[ozmidwifery] Netballer allowed to use breast pump
Home » National » Article Netballer allowed to use breast pump By Dan HarrisonMarch 1, 2006 - 5:31PM Australian netballer Janine Ilitch will be able to breastfeed in the Commonwealth Games village, after Netball Australia threw their support behind her, and the Commonwealth Games Association confirmed the necessary facilities would be provided. "We absolutely support Janine's right to breastfeed during the Commonwealth Games," Netball Australia CEO Lindsay Cane told reporters in Melbourne this afternoon. "We are a female sport and we are going to make sure that women at the highest level can continue to play their sport," Ms Cane said. "This is a really fine example of how our sport backs our women... any of our athletes have a right to choose as women what they will do and we are absolutely supportive of that," she said. Ms Cane said netball coach Norma Plummer was "absolutely supportive of Janine's position." Earlier, Ms Plummer had been quoted saying it was a "delicate issue" and that she was unsure whether there would be adequate facilities in the village for Ilitch to express breastmilk. Commonwealth Games Association chief executive Perry Crosswhite this afternoon confirmed Ilitch would be able to breastfeed in the village. He said teams were allocated one bedroom for every two athletes, but the netball team could arrange their allocation to give Ilitch her own room if they wished. Mr Crosswhite said the team would share lounge and kitchen facilities, including a fridge. The Australian Breastfeeding Association said earlier that any move to stop Ilitch expressing would be discriminatory. "She must be feeling really stressed about it, it's not a good start for her," president Margaret Grove said. "It's hard to know what they're worried about. I think she's definitely being discriminated against. It's every baby's right to be breastfed." Ms Grove said Ilitch would simply need a power point, in the event she was using an electric pump, and a fridge to keep the milk cool. Ilitch, 34, gave birth to baby Heath in September. theage.com.au with AAP
[ozmidwifery] induction methods
Foley balloon plus saline expedites vaginal delivery Source:Obstetrics Gynecology 2006; 107: 234-9 Comparing the time between labor induction and delivery with and without infusion of extra-amniotic saline. Why do they always want to put things into womans vagina and uterus? It gets to be obscene. MM
[ozmidwifery] of interest
Isnt it interesting that reasonably accurate is acceptable in medical research. One can see the scenario that risk scoring will be used to increase caesareans rather than avoid it. New risk score predicts cesarean after induction Source:Obstetrics Gynecology 2006; 107: 227-33 Simple scoring system may help decision-making when considering induction of labor. The risk of cesarean delivery after induction of labor can be predicted reasonably accurately using four simple measures, British obstetricians report. Elisabeth Peregrine and team from University College London Hospitals sought to develop a clinical model for predicting the outcome of labor induction. They evaluated maternal and ultrasound parameters in 267 women at 36 or more weeks of gestation immediately before induction of labor. The most frequent indication for induction was postdates, and 30 percent of the cohort subsequently required a cesarean delivery. In logistic regression analysis, four factors emerged as significant predictors of cesarean delivery: parity (odds ratio [OR] = 20.56), body mass index (OR = 6.17), height (OR = 0.94), and ultrasonic transvaginal cervical length (OR = 1.07). Peregrine's team used these to develop a simple risk scoring system, whereby a score of -65 to -55 indicates a more than 80 percent likelihood of cesarean delivery, and a score of -165 to -146 indicates a less than 1 percent chance. The model has reasonably good discriminatory ability, say the investigators, who conclude that it may allow more accurate counseling and better informed consent in the decision-making process when considering induction of labor. Posted: 22 February 2006
[ozmidwifery] looking for Raelene.
Hi, I have been asked to try and contact a midwife who graduated from KEMH in WA . The school of march 1980. Her name then was Raelene Taylor. There were 18 members of the class and the organizers have been able to contact 17 of them. Raelene is missing. Thanks, Mary Murphy
Fw: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS?
