD on the board of directors and there are also some more requirements about who has to be on this board (this requirement would obviously vary with jurisdiction). There are also requirements for minimum equipment such as suction and oxygen, stethoscopes etc. Yes it is all laid out nail by nail. Midwives who attend births there have to apply andbe approved by the board. And, the state lays out the risk levels of women who may birth there: no breeches or twins for example. Obviously this varies by state because breeches and twins are the speciality at "The Farm" but that is in Tenessee. So in essence the state has a whole lot of rules and regs that apply to birth centre births but not homebirths because at least in the USA the state can tell you what to do in a public building (which a licensed birth centre becomes even though it is preivately owned) but NOT in your own home. Yes the birth centre had to have insurance but so did the midwives. You are right Kim, at least in Washington, if there was no physician (OB and paed)to back you up then the hospital you would transfer to was required to provide it, by law. Also by law you as a midwife had to know this by noting the same on your license application.So, that being said more or less as an example, does anyone know if there are rules and regs for free-standing birth centres in any states or territories of Australia. Margie I think said the ACT was in the process of developing a free standing birth centre: do you mean the building or the rules and regs?I do remember from birthing my first 2 daughters here in the 1970's that there were Maternity Centres in Qld, one at Corinda (where I went) and one at Boothville but they have long been closed down in the 1980's I believe:I guess they weren't modern enough. In any case does anyone know how to access the laws that govern maternity centres or have they been recinded. If they still exist could they apply to free standing birth centres.I did a google search for "free standing birth centres, Australia" and foundon Andrea's website she has a section on choosing your birth place and I copied this: "In some places, free standing Birth Centres have been established to provide home-like births for those who wish to pay for a private service. These units are usually staffed by independent midwives, who have back up arrangements with local obstetricians and hospitals. Ask for full details of the services they offer and the costs involved. " but no info on where they are. Kathleen Fahy at Newcastle Uni also supports them according to my search. The big question remains where in Australia is a free standing birth centre?In Seattle midwives located them close to midwife and homebirth friendly hospitals so that women from areas where the back-up hospital was hostile could have a close to homebirth experience within safe distance to a receptive hospital
Re: [ozmidwifery] admission ctg and the furphy of litigation(LONG) (even longer reply)
Justine, For the past two and a half years I have been pursued by a woman who sincerely believes she has grounds for complaint. I can't go into the details of the case because of patient confidentiality (not that it has stopped this woman slandering me in national papers, on network radio, etc) but it has been investigated four times now, three times coming to the conclusion that there is no case to answer and the last (HCCC) not yet completed. It has been dismissed as vexatious by the coroner. This case has caused me the most profound distress. It has destroyed my peace of mind, damaged my relationship with my partner and children because I can't think of anything else and is losing me my career because I cannot continue to put myself in the path of this kind of event in the future. There is virtually no protection for health professionals against allegations from unhappy consumers. I am sorry if that sounds harsh but it is true. In any other court, one is considered innocent until proven guilty; in these cases, an unhappy health consumer can make any kind of allegation, it need not be backed up by any kind of evidence, and the health professional has to prove that it did not happen. It makes no difference if one has followed hospital procedure or protocol. It makes no difference that (in my case) the woman was fully advised and consulted at the time and agreed with the course of action taken- she now says she was not consulted and it comes to my word against hers. It makes no difference to have the most complete documentation (I was lucky, I had only the one lady to look after and wrote contemporaneous notes every ten minutes). Basically, as the Investigator from the HCCC told me engagingly, as long as this woman wants to bring complaints and allegations against me, the HCCC can pursue me 'to the grave.' This may seem off topic but it may give some insight into why some midwives and Obstetricians act in other than evidence based ways. I cannot describe what this case has done to me. I've been a midwife for 22 years and confidently expected to remain one until I retire. Not now. And though I can't leave the profession I love until this case is at least through the present investigation, I make sure that I practice defensively and will continue to do so. This means not always doing what 