Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[jesse/jayne]

Brenda wrote:

"Costs for HB down this way :  $1600  to  $2500 approx for the entire
package."

I'd say that's a bargain.  Could you break it down for us Brenda?  ie. what
do you charge for pre/post natal visits/birth attendance??

Jayne




- Original Message - 
From: "brendamanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


Hi Cath,

 I do a similar thing to others on the list, ask the OB I work with for a
script for any drugs needed ie synt, ergo, konak, xylocaine, maxalon,
anti-D, Hep B Vax etc. Client gets script filled & I buy them off her if I
don't have a cache myself. I use these things so rarely that 1 script per
year is enough. He will also fill out a medication chart if I ask him so I
am giving a drug with an order if needed. All nicely legal.

I have all pre-signed path & ultrasound forms from the same OB & use them at
my discretion. Rare. I'd usually phone him & get the OK out of courtesy
before using them as he is so supportive I feel it is an important part of
collaborative care.

Costs for HB down this way :  $1600  to  $2500 approx for the entire
package.

With kind regards
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Robyn Dempsey
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


Hi Cath,

I give the women a letter for the doctor. We've ( the woman and I) have
already discussed which tests she would like/ wouldn't like to have. The
doctor is then given the letter with an outline of what the woman needs.
This can be basic bloods, a script for vitamin k, a script for synto, a
letter for O2 hire, ultrasound forms etc.

On costing, it a hard one. I found when I first started out, it was hard to
charge, and it was a 'self worth' issue. A few REALLY long births soon
changes that!! In Sydney, most independent midwives charge between
$3500 -$4500. This will also change for repeat clients, primips vs multips,
distance to be travelled etc.
Hope this helps.

Robyn Dempsey
- Original Message - 
From: cath nolan
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and
other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a
script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue
of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends
and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they
use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more
idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks Cath
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Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[jesse/jayne]

I would be concerned at the legality of them being able to refuse the request 
for the script.  Homebirth isn't illegal but what if a woman did die at home 
because the doc refused the prescription?

  From: Mary Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:30 AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


  Andrea, it is my understanding that one still has to have a Dr's order (e.g. 
prescription) before a midwife can actually give the drug.  Prior to the CMP 
being under the umbrella of the State Health Dept, WA metro midwives had to get 
the woman to get a script from their doctor for synto, Vit K and xylocine 1% 
for suturing. There are few doctors who will actually do this.  Strange, they 
say "you might bleed to death at home" but won't give any help in preventing 
this scenario. Good luck, MM


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi
  Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:29 AM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

   

  you can purchase syntocinon at 

  www.livingstone.com.au

  Andrea Q

  On 14/11/2006, at 9:13 PM, cath nolan wrote:





  I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other 
drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a 
doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue of cost for 
homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends and colleagues. 
Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they use? I am meeting 
with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback 
will be greatly appreciated,

  Thanks Cath





   

Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[jesse/jayne]

At my last homebirth (7 years ago), my midwife asked me to ask for a 
prescription from doc when I went for a blood test referral.  I did and they 
wrote the script with not a question asked.  I got it filled at the chemist and 
I just had to wait a day for them to order it in because they didn't normally 
stock it.

Jayne

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tania Smallwood 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:59 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


  This is part of the big problem with the way in which independent midwives 
are forced to work here in Australia isn’t it?  An IPM who chooses not to carry 
synto or erg would be crucified in the event of a PPH, but the reality is that 
there are few ways to legally acquire it, and even fewer ways to legally 
administer it.  Sadly we have a long way to go in this battle, and though it 
seems like a miniscule thing, I think it’s a big deal that many midwives simply 
have no way of getting the drugs they need to carry, and equally no way to be 
able to give them when the are needed.  I don’t know of one single Dr in SA who 
would write a standing order for synto knowing that the woman receiving it was 
choosing to birth at home.  And why should women have to broach the subject 
with (mostly) disrespectful and ignorant GP’s.  Isis, you are lucky!  

   

  Just my thoughts…

   

  Tania

   

   


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Isis Caple
  Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2006 8:58 PM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

   

  As a woman planning for a homebirth, I just went to my GP and got a 
prescription from her for a dose of syntometrine. I still have to go to the 
pharmacy to get it filled- hope they are as easy to deal with as my GP is J I 
do know my midwife has a GP who will write scripts for her, yet my GP is 
supportive of HB and I was happy to approach her for it.

   


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cath nolan
  Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2006 9:13 PM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

   

  I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other 
drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a 
doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult is the issue of cost for 
homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for friends and colleagues. 
Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost that they use? I am meeting 
with a couple on Monday and would love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback 
will be greatly appreciated,

   

  Thanks Cath



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Looking for Janet Ireland

[jesse/jayne]

Jan,
 
These are the details for Jan off the Maternity 
Coalition website:
 


  
  

  Jan

  Ireland

  Seddon

  0417 379 
  175

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jan 
  Robinson 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:56 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Looking for Janet 
  Ireland
  Can anyone tell me where Janet Ireland is living now?Also 
  if she has changed her email address?I'd like to contact 
  herCheersJanJan 
  Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian 
  Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 
  Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: 
  www.midwiferyeducation.com.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???

[jesse/jayne]

Really?  Is it really happening re Wyeth 
educating M&CH nurses?  Aren't there some Vic M&CH nurses on this 
list?
 
I read your email Barb.  I complain, and 
complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines 
etc.  They always have an answer.  Nothing changes.  Sorry to 
sound negative.  It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole 
birth thing.  There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see 
very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was 
all bought to my attention :( 
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to 
  vent!!! now WYETH???
  
  While you are at it, you could complain to the 
  Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their 
  Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth.  
   
  WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by 
  formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb?
  Janet

Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!

[jesse/jayne]

Are the formula companies really giving infant 
FORUMULA samples to pregnant women here?  Are they breeching the WHO Code 
so blatantly here?  I thought it was fairly well regulated - unlike many 
other countries.  If it does happen at the Expo, you should report them to 
the ABA for further action.
 