I'll try this again. I'm a bit tired of stuff going missing on this list. :( - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Hi Diane, not refs so much as some natural plans for managing/treating. Best, J http://www.joyousbirth.info/articles/gbsnaturalapproach.html - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Does anyone have anygood references on the use of garlic to treat GBS??? We have several women with previous GBS approaching "swab time" who are interested in this. Ta, Di
RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS?
Judy Slome Cohain had an article published in the Winter 2004 (number 72) edition of Midwifery Today, called GBS, Pregnancy and Garlic, be a part of the solution. Not sure if its available online, or if it was published elsewhere, but she talks about the research shes been doing and protocols etc for trying the use of garlic for treatment and prophylaxis. Hope that helps Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 6:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Does anyone have anygood references on the use of garlic to treat GBS??? We have several women with previous GBS approaching swab time who are interested in this. Ta, Di -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS?
I had a woman who followed the garlic treatment. She was still positive at term, refused Antibiotics and swabs of baby etc. Both were fine. I guess this proves nothing about garlic. It is a numbers game. 30% of women are colonized at 36 weeks. up to 50% of those babies are colonized. 2% of the colonized babies get sick. 6% of the sick babies die. For this we treat all of the colonized mothers with IV antibiotics in labour. The Cochrane review Five trials were included. Overall quality was poor, with potential selection bias in all the identified studies. Intrapartum antibiotic treatment reduced the rate of infant colonization and early onset neonatal infection with group B streptococcus. A difference in neonatal mortality was not seen. I realize that even one sick or dead baby should be prevented if possible, butWhat a dilemma, but arent we a bit paranoid? MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 8:22 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Judy Slome Cohain had an article published in the Winter 2004 (number 72) edition of Midwifery Today, called GBS, Pregnancy and Garlic, be a part of the solution. Not sure if its available online, or if it was published elsewhere, but she talks about the research shes been doing and protocols etc for trying the use of garlic for treatment and prophylaxis. Hope that helps Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 6:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Does anyone have anygood references on the use of garlic to treat GBS??? We have several women with previous GBS approaching swab time who are interested in this. Ta, Di -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS?
Here's a great article on GBS and theoveruse of antiobiotics and the potential for alternative remedies such as Garlic, Echinacea, Vitamin C taken internally combined with herbal vaginal washes. It starts about half way down page - Treating Group B strep: are antiobiotics necessary? Christa Novelli Samantha B.Mid student/Herbalist http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?gbs ---Original Message--- From: Tania Smallwood Date: 03/02/06 00:20:03 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Judy Slome Cohain had an article published in the Winter 2004 (number 72) edition of Midwifery Today, called GBS, Pregnancy and Garlic, be a part of the solution. Not sure if its available online, or if it was published elsewhere, but she talks about the research shes been doing and protocols etc for trying the use of garlic for treatment and prophylaxis. Hope that helps Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 6:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Does anyone have anygood references on the use of garlic to treat GBS??? We have several women with previous GBS approaching "swab time" who are interested in this. Ta, Di
Re: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS?