'best practice' suggests, rather it is doing what is not going to have me on the receiving end of another complaint. Unfortunately, as soon as this case is resolved, I am leaving midwifery. I believe I am a good midwife. I have the unfailing support of my peers at work, of my manager, the OBs, the Stream director and the director of clinical management; everyone who could give me support, has done so. It isn't enough to keep me here because they have all admitted that anyone can bring a case for any reason, justified or not. It isn't being in the wrong that is so devastating in these events. You might not realise the time and effort that goes into answering these complaints. I am fortunate in that I am covered by the hospital's guidelines, policies and protocols and my own comprehensive notes but even so, I am a mess after spending three weeks solid answering the most detailed and in some cases, insulting questions. (eg, Ms X stated you told her to sit and watch her baby die. Please respond.) This is because of beaurocracy gone mad, political correctness and the rights of the consumer completely over-riding the rights of the care provider, even when no one has done anything wrong or other than best Practice according to Australian and international standards. So pity help anyone who practices according to evidence if it is not supported by the lawyers who proscecute these cases, and you won't find many people being sued or complained against for recording a CTG whereas there are all too many precedents for being sued for failing to record one. Monica (who is in a fragile state and apologises if this post was incoherent.) - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] admission ctg and the furphy of litigation(LONG) Hi All Is there something I am missing re admission CTG's and CTG's in general? I see the whole issue of their use in reducing litigation as spurious. Is it true that only around 10% of hypoxic events can be attributed to labour and that the vast majority of damage cannot be linked to a certain time (ie the event could of taken place at 31 wks while Mum was washing up at home) Although my hat goes off to each and every one of you that work in these sick systems with a profession (Obstetrics) that epitomises misogyny midwives still have a responsibility to try and claw back normal birth and I would think challenging these ridiculous protocols as an important part. I agree working with women is very important and there is an
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
RE: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hi Jo.the Doula conference was amazingwe missed you.. Everything you ever need to know about birth and living! Doula School Denise Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] Birth Central-LifeOptions/Doula express Shop 101/10 Lachlan St, MOORE PARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.e-lifeoptions.com tel: 1300 139 507 Signature powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this? Add me to your address book... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day Expressions of Emotional Healing. We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet Expressions of Emotional Healing. yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group. image001.jpg
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] free-standing birth centres
Hi all: I would seriously like to keep the free-standing birth centre thread going. Denise, you commented that the bureaucratic hurdles in WA were too great: where do you find out what these hurdles are? They probably vary somewhat state to state and possibly even by local jurisdiction? I know the hurdles can seem overwhelming but I think they can be systematically tackled. Am I correct in believing that at this point in time there is no such thing as a free-standing birth centre in Australia? If this is so then this future birth centre will be historic: www.naturalbirth.org.au. regards marilyn - -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] admission ctg
The National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK, and which is the statutory body the provides recommendations to the National Health Service. Clinicians are supposed to follow these guidelines. It has issued guidelines on fetal monitoring. It recommends intermittent auscultation for women who are 'healthy and have a trouble-free pregnancy', and says that the evidence does not support the use of EFM (i.e. a ctg) on admission. There are full guidelines, and summaries available - see http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=20051 Debbie Slater Perth -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth
Jo Contact them now and they will send you the info. They don't usually accept formally on to the programme until 12 weeks gestation but it is better to contact asap as it get booked up. Regards Debbie Perth - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth If, for example, a midwife found out she was pregnant last night, and wanted a home birth with the community midwifery program in WA how early should she contact them to book in, and does she need a GPs referral?? Thanks, Jo ;) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] ACMI Wyeth/tommee tepee sponsorship