Unfortunately they have free reign with that 
toddler milk crap in a can/drink dispensing machine whatever.
 
Jayne
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to 
  vent!!!
  
  Writing a complaint letter about 
  inappropriate advertising of artificial baby "milk" might help you channel 
  this rage. I HATE those stalls with a passion. You know that expo is really 
  the Prams'n'Formula Expo, don't you? You'll also see lots of drug companies 
  giving unbiassed (snort) show bags to pregnant women and even better, FORMULA 
  companies giving SAMPLES and show bags to PREGNANT WOMEN. How's that for 
  totally unethical, hey?!
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kelly @ 
BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:51 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] I need to 
vent!!!


I’m going to be at the Melbourne 
Pregnancy, Babies and Children’s Expo in Melbourne starting tomorrow, and who else 
is my stand next to but…. Karicare! I felt so angry the whole time setting 
up today - I have a really bad feeling they are going to be giving out 
toddler milk samples, ready to drink – on the stand they have one of those 
drink dispensing machines with the clear plastic tops with a mixer inside 
it, you know like when you go to those ice-cream shops and they have 
slushies or juice in them swishing around? GrRRrrRrr! I hope I am wrong but 
they always hand out samples anyway. The marketing plastered all over the 
massive stand just infuriates me... for mums who nutrition is important to 
them! It’s firing me up and I am not even there yet!!! I don’t want to even 
look at them tomorrow…
 
Kelly 
Zantey
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives in Finland??

[jesse/jayne]

Title: Midwives in Finland??



Päivi is our Finnish friend on here.  She could tell you 
more. She mentioned going to Germany so maybe she isn't around at the 
moment.
 
Jayne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:30 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwives in 
  Finland??
  Do we have any Finnish midwives on list?If not 
  does anyone know of any?An Australian woman in Finland is looking for 
  a Homebirth midwife.She was horrified by the following I just 
  want to quote to you the section of the information booklet I received called 
  'we're having a baby'.This section is titled 'admission routines' and it 
  says:'The following procedures will be carried out on admission. First 
  you will be weighed and washed and asked to change into hospital clothes. You 
  will then be given an enema, as an empty bowel gives the baby more room. Your 
  pubic hair may be shaved off. Your blood pressure and pulse will be taken and 
  your urine tested for protein and glucose. An external and internal 
  examination will be made to determine the baby's size, the size of your pelvis 
  and how far the cervix is dilated'. TaJC 

Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal 5 star hotel stays

[jesse/jayne]

My friend was really looking forward to her 5 star 
experience after the birth of her baby earlier this year.  She felt like 
she was finally getting something back after paying hefty private health 
insurance for many years.  She ended up with GD, being induced and 
emergency c-sect so didn't get to stay at the hotel "for free".  She 
felt very ripped off!
 
How the hell can they justify spending 
our private health fund premiums on something like this?  

 
Jayne
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  Women can find community though 
  like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are 
  cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism 
  coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth 
  groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our 
  lives. Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your 
  DDCs?  Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us 
  to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect 
  and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's like the really 
  consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. 
  It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a 
  treat and one from which our other children are removed.
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kelly @ 
BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article


And the 
whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes 
me. Fark yucko.
>> I wouldn’t 
want to be away from my kids, but it’s because the problem lies far deeper 
than a matter of resting up at a hotel. It’s because far too many mothers do 
not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. 
They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. 
Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big 
ask.

Best 
Regards,Kelly 
ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions 
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
Birth Support - 
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 
PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article
 

Frankly it 
appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that 
should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health 
care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not 
bloody hotels. I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as 
opposed to BIRTHING women, were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a 
perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole 
mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. 
Fark yucko.

J

  
  - Original 
  Message - 
  
  From: Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
  
   
  I posted the 
  article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what 
  you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some 
  ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579
  
  Best 
  Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
  Birth Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 
  8:27 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  articleImportance: 
  High
   
  The Caroline 
  flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife.  Try 
  putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two 
  high profile people with the same name.  
  MM
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana 
  ValcicSent: Wednesday, 
  20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
   
  Where can I find 
  out 

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

[jesse/jayne]

Brenda,

It was Janet that wrote the original message.  I jumped in when I read that
fairly shocking statement for an ob from your colleague :)  Sorry for my
sarcasm but someone like you will understand!  You're incredibly lucky to
have 2 good ob's to work with.  Maybe I better rein in my sarcasm.

I notice that with women all the time (I'm not a midwife, just have an
extreme interest in the birthing scene) - they keep going to the same old
butchers.  You can't seem to get it in their heads that pregnancy/birth does
not have to be that way.  Good on you for promoting the pro natural obs.  I
know it's one step at a time but it gets so frustrating seeing what women
accept for themselves and their babies :(  It's depressing.

Keep up the good work!

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
perinatal data?


>
> Hi Jayne,
>
> Sorry, I thought I was emailing Janet !! You must have wondered who on
earth I was !
>
> Did I answer the question you asked ?
>
> I work with the support of 2 great OBs on the Mornington Peninsula,
neither of them are knife happy.
> They are both very pro natural (otherwise obviously as the 'homebirth
midwife' I wouldn't be collaborating with them).
> The other 2 OBs in our area are terrified of birth & section anything that
moves, I have always refused to work with their clients in my private
practice.
>
>  In the Birth Centre where I also work obviously I have to care for the
women who choose to attend the 'fear mongerers' & I am respectful & fair in
my care for them. But I can't understand why they choose them as their OBs,
even when I tell them what their caesar & induction rates are, they still go
to them because "they are so nice & charming", clearly their philosophy of
birth isn't relevent !!!
>
>  If women attend them & then request me as birth support/doula or midwife
I agree only if they will change their OB to one of the 2 who provide
women-centred, evidence based care. That way I know they will have given
themselves the best chance of having a normal birth. Most agree to change
when I explain the rationale behind my request.
>
> Sorry about the email mix up, and the spelling, night duty & it's 0430,
the brain is on auto pilot !
>
> Regards
> Brenda.
>
>
> > jesse/jayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I received the message below of yours Brenda.
> >
> > "AS 1 OB colleague states:
> >  "if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be faced
> > with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not."
> >
> > An ob really said that?!  My, my must have been one of those more
> > unusual obs!
> >
> > Jayne
> >
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: brendamanning
> >   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >   Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
> > perinatal data?
> >
> >
> >   Hi Janet,
> >On the Victorian perinatal data collection unit form which should be
> > filled out & returned by all midwives to the above unit for every birth
> > (home or otherwise) there is a section which asks:
> >   No 41:"was the last birth a CS ?
> >   No  42: Total no of previous CS?
> >
> >   Is this what you mean ?
> >
> >   I have recently been midwife at  VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2
> > CS.
> >   So they are happening. Just need more of them.
> >
> >   AS 1 OB colleague states:
> >"if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be
> > faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not.
> >
> >   With kind regards
> >   Brenda Manning
> >   www.themidwife.com.au
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Janet Fraser
> > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
> > perinatal data?
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records
> > vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too
> > statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't
> > noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about
> > hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before
> > a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HB