Probiotics especially bifidobacterium and lactobacillus will help colonise the gut and vaginal tract with beneficial bacteria. Those beneficial bacteria keep other possible pathogenic bacteria in control. Garlic is a prebiotic and will provide food for the beneficial bacteria, while making the environment for those pathogenic bacteria very unfriendly. Also used with great success in urinary tract infections, other infections, bacterial and viral, is grapefruit seed extract (GSE). Btw a vaginally born and exclusively breastfed baby is bifidobacterium dominant which plays a part in protecting them from infection. If there is concern of gbs, it is safe to mix some bifidobacterium only powder with breastmilk or put a little in the babys mouth. -Lisa
[ozmidwifery] Propolis for GBS
Hi, At the end(?) of the Novelli article it mentions Propolis, a bee product. I have used this very successfully with BGS+ve women - 2 weeks of taking that orally once per day, reswabbed and no GBS. Propolis is the only product that I have found that is specific for Strep infections. It's marketed for sore throats commercially now, so is easy to locate in health food stores. Also great for mouth infections, sore teeth, sore ears - take it orally; must really target some specific bugs. Sue Here's a great article on GBS and theoveruse of antiobiotics and the potential for alternative remedies such as Garlic, Echinacea, Vitamin C taken internally combined with herbal vaginal washes. It starts about half way down page - Treating Group B strep: are antiobiotics necessary? Christa Novelli Samantha B.Mid student/Herbalist http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?gbs ---Original Message--- From: Tania Smallwood Date: 03/02/06 00:20:03 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Judy Slome Cohain had an article published in the Winter 2004 (number 72) edition of Midwifery Today, called GBS, Pregnancy and Garlic, be a part of the solution. Not sure if its available online, or if it was published elsewhere, but she talks about the research shes been doing and protocols etc for trying the use of garlic for treatment and prophylaxis. Hope that helps Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 6:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Garlic for GBS? Does anyone have anygood references on the use of garlic to treat GBS??? We have several women with previous GBS approaching "swab time" who are interested in this. Ta, Di __ NOD32 1.1420 (20060227) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com
[ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
Can anyone offer any words of wisdom for this lovely lady in my forum? I would have thought if its 2cms away from the cervix it would be okay? So I thought I better ask to be sure before I reply: Hi girls As I've discussed with a couple of you, I've had the same issue and unlike most placentas (my ob says he hasn't seen one move far enough in almost a decade) mine didn't get a wriggle on at all and is barely over 2 cm away from the cervix. It's hardly moved since it was diagnosed at 12 wks. Given that the uterus has grown by oodles seems unfair that the placenta couldn't manage another cm, but there you have it... I asked him a few questions like does that mean it's more 'embedded' into the uterus, which means other complications, etc, but he told me he doesn't think so. Part of my problem might be my uterus hasn't been stretched as much 'cause neither I nor the baby are very big, it's posterior, rather than anterior and they are less likely to move and it's also 'long', whatever that means in medical speak. Really, there's no explanation and I'm just odd. So I'm booked in for a c/s next Friday 10 March. There's no way my ob thinks the 10 cm dilation of the cervix could happen without tearing away a longish portion of the placenta from the wall of the uterus and Lucy's head isn't down further than the placenta either so it would probably be coming out first = emergency c/s. If someone medical is around or someone who has some more info, how have you seen other cases like this handled? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
The gentlebirth archives have great info on PP from it's overdiagnosis to grading. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta Can anyone offer any words of wisdom for this lovely lady in my forum? I would have thought if its 2cms away from the cervix it would be okay? So I thought I better ask to be sure before I reply: Hi girls As I've discussed with a couple of you, I've had the same issue and unlike most placentas (my ob says he hasn't seen one move far enough in almost a decade) mine didn't get a wriggle on at all and is barely over 2 cm away from the cervix. It's hardly moved since it was diagnosed at 12 wks. Given that the uterus has grown by oodles seems unfair that the placenta couldn't manage another cm, but there you have it... I asked him a few questions like does that mean it's more 'embedded' into the uterus, which means other complications, etc, but he told me he doesn't think so. Part of my problem might be my uterus hasn't been stretched as much 'cause neither I nor the baby are very big, it's posterior, rather than anterior and they are less likely to move and it's also 'long', whatever that means in medical speak. Really, there's no explanation and I'm just odd. So I'm booked in for a c/s next Friday 10 March. There's no way my ob thinks the 10 cm dilation of the cervix could happen without tearing away a longish portion of the placenta from the wall of the uterus and Lucy's head isn't down further than the placenta either so it would probably be coming out first = emergency c/s. If someone medical is around or someone who has some more info, how have you seen other cases like this handled? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