Dear All, I have beensent the following information: The Tweed Valley Midwives Branch (NSW Midwives Association) is organising a workshop in October and the sponsor is Wyeth.The program was faxedto the ACMI office, but how much more undermining of the WHO Code are we going to see. The complaints regarding Tommee Tippee were virtually ignored.This ACMI Branch (Tweed) knows it's going to cause a problem. The first listed speaker is an IBCLC! Apparently many think that it's ok to ignore the WHO Code, so long as theBaby Friendly Hospital Initiative ispromoted. Also: I heard some disturbing news a few days ago. The International Midwives Congress as you know isto be held next year in Brisbane -a sponsor is Tomee Tepee! The organising committee was made aware of the issues that the AustralianACMI had with this sponsor etc and they stated the old reason 'it's not contraveningtheir code of ethics'.Well it damn well should be! How embarassing is this issue, come on Midwives what are we about! Oh yes, let usrecognise in our International Conference next year the appaling conditions that Midwives face in many countries, but for the sake of the almighty dollar, ignore the problems of promoting products that undermine these sameMidwives roles and their care of mothers and babies! I think it is imperativethat more (ALL)of ACMI members need to attend a BFHI education session if this is a collective view. Does anyone know what is being done about Wyeth and whocanbecontacted regarding the ACMI Tweed Branch? What message are we (ACMI the governing body in Australia of BFHI)truly promoting here.We canlook like were saying the 'right' words anddoing the 'right' things but are we? Are we becoming the 'politicians' of the Midwifery world saying one thing and doing another? I was initially very angry but I am now quite sad and very disappointed with some of my colleagues behaviour. Regards, Anne Clarke Chair - BFHI Queensland
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] CTG
Just a thought. If you did someting according to 'hospital policy' but you new that there was no evidence to support this and it was against your code of practice and someone took you to court. Your argument that it was 'hospital policy' would be blown out of the water this is NOT a defence! Think about it. If you are aware of a policy that is not evidence based then take it to taskto the appropriate hospitalcommittee. Or you can be a real 'pain' and write an incident report EVERY time you have to do a CTG that is not evidence based citing 'to cover yourself' just in case the client takes the issue to court for unnecessary treatment. I like the Andreas way of getting the medical officer to write the reason in the notesfor the CTG.You can also say - you do it if you want it done as there is no good evidence that I should waste my time or worry the woman - if the medical officer had to do this every time there was an admission they would change their tune. Regards, Anne Clarke
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info needed urgently
Dear Louise, The only one I am aware of is Selangor Private Hospital on the Sunshine Coast. You can contact Lynn Staff the CNC on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Anne Clarke - Original Message - From: Geoff Louise Wightman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info needed urgently Has any one got any information on a maternity services where a public and private service are co-located to form one maternity service? Or a private facility where midwives are utilising their skills fully? I need the "how to'' as I need the info to bring to a meeting to look at service restructure to try an attract midwives to work at our hospital. I have a sceptical CEO, manager Obstetrician all watching the $ signs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Louise__ NOD32 1.852 (20040828) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
Re: [ozmidwifery] breech baby wisdom
Hi Kate, Yes - I have found again and again that if I am 'difficult' and informed, I get what I want. But women who are compliant get run through the system with little or no thought to their personal needs and wants. In other words, if you want something, ask for it. If you don't ask, how can you expect to receive? Leanne XXX (the first epileptic ever to be accepted into the Family Birth Centre, RWH, Melbourne, due to a LOT of pushing on my part!) Kate /or Nick wrote: I agree with Jo in that no-one can force you. However it might be an option to look into booking into another hospital where your choices are supported. It can be difficult to labour birth in a negative environment where people are likely to pressure you to change your mind throughout. Ditto from me. I did VBAC, but it took alot of negotiation. I worked all through my pregnancy with my OB, and she was fine, but every midwife I met from the hospital told me I should be booking in for a cs. They gave me time limits, monitoring requirements and other impediments. All were, according to them, non negotiable. I had already negotiated all with my OB. I finally wrote to the unit manager, pointed out that I was doomed to a cs if I had any of those midwives, and requested that the most supportive midwife rostered on be allocated to me. In the end, I was allocated