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

[jesse/jayne]

I received the message below of yours 
Brenda.
 

"AS 1 OB colleague states:
 "if we could just prevent the first CS 
happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or 
not."
 
An ob really said that?!  My, my must have been one of those more 
unusual obs!
 
Jayne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after 
  more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
  
  Hi Janet,
   On the Victorian perinatal data 
  collection unit form which should be filled out & returned 
  by all midwives to the above unit for every birth (home or 
  otherwise) there is a section which asks:
  No 41:"was the last birth a CS 
  ?
  No  42: Total no of previous 
  CS?
   
  Is this what you mean ?
   
  I have recently been midwife at  VBAC 
  after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS.
  So they are happening. Just need more of 
  them.
   
  AS 1 OB colleague states:
   "if we could just prevent the first 
  CS happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC 
  or not.
   
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more 
than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

Hi all,
is there some way in which the 
perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy 
system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part 
of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as 
well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women 
have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can 
contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen 
blanket VBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone 
know?
J
For home birth information go 
to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Jenni Doherty from HBA just called...

[jesse/jayne]

All this jumping thru hoops for them when the proof 
is staring them in the face.  What more do they want?  HBA covered a 
teeny portion of my 1st home birth almost 13 years ago - I found it pathetic and 
told them so.  When there was nothing more on offer I walked away from 
them.  Sounds like some walking rather than talking is the point we're at 
with HBA.  Put your health insurance  into a health fund known to 
support homebirths and independent midwives.  And make sure you let HBA 
know.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:57 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Jenni Doherty from 
  HBA just called...
  
  
  … and effectively of now the pilot 
  program is no longer. Anyone currently corresponding with her will have their 
  birth honoured but no more women will be accepted until a formal business 
  decision has been made. She said the pilot program has been a huge success, 
  however now it’s time for the business to make a decision. Jenni acknowledged 
  the great meeting she had with two midwives this week to put the case forward, 
  but said the bottom line is that midwives don’t have insurance. She is going 
  to fight for it and believes that they need to do it, but I just get a really 
  bad feeling. Maybe it’s just me, but she was very hesitant… anyway, I have 
  been asked to remove HBA’s details off my site and she will let me know asap 
  if I can put it back up or not. *sigh* Lots of fingers, toes and 
  everything crossed here for women of Australia – lets hope they make a good 
  business decision and choose to make this a permanent part of their policy. 
  Well done to everyone involved in working with HBA and putting their case 
  forward. I think now is the time to send in your testimonials if you have had 
  your birth covered with them – they said that might be a next step but lets 
  think a step ahead. If you know anyone who has had their birth covered by HBA, 
  please send in something praising their efforts and all that groveling. 
  J 
  
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about declining rural birthing services

[jesse/jayne]

Tom Price Hosp seems to accept very few birthing 
women.  My friend was sent to Perth for being over 35!  Another 
deemed unacceptable high risk because she was birthing her 6th child!  And 
another because she was attempting VBAC.  The GP tried to put the fear of 
god knows what into each of these women and succeeded with their partners 
:(
 
Jayne
 
 

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  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:27 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting 
  article about declining rural birthing services
  
  
  
  http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20063886-2,00.html#
  Mum-to-be travels 2000km to give birth
  By Liza Kappelle
  August 08, 2006 08:15pm
  Article from: AAP
  
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  A MUM-to-be has been shunted more than 2000km around Western 
  Australia for somewhere to have her baby.Kirsti Sweetman, 24, 
  eventually gave birth to a boy in a Perth hospital on Sunday night after being 
  turned away by two hospitals a long way north in WA's Pilbara region. 
  She initially went to her local hospital at Tom Price, 1556km north of 
  Perth, on Saturday, after her waters broke four weeks early.
  But she was not in labour and the hospital wasn't equipped to induce 
  pregnancies, said her stepfather Steve Turner.
  The flying doctor was called and Kirsti was taken another 360km further 
  north to Port Hedland hospital while her anxious partner, Tony Bassett, 27, 
  and their three-year-old daughter Imogen followed by road.
  Mr Turner said he and his wife Teresa – Kirsti's mum – also drove to Port 
  Hedland for the birth only to be told when they got there Kirsti would have to 
  go to Perth.
  It is understood the doctors in Port Hedland thought it would be safer for 
  her to have the baby induced in Perth.
  Mr Turner, however, said he believed it was because the hospital was flat 
  out.
  “She got to Port Hedland and they couldn't handle her ‘cause they were too 
  busy,” he said.
  By now it was late, so Kirsti spent the night in the Port Hedland hospital 
  before being flown to a Perth hospital the next morning.
  “They induced her that night and her partner had to fly out there on a 
  commercial flight while my wife and I brought the cars back,” Mr Turner 
  said.
  Mr Bassett described Kirsti's ordeal as very traumatic.
  “The thought of missing the birth of my son, Tarkyn, that was the worst,” 
  Mr Bassett said.
  “And the last thing that Kirsti wanted to do was go though it on her 
  own.”
  Mr Turner said he believed the family was shunted around because the 
  government was stripping services out of rural and regional areas.
  “They are taking all our services away in the country and putting them in 
  the cities,” he said.
  But the news on the new bub couldn't be better.
  Mr Bassett said his son was growing stronger by the hour and he hoped he'd 
  soon be able to take his family back home – another 1556km trip.
  Pilbara Health Service regional director Patrik Mellberg said Tom Price 
  Hospital did not have the facilities to manage high-risk deliveries and a 
  local GP had made the decision to send Ms Sweetman to the Port Headland 
  regional hospital via the Royal Flying Doctor Service free of charge.
  “Upon arrival at Port Hedland it was assessed that due to the patient's 
  condition and available capacity at the hospital, it would be necessary to fly 
  her to Perth free of charge again, for reasons of clinical safety,” Mr 
  Mellberg said.
  “The patient was under constant medical supervision.” 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma & Personality