http://www.gynob.com/previa.htm I did a quick search on this topic to update myself and found this reference - can't say how reliable it is. Helen Placenta previa in the 2nd TrimesterI'm in my second trimester and I have a partial placenta previa. Will this problem go away? Will I need a C-section? The placenta is the vascular part of the pregnancy that is adhered to the inside of the uterus (womb), this contact allowing nutrients and oxygen to pass through the maternal side to the fetal side, then on through the umbilical arteries to the baby. (See FETAL CIRCULATION.) Not only is it important for this structure to remain adhered for the purpose of supplying the baby, but it is equally important that it not separate before the baby delivers, which would drain much of the baby's blood as well as create a hemorrhagic emergency for the mother (this separation called placental abruption). An important consideration is where the placenta attaches. If it's low in the uterus, there are two problems. First of all, if it covers the way out for the baby (the "os" or cervix), it effectively creates a road block for the baby, guaranteeing disaster should labor and delivery proceed. Secondly, the attachment down low is on thinner tissue of the uterus than the thicker, muscular layer higher up. Since the attachment is very vascular, after delivery when it separates the lower uterine lining doesn't have enough muscle to contract and pinch off the bleeding openings that are left on the maternal side. This hemorrhage can be life threatening and could even result in an emergency hysterectomy. When the placenta covers the entire cervix, it is called a "total" previa. When only partially impinging on the area it is called a "partial" previa. Thankfully, total previas are rare, and most previas (previae) only encroach upon the edge of the cervical os. Your question brings up another point. In early pregnancy, partial previas are common, because there just isn't a lot of surface area to the inside of the uterus, so any structure occupying the real estate there can commonly be positioned as a partial previa, or more likely, a "low-lying" placenta. (See above.) As the uterus grows, the upper part of the uterus enlarges faster than the lower uterine segment, so a placenta lying over both areas will tend to grow "away" from the cervical os. We call this placental "migration," but this is a misnomer. The placenta doesn't actually move, but the tissue upon which it is embedded expands and it only appears to move up and away from the cervix. The resulting more safely positioned placenta is the same, though, no matter what the method. When a low-lying placenta is seen in early or mid pregnancy, chances are that it will be well out of the way by the time of the third trimester, essentially making it a non-issue. If a placenta is low-lying, even at the edge of the cervix, one can still deliver vaginally, the baby's head pressing against any part of the placenta that might want to bleed. (Although you can imagine the heightened sense of vigilance needed in such a labor.) When the previa is total, C-section is mandatory. The biggest risk to a previa is abruption (separation of the placenta before delivery). The mechanical jostling from the baby and the thinning of the attached lower uterine segment cause this complication. (Abruption can also happen unrelated to previa, as in cocaine or cigarette use, diabetes, multiple gestation, hypertension, previous history of abruption, and having had many babies.) Another consideration is microscopic bleeding from a previa which may consume all of your clotting factors in a very sneaky way, such that when really obvious bleeding begins, you don't have any clotting ability, adding to the hemorrhage problem. I know all of these things sound terrifying, but it's actually pretty rare, and most low-lying placentas never cause a problem. So in answer to your question, you probably have a placenta that will "migrate" and therefore won't need a C-section. However, serial and frequent ultrasounds are recommended until the placenta is out of harm's way, usually by about 28 weeks. Until then, sexual intercourse is not recommended because even a harmless cervicitis bleeding episode will be misinterpreted as the big bad placenta and force your doctor to overreact to the situation.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
Thanks for this Helen, I might check out the site for third tri shes 38 weeks I think so they have left it as late as possible. She also said this: Thanks for the support, and I will certainly look up the website. I had a scan on Monday (left it as late as possible) that showed the placenta had barely moved at all in a month, probably not surprising since it has budged about 1.5 cm for half of the pregnancy. Very unusual, apparently. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:34 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta http://www.gynob.com/previa.htm I did a quick search on this topic to update myself and found this reference - can't say how reliable it is. Helen Placenta previa in the 2nd Trimester I'm in my second trimester and I have a partial placenta previa. Will this problem go away? Will I need a C-section? The placenta is the vascular part of the pregnancy that is adhered to the inside of the uterus (womb), this contact allowing nutrients and oxygen to pass through the maternal side to the fetal side, then on through the umbilical arteries to the baby. (See FETAL CIRCULATION.) Not only is it important for this structure to remain adhered for the purpose of supplying the baby, but it is equally important that it not separate before the baby delivers, which would drain much of the baby's blood as well as create a hemorrhagic emergency for the mother (this separation called placental abruption). An important consideration is where the placenta attaches. If it's low in the uterus, there are two problems. First of all, if it covers the way out for the baby (the os or cervix), it effectively creates a road block for the baby, guaranteeing disaster should labor and delivery proceed. Secondly, the attachment down low is on thinner tissue of the uterus than the thicker, muscular layer higher up. Since the attachment is very vascular, after delivery when it separates the lower uterine lining doesn't have enough muscle to contract and pinch off the bleeding openings that are left on the maternal side. This hemorrhage can be life threatening and could even result in an emergency hysterectomy. When the placenta covers the entire cervix, it is called a total previa. When only partially impinging on the area it is called a partial previa. Thankfully, total previas are rare, and most previas (previae) only encroach upon the edge of the cervical os. Your question brings up another point. In early pregnancy, partial previas are common, because there just isn't a lot of surface area to the inside of the uterus, so any structure occupying the real estate there can commonly be positioned as a partial previa, or more likely, a low-lying placenta. (See above.) As the uterus grows, the upper part of the uterus enlarges faster than the lower uterine segment, so a placenta lying over both areas will tend to grow away from the cervical os. We call this placental migration, but this is a misnomer. The placenta doesn't actually move, but the tissue upon which it is embedded expands and it only appears to move up and away from the cervix. The resulting more safely positioned placenta is the same, though, no matter what the method. When a low-lying placenta is seen in early or mid pregnancy, chances are that it will be well out of the way by the time of the third trimester, essentially making it a non-issue. If a placenta is low-lying, even at the edge of the cervix, one can still deliver vaginally, the baby's head pressing against any part of the placenta that might want to bleed. (Although you can imagine the heightened sense of vigilance needed in such a labor.) When the previa is total, C-section is mandatory. The biggest risk to a previa is abruption (separation of the placenta before delivery). The mechanical jostling from the baby and the thinning of the attached lower uterine segment cause this complication. (Abruption can also happen unrelated to previa, as in cocaine or cigarette use, diabetes, multiple gestation, hypertension, previous history of abruption, and having had many babies.) Another consideration is microscopic bleeding from a previa which may consume all of your clotting factors in a very sneaky way, such that when really obvious bleeding begins, you don't have any clotting ability, adding to the hemorrhage problem. I know all of these things sound terrifying, but it's actually pretty rare, and most low-lying placentas never cause a problem. So in answer to your question, you probably have a placenta that will migrate and therefore won't need a C-section. However, serial and frequent ultrasounds are recommended until
Re: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
Has she had any bleeding? What number baby is this? Any history of prior uterine surgery? I'd definately be seeking a second opinion from an unbiased obstetrician if it was a member of my family. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: Can anyone offer any words of wisdom for this lovely lady in my forum? I would have thought if its 2cms away from the cervix it would be okay? So I thought I better ask to be sure before I reply: Hi girls As I've discussed with a couple of you, I've had the same issue and unlike most placentas (my ob says he hasn't seen one move far enough in almost a decade) mine didn't get a wriggle on at all and is barely over 2 cm away from the cervix. It's hardly moved since it was diagnosed at 12 wks. Given that the uterus has grown by oodles seems unfair that the placenta couldn't manage another cm, but there you have it... I asked him a few questions like does that mean it's more 'embedded' into the uterus, which means other complications, etc, but he told me he doesn't think so. Part of my problem might be my uterus hasn't been stretched as much 'cause neither I nor the baby are very big, it's posterior, rather than anterior and they are less likely to move and it's also 'long', whatever that means in medical speak. Really, there's no explanation and I'm just odd. So I'm booked in for a c/s next Friday 10 March. There's no way my ob thinks the 10 cm dilation of the cervix could happen without tearing away a longish portion of the placenta from the wall of the uterus and Lucy's head isn't down further than the placenta either so it would probably be coming out first = emergency c/s. If someone medical is around or someone who has some more info, how have you seen other cases like this handled? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Re:Cheryl - query
Hello Cheryl - are you around? I have a query from my proof reader re your letter for my book. I had a computer glitch and 'misplaced' some email addresses. Please contact me offline. Thanks, Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] induction methods