my midwife in advance - a midwife volunteered to take my case, and was called in when I showed up in labour. I could not have succeeded without the full commitment of everyone in that room. So, if I were you, I would investigate other hospitals to see if one is more supportive, or I would start jumping up and down, and demanding that your needs be met. Mine were - in a private hospital that does not have any sort of continuity of midwifery care program. It's amazing what you can achieve if you are difficult enough! Kate -- Leanne Veitch Melbourne Product Centre Technical Writer Level 1 594 Elizabeth Street Agent Oriented Software Pty. Ltd. Melbourne VIC 3000 ABN: 98 078 321 589P O Box 639 T: +61 3 9349 5055 Carlton South VIC 3053 F: +61 3 9349 5088 Australia E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.agent-software.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
RE: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth
Download the application form from http://communitymidwifery.iinet.com.au/application.html And send it straight in. Do it now. Any woman, or midwife, does not need a referral to do this as Community Midwifery believes women know if they are pregnant and do not require that they have their own knowledge confirmed by a GP. How exciting for the midwife to find this out!! Tell her congrats!! love Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth Jo Contact them now and they will send you the info. They don't usually accept formally on to the programme until 12 weeks gestation but it is better to contact asap as it get booked up. Regards Debbie Perth - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth If, for example, a midwife found out she was pregnant last night, and wanted a home birth with the community midwifery program in WA how early should she contact them to book in, and does she need a GPs referral?? Thanks, Jo ;) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Spiritual Midwifery
I love hippys... all of them. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2004 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Spiritual Midwifery You know Jen I have a real problemo with that too... but heh I guess I hung out in Santa Cruz too much. The combo is a great combination/recommendation to me! And on last peek I didn't notice Ina May hiding the fact. Full disclosure is I think the name of the game. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jen Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Spiritual Midwifery BUT??? What's wrong with being a hippy from America? Jen --- katnap076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a good book, she is a hippy and is from America, but she is a real midwife and a caring one. - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:34 PM Hi all, I have just come across the book Spiritual Midwifery at the op shop. What do others think of it, if you know the book by Ina May Gaskin? Thanks Fiona Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights
she did. when the morning shift midwife came on and saw how stressed out the room was ( I must say I was tired and overwhelmed myself and while trying to support my friend while enduring the withering looks from doctors etc I was not very assertive about kicking them all out, I was also in as her support person not her primary midwife) , doctors rushing my friend and really pushing that she was doing the wrong thing and that they had legal advice in to try and make her 'let them save the baby' etc she said to my friend you know what is going on why we want you to have a section etc when my friend was adamant she would not comply the midwife sent everyone out of the room and we very quickly got back into the labour. She said to me later (thank goodness it was her who came on - she is also a friend of mine) that when she came into the room she could feel the weight of the tension between the doctors and the woman and her husband and though well if she wont have a section then lets get on with the labour so this child can be born. My friend laboured well then, although tension occurred again when she kept begging for pain relief and her husband adamantly refused on her behalf - but that's when I felt I got back into it myself, using all my midwifery skills to help her get through which she did. I caught her beautiful son a few hours later who was born in a thick coating of mec and very flat. The pediatrician then came in (it was actually the neonataologist who got involved at this point and I though on no here we go again, but he resused the baby and then gave him to my friend to hold for ages before he took the baby to the nursery where all he did (and all they would consent to) was cot oxygen. For a nursery who stabs jabs and bottles so many babies and is a great cause of worry and angst to me it was amazing that this baby was really left alone so much. after twenty four hours he was better (they worried for while he may have mec asp but he didn't) he went ot his mum. He is now a healthy happy, weight gaining gorgeous breastfed baby. - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights So, Belinda did your friend go on to birth her baby vaginally? Wow!! It sounds like a very scary trace. marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights I had a woman/friend very passionate Christian who had severe fetal distress in labour who refused cs suggestions because she believed God would care for her if she had faith. The doctor was very aggressive and tried all he could to find a legal way to force her into a cs. Risk management were called in (3am) and they could not do anything but get custody of the baby once it was born. This was a situation I had not faced before and was caught between my role as friend midwife support in keeping the doctors away ( this was what she wanted from me) and my own fears for her baby who was at times sitting on 40-60bpm for two or three minutes then back up to 180-190 etc. We have been able to talk honestly about our feelings hers her husbands and my own and I have learnt that while I cannot say I would do anything differently (as in supporting the apparent need for emerg cs) I would move on quicker once she made it clear that she would not agree to help her labour and birth which is what she did (once the doctors were asked to leave the room and we all 'got back into' the labour). What made me accept her choice and move on to supporting her was when the doctor called in legal people it find a way to force her which thankfully was not in their realm of power and I fear the day they will. Although it would not be my choice I do not have more invested in her child's wellbeing than her. Her son is doing well by the way, constructed in the debrief 'us professionals' had as being lucky and to her as being a result of her faith. I do not yet know where I situate myself (as a perosn with no 'faith' in religious doctrines) but I can see that luck versus intuition or faith is very passionatly argued by both 'sides'. Also I passionately support women's right to there own bodily autonomy regardless of what I or others might choose. Belinda - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] patient rights Leanne wrote However, I'm pretty sure that, legally speaking, no-one can *force* you to have a C-section. Does anyone know whether this is right or not? While we're on the topic, does anyone know what complications usually result in C-sections, and what patient rights are re refusing a section? As far as I know you have the
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
RE: [ozmidwifery] patient rights
That is truly an amazing and scary story. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Maier Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 8:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights she did. when the morning shift midwife came on and saw how stressed out the room was ( I must say I was tired and overwhelmed myself and while trying to support my friend while enduring the withering looks from doctors etc I was not very assertive about kicking them all out, I was also in as her support person not her primary midwife) , doctors rushing my friend and really pushing that she was doing the wrong thing and that they had legal advice in to try and make her 'let them save the baby' etc she said to my friend you know what is going on why we want you to have a section etc when my friend was adamant she would not comply the midwife sent everyone out of the room and we very quickly got back into the labour. She said to me later (thank goodness it was her who came on - she is also a friend of mine) that when she came into the room she could feel the weight of the tension between the doctors and the woman and her husband and though well if she wont have a section then lets get on with the labour so this child can be born. My friend laboured well then, although tension occurred again when she kept begging for pain relief and her husband adamantly refused on her behalf - but that's when I felt I got back into it myself, using all my midwifery skills to help her get through which she did. I caught her beautiful son a few hours later who was born in a thick coating of mec and very flat. The pediatrician then came in (it was actually the neonataologist who got involved at this point and I though on no here we go again, but he resused the baby and then gave him to my friend to hold for ages before he took the baby to the nursery where all he did (and all they would consent to) was cot oxygen. For a nursery who stabs jabs and bottles so many babies and is a great cause of worry and angst to me it was amazing that this baby was really left alone so much. after twenty four hours he was better (they worried for while he may have mec asp but he didn't) he went ot his mum. He is now a healthy happy, weight gaining gorgeous breastfed baby. - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights So, Belinda did your friend go on to birth her baby vaginally? Wow!! It sounds like a very scary trace. marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights I had a woman/friend very passionate Christian who had severe fetal distress in labour who refused cs suggestions because she believed God would care for her if she had faith. The doctor was very aggressive and tried all he could to find a legal way to force her into a cs. Risk management were called in (3am) and they could not do anything but get custody of the baby once it was born. This was a situation I had not faced before and was caught