[jesse/jayne]

Thanks Suzi.
 
I couldn't begin to imagine any regular school 
being concerned with how this information would affect a child.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma 
  & Personality
  
  what an amazing teacher to acknowledge that 
  - even though it should be 'basic commonsense'.
   
   
  Pinky
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
suzi and 
brett 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:29 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, 
Trauma & Personality

When I was being interviewed by a teacher prior to the placement 
of my 7 year old son in a new (for him) school it was such a welcome 
change that the questions began at our pregnancy, she asked how it 
was and then the birth...where was it, was there drugs? trauma? was 
it in water or on land, with midwife? Then we moved on to other 
things, for how long did he breastfeed? how did he sleep, how was he when he 
woke in the morning? what is he afraid of?...it was such a joy that these 
things were considered important to who Noah is and how he may be in a 
class room. I knew he was to be with the right teacher. 
 
Love Suz x

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma & Personality

[jesse/jayne]

Hi Suz,
 
Can I ask what school (or type of school) this was 
in?
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  suzi and 
  brett 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:29 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma 
  & Personality
  
  When I was being interviewed by a teacher prior to the placement of 
  my 7 year old son in a new (for him) school it was such a welcome change 
  that the questions began at our pregnancy, she asked how it was and 
  then the birth...where was it, was there drugs? trauma? was it in water 
  or on land, with midwife? Then we moved on to other things, for how long 
  did he breastfeed? how did he sleep, how was he when he woke in the morning? 
  what is he afraid of?...it was such a joy that these things were considered 
  important to who Noah is and how he may be in a class room. I knew he was 
  to be with the right teacher. 
   
  Love Suz x

Re: [ozmidwifery] vernix

[jesse/jayne]

I've had 3 all past due dates - 10 days, 5 days and 
14 days - and they all had vernix.  My 14 days past due date baby had the 
most vernix!
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

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  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:07 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] vernix
  
  
  Is it true that if bubs have a bit of vernix on them when born, they are a 
  little 'early'...?
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[ozmidwifery] compulsory vaccination for health workers/students

[jesse/jayne]

Remember a thread about this sometime ago so 
thought some might be interested.  From www.avn.org.au - Meryl Dorey- 
President
 
 
 

Update on the legal situation with forced 
vaccinations for health students 
Thanks to an unkown member who forwarded my 
appeal last week asking for a solicitor to help with the situation whereby 
students studying health issues were being forced to vaccinate in order to 
continue their education, we have obtained the pro bono services of a Barrister 
in NSW who will help us fight this issue.
In order for this to be the most effective 
case possible, we need to contact others who have lost their place in school 
because they chose not to vaccinate. We also want to know about people who have 
been coerced into vaccinating against their wishes and those who have taken the 
vaccine against their wishes but have suffered adverse effects as a result of 
the shots.
According to our barrister, a Representative 
(Class) action will be the best way to proceed with this. Therefore, we need to 
be put in contact with people who have been affected by this new 
regulation.
In addition, as mentioned in the last edition 
of Doing the Rounds, next year, this will be affecting anyone and everyone who 
works in a hospital. Nurses, doctors, orderlies, psychologists, 
physiotherapists, orderlies...etc.
If we sit back and do nothing, it will send a 
very clear message to the government that we are willing to accept forced 
compulsory vaccination. We have already been told quite clearly that if there is 
one case of bird flu reported here, everyone will have to get the shot. If we 
accept this compulsion for health professionals, we and our children will be the 
next targets!
Please spread this information as far as you 
can, get anyone who has been affected to contact us here on 02 6687 1699 or by 
emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
and don't forget that we are still asking for a $26 donation from every member 
to help us with our goals as stated in the last Doing the Rounds.
Thanks so much,
Meryl 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Kath's story

[jesse/jayne]

Perfect oops!  :)  Congrats to you all!

Jayne

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmidwifery" ; "Maternity Coalition"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kath's story


> I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that left me
> on a real high
> Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had discussed
> birthing at home many times but she had decided that she wanted to go
> to the hospital to birth.
> "perhaps if it was my second baby I might have it at home' she said.
> Despite this I kept picturing her birthing at home and was puzzled
> why because I don't try and change women's minds or convince them of
> one way or the other but point out the advantages and disadvantages.
>
> She let me know wednesday night that she had had a few niggles and on
> thursday morning that she was leaking. I visited after lunch and then
> left her to it. She rang at 7pm to say that the liquor was pink  but
> that they were OK for now, At 9pm they rang and asked me to come.
> I arrived at 9:15 pm to find her leaning over her bed having strong
> contractions but she was able to chat to me easily between them. She
> did tell me they were pretty strong but she felt she had ages to go
> yet! We chatted, checked her BP FHR etc and I watched her to try and
> assess where she was up to.
>
> She went to the loo at 9:45 and as I listened to her she made a noise
> that got my attention. I asked her about it but she denied any urge
> to push and then told me she just needed to open her
> bowels!   I asked her to have a feel in her vagina and
> she said she could feel something hard!  because she had been
> so adament  that she wanted to birth at the hospital  I donned a
> glove and had a quick feel.   I said well there's two choices we can
> have the baby here or you can have it in the car because there's no
> way your making it to the hospital. She looked at me with a grin and
> said well I'd rather stay here than do that. So we did and ten
> minutes and three pushes later James arrived much to his parents
> amazement and his midwives amusement.
>
> The whole thing was great, she sat up in bed an hour later and said
> well I'd do that again as she put her baby to the breast without any
> fuss.
> Three days later they are all loving every minute of their whole
> experience and I feel truely blessed to have been part of it.
>
> Andrea Q
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Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step

[jesse/jayne]

A :)  Wonderful Pinky and many, many congratulations!  I can't wait for
my grandbabies!