Yes, disgusting and it leads to the new penchant for putting things up women's bums. Our young women need to be told to "Say, no" when anyone wants to put fingers, foleys, gels, amni hooks, forceps and other meds and instruments of torture in their bodily cavities. Gloria in Vancouver, Canada Mary Murphy wrote: Foley balloon plus saline expedites vaginal delivery Source:Obstetrics Gynecology 2006; 107: 234-9 Comparing the time between labor induction and delivery with and without infusion of extra-amniotic saline. Why do they always want to put things into womans vagina and uterus? It gets to be obscene. MM
[ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably burst. Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
What the hell is a "burst" vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt there's research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a phenomenon exists. Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from Synto. and was told uterine rupture was possible? *shaking head in disbelief here* J - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta
She replied with: No (bleeding), first baby and no (prior uterine surgery). Which is why it's so bizarre! I do feel confident my ob and I have gone over all options and originally he was going to let me trial natural labour if it had moved a bit further. 3 mm just wasn't enough in a month! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Gloria Lemay Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 1:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Low lying placenta Has she had any bleeding? What number baby is this? Any history of prior uterine surgery? I'd definately be seeking a second opinion from an unbiased obstetrician if it was a member of my family. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: Can anyone offer any words of wisdom for this lovely lady in my forum? I would have thought if its 2cms away from the cervix it would be okay? So I thought I better ask to be sure before I reply: Hi girls As I've discussed with a couple of you, I've had the same issue and unlike most placentas (my ob says he hasn't seen one move far enough in almost a decade) mine didn't get a wriggle on at all and is barely over 2 cm away from the cervix. It's hardly moved since it was diagnosed at 12 wks. Given that the uterus has grown by oodles seems unfair that the placenta couldn't manage another cm, but there you have it... I asked him a few questions like does that mean it's more 'embedded' into the uterus, which means other complications, etc, but he told me he doesn't think so. Part of my problem might be my uterus hasn't been stretched as much 'cause neither I nor the baby are very big, it's posterior, rather than anterior and they are less likely to move and it's also 'long', whatever that means in medical speak. Really, there's no explanation and I'm just odd. So I'm booked in for a c/s next Friday 10 March. There's no way my ob thinks the 10 cm dilation of the cervix could happen without tearing away a longish portion of the placenta from the wall of the uterus and Lucy's head isn't down further than the placenta either so it would probably be coming out first = emergency c/s. If someone medical is around or someone who has some more info, how have you seen other cases like this handled? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] If this doesn't make you laugh...
then nothing will. Check out these quad babies J http://www.metacafe.com/watch/72008/babies_babies/ Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
i also have never heard of this but certainly i would go with the thought of hyperstimulation of the uterus from synt. such a shame. i wish obs would lighten up a little - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's What the hell is a "burst" vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt there's research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a phenomenon exists. Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from Synto. and was told uterine rupture was possible? *shaking head in disbelief here* J - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
If they are talking about 'burst vagina's" I would suggest perhaps it's another name for 'splitting, tearing etc". In that case, most women just have a few stitches. I have just been with a woman who was planning a VBAC at home. We transferred in to a hospital on the northern beaches. We were greeted by a lovely midwife. When the shift changed, another lovely midwife attended us. The doctor on call, was sympathetic, he didn't burst the buldging bag of waters, and told my client he would not do a c-section at 7cm, as she was doing just fine. Things didn't progress as the client would have liked, and another c-section was attended. ALL staff treated the woman, her husband, and I with respect. This is the way it should be, not an exception to the rule. Robyn Dempsey - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: 02 March, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's i also have never heard of this but certainly i would go with the thought of hyperstimulation of the uterus from synt. such a shame. i wish obs would lighten up a little - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's What the hell is a "burst" vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt there's research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a phenomenon exists. Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from Synto. and was told uterine rupture was possible? *shaking head in disbelief here* J - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