between my role as friend midwife support in keeping the doctors away ( this was what she wanted from me) and my own fears for her baby who was at times sitting on 40-60bpm for two or three minutes then back up to 180-190 etc. We have been able to talk honestly about our feelings hers her husbands and my own and I have learnt that while I cannot say I would do anything differently (as in supporting the apparent need for emerg cs) I would move on quicker once she made it clear that she would not agree to help her labour and birth which is what she did (once the doctors were asked to leave the room and we all 'got back into' the labour). What made me accept her choice and move on to supporting her was when the doctor called in legal people it find a way to force her which thankfully was not in their realm of power and I fear the day they will. Although it would not be my choice I do not have more invested in her child's wellbeing than her. Her son is doing well by the way, constructed in the debrief 'us professionals' had as being lucky and to her as being a result of her faith. I do not yet know where I situate myself (as a perosn with no 'faith' in religious doctrines) but I can see that luck versus intuition or faith is very passionatly argued by both 'sides'. Also I passionately support women's right to there own bodily autonomy regardless of what I or others might choose. Belinda
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info needed urgently
Yes they do this in Burnie Tasmania, I think its called North West Private Hospital where the public clients are admitted to the private hospital which is on the same land as the public one. Ruth Forrest is the person to talk to but I dont know if she is on the list so email me off the list if she doesnt reply to you Andrea Quanchi On Tuesday, September 21, 2004, at 07:42 AM, Geoff Louise Wightman wrote: Has any one got any information on a maternity services where a public and private service are co-located to form one maternity service? Or a private facility where midwives are utilising their skills fully? I need the how to'' as I need the info to bring to a meeting to look at service restructure to try an attract midwives to work at our hospital. I have a sceptical CEO, manager Obstetrician all watching the $ signs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Louise
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] anyone doing anything about the repeating posts?
Is there anyone moderating ozmid that can do something about the repeating posts? I am getting sick of my own name!!! lol cheers Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth
Tim Rochelle wrote: Yes Jo, congratulations to the midwife??? Love rochelle p.s we are meeting at Joondalup this Friday 24th 10am and the Birthplace AGM is in Leederville this Sunday the 26th - 2pm Thanks, Rochelle :) I'll be there I am working at 1300 Friday, so see you there at 10! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
Re: [ozmidwifery] anyone doing anything about the repeating posts?
I've sent an email via the page at ace graphics informing them. don't know if anyone is actually available to read such emails though. Jayne - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] anyone doing anything about the repeating posts? Is there anyone moderating ozmid that can do something about the repeating posts? I am getting sick of my own name!!! lol cheers Jo
[ozmidwifery] List problems - from LISTADMIN
Hi everyone, As you are all now doubt aware the list is experiencing a few problems with multiple emails appearing on the list. I have a few theories as to why this is happening and I'm looking into them now. One of my theories is that someone has a virus that is sending back out (backfiring) multiple emails that are received by the recipient. Another theory is that someone has joined or hacked into the list in order to cause havoc. I have pinpointed an email address and am looking into it further at the moment. I hope to have this problem solved by the end of the day and would appreciate your patience. Regards Kim --- Kim Hunter List Administration Birth International ACE Graphics and Associates in Childbirth Education http://www.birthinternational.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] West Today
Dear all I trust you all read page 15 in today's West by Geraldine Mellett Anyone able to transcribe to the list for those who did not?? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] Wonderful induction birth!
Just got to gloat to those who are in the know - because hubby certainly doesn't get it! Got to work last night, primep with prostins at term - why is she being induced - because the doctor said! She had no idea what was happening but very trusting. Got up at 0030, twinges; showers, hotpacks etc, waddled down to LW at 0300, not talking between contractions by 0415, asked me for some analgesia soon after, then had transition, and 7 min second stage and a beautiful birth, intact peri just before 0500, doctor and on-call midwife got there too late - one very contented family and happy RM and RN!!! Certainly a most satisfying birth. Cheryl _ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=linkci=ninemsntu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