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step


> What a lovely story.
>
> Now I have one -my daughter Larissa had an exquisite waterbirth at Monash
> Birth centre on Monday - no drugs, no stitches, lovely gentle hands off
> midwives.
> Thanks to Monique, Lainie and Fiona.
>
> Larissa has started motherhood confident and intuitively - breastfeeding
> beautifully, hubby is very proud of her and baby and she is impressed with
> his support during labour/ birth so a wonderful start to being a family.
>
> I am in oxytocin 'overload' both from the birth and baby cuddling ( he
> hasn't yet been 'out of arms') -I feel as though 'nothing else matters'
> rather like when I had my own babies -its a beautiful space.
>
> Pinky
> www.pinky-mychild.com
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "The Johnsons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:23 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] a small step
>
>
> >A good news story of persistence getting the desired result in a private
> > hospital. I recently underwent a second Caesar to deliver my daughter,
and
> > with the help of my independent midwife was able to have a really good
> > experience in a hospital somewhat known for being a stickler for
> > regulations
> > (ie we got away with deviating from the norm). Firstly we made it clear
> > from
> > the beginning that my midwife would be in the theatre with me from the
> > word
> > go. She did a lot of phoning and meeting people in the days leading up
to
> > ensure that this would happen. There was some concern that there would
be
> > too many people in the operating theatre, which was ironic considering
> > four
> > people (two nursing students and two doctoral students) came and asked
> > permission to watch the Caesar.
> >
> > It was great having her there to support me both physically and
> > emotionally
> > from the spinal (where she cradled me in her arms and described
everything
> > that was happening so it was easier) to taking photos of our baby's
birth,
> > cutting the cord for us (husband didn't want to) and bringing us our
> > gorgeous girl. She then accompanied me to recovery, while my husband
went
> > with the baby. She suggested at the time that the baby could come with
us
> > to
> > recovery, even if no midwifery staff were available from the hospital.
My
> > husband then took up the baton upstairs and pretty much insisted that we
> > had
> > a perfectly good midwife with me in recovery and a few minutes later my
> > baby
> > was with me and we were working on our first breastfeed. We all went up
to
> > our room together and she stayed and took photos of our son meeting his
> > little sister for the first time, and of her grandparents getting to
know
> > her, and helping getting her back on the breast. She stayed with us
until
> > we
> > were all settled and happy. It made having to have a repeat Caesar a
> > really
> > positive experience. Hopefully now that hospital will be more
> > accommodating
> > of other women wanting to have independent midwife care as well.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the weather

[jesse/jayne]

I was due with the 3 of my children in 
summer.  Around all their due dates, the weather was hot and actual record 
breaking temps during two of these periods.  All 3 came at the first sign 
of a cool change :)  When I had my last one, the midwives had their 4 
clients (who were due over a 4 week period) for the month all birth within less 
than 2 days of each other! I was 14 days late and one of the other's was 14 
days early!
 
The weather during the periods that I was due is 
still very distinct in my mind - even going back to the 14yo's 
birth.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  diane 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the 
  weather
  
  I do notice an increase in spontaneous rupture of 
  membranes when there are changes of pressure
  Di
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kylie Carberry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:44 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth and the 
weather


Hi all,
I am writing a story about how the weather affects our health and was 
quite interested when I came across a piece about a change in air pressure 
and more births occurring.  It jogged my memory to when I had my last 
child and the hospital was very busy indeed.  Between contractions I 
can vaguely recall the midwife telling me that her theory was that the 
change in the weather (from clear to stormy) that evening triggered lots of 
labours.  And, I have come across a website ( intellicast.com) 
which has a labour/birth index! 
I was wondering does on this board have any thoughts on this 
theory??
cheers
Kylie Carberry Freelance 
Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain @ 32 weeks?

[jesse/jayne]

Brenda,
 
Ahhh yes!  I remember that  
discussion.  Thank you.  I just reread it.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain 
  @ 32 weeks?
  
  Jayne,
   
  So long as her baby is 
  consistently & symmetrically growing then maternal weight gain is 
  irrelevant.
   
  Go back through the 
  ozmid posts to 27/01/06 & you'll find the thread on this very 
  topic which states variations of the above.
   
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
    From: 
    jesse/jayne 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:00 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain @ 
32 weeks?

I have a friend who is 32 weeks and since 
weighing herself 1 month before pregnancy, has actually lost 2kgs from that 
point until now.  Her doc doesn't weigh her and my friend had no 
concerns until others started to comment on her no gain at this point.  
When she decided to conceive she was about 20kg over her ideal weight so she 
changed her diet for the better and began to walk 30 mins to 1 hour a day in 
preparation for pregnancy and she thinks this is why she hasn't gained 
weight.   This is her 2nd pregnancy.  1st pregnancy she 
gained 14kg but was 20kg less to begin with.
 
She has a nice big prego belly but is thinner 
around her bum/top of legs/arms than what she was before changing her diet. 
She looks great, had very little nausea in early pregnancy and baby looked 
fine at 20 week US.
 
We did some searches on lack of weight gain in 
pregnancy and now she is worried.   Seems all negative.  
She is adament that she hasn't tried to keep her weight down purposely, only 
changed dietary/exercise habits for the better.
 
Should she be concerned?  
 
Jayne
 
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain @ 32 weeks?

[jesse/jayne]

Thanks everyone for your replies.  She'll be 
very relieved to read them :)  She had a c-sect with 1st babe and is very 
focused on having a vag birth with this babe so was reluctant to bring the lack 
of weight gain up with her ob.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ken 
  WArd 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:14 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain 
  @ 32 weeks?
  
  Your 
  friend has changed her diet and started exercising, of course she is going to 
  bebfit.  Baby looked fine and she has a nice pregnant belly.  I 
  wouldn't be concerned, she's obliviously has fined down a bit and is to be 
  congratulated for looking after herself and baby so well.   
  Maureen
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Janet 
FraserSent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 11:47 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No 
weight gain @ 32 weeks?
I was exactly the same in 
my last pregnancy. I was my prepregnant weight until about 30 weeks. 
Produced a lusty 4kg baby and was back to prepregnant weight a week later. I 
think some of us just respond to pregnancy that way, especially if we have 
hormone issues and our bodies rejoice to be balanced for the first time 
ever. Unless she seems ill or is having weird results from blood tests, I 
wouldn't worry, sounds like she's been really taking care of herself with 
exercise too.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jesse/jayne 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 
  11:00 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] No weight gain 
  @ 32 weeks?
  
  I have a friend who is 32 weeks and since 
  weighing herself 1 month before pregnancy, has actually lost 2kgs from 
  that point until now.  Her doc doesn't weigh her and my friend had no 
  concerns until others started to comment on her no gain at this 
  point.  When she decided to conceive she was about 20kg over her 
  ideal weight so she changed her diet for the better and began to walk 30 
  mins to 1 hour a day in preparation for pregnancy and she thinks this is 
  why she hasn't gained weight.   This is her 2nd pregnancy.  
  1st pregnancy she gained 14kg but was 20kg less to begin 
with.
   
  She has a nice big prego belly but is thinner 
  around her bum/top of legs/arms than what she was before changing her 
  diet. She looks great, had very little nausea in early pregnancy and baby 
  looked fine at 20 week US.
   
  We did some searches on lack of weight gain 
  in pregnancy and now she is worried.   Seems all 
  negative.  She is adament that she hasn't tried to keep her weight 
  down purposely, only changed dietary/exercise habits for the 
  better.
   
  Should she be concerned?  
   
  Jayne
   
   
   

[ozmidwifery] No weight gain @ 32 weeks?

[jesse/jayne]

I have a friend who is 32 weeks and since weighing 
herself 1 month before pregnancy, has actually lost 2kgs from that point until 
now.  Her doc doesn't weigh her and my friend had no concerns until others 
started to comment on her no gain at this point.  When she decided to 
conceive she was about 20kg over her ideal weight so she changed her diet for 
the better and began to walk 30 mins to 1 hour a day in preparation for 
pregnancy and she thinks this is why she hasn't gained weight.   This 
is her 2nd pregnancy.  1st pregnancy she gained 14kg but was 20kg less to 
begin with.
 
She has a nice big prego belly but is thinner 
around her bum/top of legs/arms than what she was before changing her diet. She 
looks great, had very little nausea in early pregnancy and baby looked fine at 
20 week US.
 
We did some searches on lack of weight gain in 
pregnancy and now she is worried.   Seems all negative.  She 
is adament that she hasn't tried to keep her weight down purposely, only changed 
dietary/exercise habits for the better.
 
Should she be concerned?  
 
Jayne
 
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening

[jesse/jayne]

grrr, didn't get your original email Vicky but I get the gist of the
conversation.

All 3 of our placentas went first into the freezer.

1st one was defrosted about 2 months after baby's birth (near Christmas) and
planted with a 'Christmas' tree (confier type) that we'd received in honour
of her birth from a local nursery.The tree is huge now 14 years later.
It was planted directly in the ground with the tree with no thought given to
composting first!

2nd one stayed in the freezer for numerous months and then was placed in
compost bin and compost was used in spring veggie garden.  Beautiful veggies
and even though the veggie garden has been moved to another area, the area
where the compost was originally used has a lush garden growing.

3rd one was put straight into a huge pot after being defrosted within a
couple of weeks of birth with a largish plant and it did fine.  We
eventually planted the (now) tree in to the garden because it became too big
for the pot.

Your mother's love rose idea sounds beautiful :)  You could put the placenta
into the pot now with some decent potting mix so that it composts before you
add the rose.  Roses are fairly forgiving anyway.

Justine, have you heard of a plumcot?  Beautiful tasting fruit which is a
graft of  plum/apricot.  Has the best of the plum and apricot taste.  Should
grow nicely in your area.

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicky Gotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening


> thanks everyone for your great advice- I also had a
> few laughs, I didn't expect such a great response. I
> feel totally inspired to go and plant it now, and I'm
> sure I'll make it thrive! I suppose in a months time
> the weather will be good for planting also. I think I
> might get the mothers love rosebush- my mum actually
> said before I had my baby she was going to get us one
> (she must have forgotton??)
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] nice story....

[jesse/jayne]

How about the dad in Melbourne yesterday morning 
that delivered his baby in the back of the car?!   My kids were 
listening to the news on the radio and my youngest said "WOW!!  A MAN HAD A 
BABY!"
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] nice 
  story
  
  I'm glad there was someone 
  to "deliver" her baby. Sigh. Don't women give birth?
  Cute otherwise ; 
  )
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Steve 
& Janine Clark 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:21 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] nice 
story


Farm birth nothing to kid 
aboutCarla Danaher03feb06MANY four-legged kids have been born at Collingwood 
Children's Farm, but never a two-legged one . . . until 
now.Brunswick woman Nicole Allard gave birth to Saskia under a peppercorn tree at the farm on Sunday 
afternoon. 
A baby 
goat born at the farm later that day has been named Saskia in her honour. 

Nicole 
and her partner Julian Elliott, both doctors, were on a family outing with 
their two children when the 36-year-old went into labour. 

They 
had been aid workers in Cambodia for the past three years. 

The 
pair only returned home to Melbourne so they could have their baby in a 
local hospital, not knowing she would be born at a farm instead. 

But, 
after trying to walk to her car, Nicole knew she wasn't going to make it to 
the hospital in time. 
After 
farm staff fetched towels and cordoned off the area, Julian delivered his 
daughter under a peppercorn tree, with their children watching on. 

"It was 
beautiful to have a child outside," Nicole said. 

"The 
thing I'm most relieved about is that I delivered there and not one of the 
other places I was last week, like 
Federation 
Square." 
Mother 
and baby are doing well, with Saskia a healthy 
3.5kg. 
Collingwood Children's Farm assistant manager Frank 
Palomares said the happy event came as quite a 
shock to staff. 
"Our 
farmers are trained to deliver animals, but not humans," he said. 

 

[ozmidwifery] birthing in private hosp question

[jesse/jayne]

I have renewed hope in our maternity system!  
My friend -  41yo, 1st time mum 29 weeks into pregnancy seeing private ob 
and planing on birthing in private hosp (you know, she only wanted the BEST) - 
said to me today "if I get the chance to have a 2nd child I will by pass the 
ob and only use a midwife.  The ob has done NOTHING!  He has barely 
felt my stomach yet a girl from work is seeing a midwife and she is learning so 
much from the midwife about her pregnancy.  I look forward more to hearing 
about her midwife visits than I do my ob visits.
 
So I casually suggested that it wasn't too late to 
'sack' the ob and go with a midwife!  She said she would if she hadn't of 
already paid the ob the $3,000 out of pocket expense  I'm not sure if 
she had to pay up front or if she was just being financially organised as she is 
prone to do.  I sarcastically told her that chances were he would do 
something at the birth to justify his fee :(
 
My friend still likes the idea of birthing in the 
private hosp because if she has a 'natural' birth she is moved to a swish 5 star 
motel for days 3 to 5 pp funded by her health fund.  She wants to know if 
you have to have an ob when birthing in a private hosp?
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms

[jesse/jayne]

Paivi (sorry, I can't do the accents!)
 
I am some friends (sisters) from Finland living in 
Australia that birthed at home - in Australia though.  Isn't that 
strange?!
 
Cheers,
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Päivi Laukkanen 

  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of 
  beautifull birthing rooms
  
  Absolutely! I plan to show hospital rooms, 
  birthing centre rooms and home. Unfortunately the Birthing Centre consept is 
  not even known about in Finland and we only have some 20 homebirths a year 
  but I am trying to awaken some interest by showing pictures of something we 
  don't really associate with birth over here...
   
  Päivi
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
jesse/jayne 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:09 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of 
beautifull birthing rooms

Can I suggest some pictures of the most 
mother/baby friendly? That would have to be ~home~ :)
 
Cheers
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Päivi Laukkanen 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Photos of 
  beautifull birthing rooms
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  I am putting together a photo gallery to 
  display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most 
  uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they 
  are from. The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland 
  later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms 
  are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places 
  where I could contact to get pictures, please contact 
  me. Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I 
  am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many 
  different countries.
   
  Paivi Laukkanen
  Childbirth Educator
  Finland
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms

[jesse/jayne]

Can I suggest some pictures of the most mother/baby 
friendly? That would have to be ~home~ :)
 
Cheers
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Päivi Laukkanen 

  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Photos of 
  beautifull birthing rooms
  
  Hi everyone,
   
  I am putting together a photo gallery to display 
  some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most 
  uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are 
  from. The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this 
  spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really 
  mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could 
  contact to get pictures, please contact me. Unfortunately I will not be 
  able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be 
  great to get some pictures from many different countries.
   
  Paivi Laukkanen
  Childbirth Educator
  Finland
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping

[jesse/jayne]

I'm sorry Kylie - I didn't mean 
all of the parents that don't share a bed with 
their children!  I know that some children prefer and or are very content 
to sleep apart from their parents.  Maybe I should have worded that 
differently.  Please don't take offence :)
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:23 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co 
  sleeping
  
  
  
  "There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having 
  theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 
  hours ina row each night"
  Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never 
  really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies.  I tried but neither me 
  or hubby could sleep with them in there with 
  us. However, I never expected them to sleep 8 
  hours each night.  They had their own room close to ours, were fed on 
  demand, very loved, held and played with lots.  Thre were very content, 
  one wasn't and still isn't.  Just want to point out that mums who don't 
  want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either.
  Kylie
  

From: "jesse/jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: 
Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 
+1100>I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in 
Australia. I never>got anything like the reactions these women are 
describing when I had my>first child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple 
of the midwives where I birthed>my daughter matter of factly told me 
I should put her in the bed with me! I>remember hearing about 
'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplace>but 'controlled 
crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.>There are 
always gonna be parents that have no interest in having their>child 
share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours 
in>a row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like 
to brag>about, just like early toilet training!>>My 
European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it 
with>all 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often 
confided that>they did it secretly and had the fear of God put into 
them that they would>suffocate their babies.>>It's sad 
that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to 
begin>with.>>Regards>>Jayne>>>>>- 
Original Message ->From: "Gloria Lemay" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: ; 
;>; 
; <@uniserve.com>>Sent: Friday, 
January 06, 2006 4:05 AM>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co 
sleeping>>> > From Laura Shanley:> 
>> > Did you see the article in last week's Times about 
co-sleeping> > (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. 
The last paragraph> > says it all! Love, Laura> 
>> 
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all> 
>> > And Baby Makes Three in One Bed> >> > 
By AMY HARMON> > Published: December 29, 2005> > 
JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life> 
> dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and 
where> > Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, 
the country's> > most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his 
admonition against> > parents sleeping with their babies, she has 
taken a different tack.> >> > Jennifer and John Jakovich 
(with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated> > by the reversal of 
Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert.> > "I now mention 
Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping,"> > said 
Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to> 
> friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her 
husband,> > John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been 
given the green> > light, that it's O.K."> >> 
> The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents 
who> > share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest 
of the world,> > which had become nearly taboo in this country. A 
survey by the National> > Institute of Child Health and Human 
Development has found that about> > one-fifth of parents with 
infants up to eight months old said the baby> > usually shared a 
bed with them, more than triple the number o

Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping

[jesse/jayne]

I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia.I never
got anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had my
first child 14 years ago.  In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthed
my daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me!  I
remember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplace
but 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.
There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having their
child share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours in
a row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to brag
about, just like early toilet training!

My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it with
all 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided that
they did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they would
suffocate their babies.

It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to begin
with.

Regards

Jayne




- Original Message - 
From: "Gloria Lemay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; ;
; ; <@uniserve.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping


> From Laura Shanley:
>
> Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping
> (12/29/05)?  Not too bad!  I'm enclosing it below.  The last paragraph
> says it all!  Love, Laura
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all
>
> And Baby Makes Three in One Bed
>
> By AMY HARMON
> Published: December 29, 2005
> JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life
> dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where
> Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's
> most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against
> parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack.
>
> Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated
> by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert.
> "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping,"
> said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to
> friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband,
> John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green
> light, that it's O.K."
>
> The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who
> share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world,
> which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National
> Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about
> one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby
> usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade
> ago.
>
> The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding
> working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and
> still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many
> parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping
> arrangements.
>
> It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted
> nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of
> collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of
> his network news and talk show appearances last month are being
> circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground.
>
> "Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have
> that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to
> sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people
> co-sleep," she added.
>
> But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she
> didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more
> comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and
> pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size.
>
> The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his best-selling 1985
> book, "Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems," he advised parents to let
> babies cry for intervals of up to 45 minutes without responding, to
> train them to sleep on their own. Should the child cry so hard that he
> throws up, parents are to clean up and leave again. "If you reward him
> for throwing up by staying with him, he will only learn that this is a
> good way for him to get what he wants," Dr. Ferber wrote.
>
> Parents who take a baby into their bed instead, the book suggested,
> damage the child's development as an individual and are probably only
> trying to avoid their own intimacy problems. "If you find that you
> actually prefer to sleep with your infant," it warned, "you should
> consider your own feelings very carefully."
>
> Practiced by millions of parents and widely promoted by pediatricians,
> Ferberization and its variations tap into the Ame

Re: [ozmidwifery] testing

[jesse/jayne]

No, didn't get Emily's and didn't get Andrea's 
reply to Susan!  Just saw it on the bottom of Susan's message.
 
Weird stuff going on!
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Cudlipp 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
  
  Nope!
   
  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
  nothing"Edmund Burke
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Emily 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:33 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
testing

did a post from me yesterday reach you all? it didnt come 
back to me and no replies so i dont think so... Susan Cudlipp 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 

  
  

  Thanks Andrea but I am definitely missing 
  some of the original posts - I see the replies so know that I haven't 
  recieved the first ones
  Sue
   
  Happy New Year to all mid- 
  listers
   
  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to 
  do nothing"Edmund Burke
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Andrea Quanchi 
! 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: 
Monday, January 02, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
I think it is just the christmas new year 
lullAndreaOn 02/01/2006, at 12:47 AM, Susan Cudlipp 
wrote:
I seem to be missing some posts - has the list been very 
  quiet? Very few posts in the past few weeks, and some that are replies 
  but I never recieved the originalsSue"The only thing necessary 
  for the triump! h of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund 
  Burke



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date

[jesse/jayne]

The rate of c-sect for dogs has also sky rocketed :)

It's not only horses' birthing but ask any farmer/breeder of
cows/sheep/horses or I guess any mammal for that fact about the shortcomings
of an animal baby that is denied colostrum for any reason.  Why do humans
think they are any different? Humans are supposed to be the intelligent
ones!

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "brendamanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date


> A huge number of women demand IOL from 37/40 onwards, like you Janet,(btw
> your views make perfect sense to me) I despair of how how to get the
message
> across that the 'process' of birth will happen when all the participants
are
> ready ie the baby, the mothers mind & her body. Sometimes in clinic I see
> women exert enormous  pressure on the OB to IOL when he's not fussed about
> it & would happily "await events".
>
> Perhaps the issue is that the animals won't sue the vet if something
happens
> to their offspring because they were post-dates & no one intervened !
> Whereas the women or their partners/families/GPs will.
> Litigation has a lot to answer for, CYA (cover your arse) medicine alive &
> well !
>
> With kind regards
> Brenda Manning
> www.themidwife.com.au
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jo Bourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date
>
>
> >A friend of mine is a vet and we had a very similar discussion not that
> >long ago about dogs and the iniation of labour and a few other things. I
> >remember laughing at her and saying so if vets know all this about dogs
why
> >don't Drs know it about humans, we can't be that different!
> >
> > At 4:37 PM +1030 27/12/05, Julie Garratt wrote:
> >>So, I was chatting with a family friend who breeds show horses.
> >>> Talking about postdates, etc. He laughed at me. Apparently, any horse
> >>> breeder worth his salt knows that 1) the foal initiates birth, 2) any
> >>> breeder who induces labor is a fool, 3) foals that come from induced
> >>> labors are inferior (have long term health difficulties, etc), 4)
> >>> induced labors are hard on both foal and mare, and 5) some foals just
> >>> take longer, and  gestational dates are just a guess.
> >>>
> >>> If this is "common knowledge" amongst horse breeders,
> >>> fercryingoutloud, why isn't it for human breeders
> >>>
> >
> >
> > -- 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 2nd birth anniversary

[jesse/jayne]

Hugs Janet and happy birthday to your little one 
:)
 
The pain and grief never goes away but as you 
are finding out, you cope.
 
May you in the future experience the joy and 
pureness of what birth should be :)
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: aa ; Caesarean 
  Awareness ; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:06 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 2nd birth 
  anniversary
  
  Tonight it's 2 years since I 
  made the decision to transfer to hospital to birth my son by caesarean. If I'd 
  known what a rape it would be, I would have thought more than once about 
  going. Since I thought it was my only choice, I determined to go and protect 
  my son from everything I could. But I couldn't protect myself. I even 
  wondered, in the aftermath, would I be able to save my own life if faced with 
  a car coming at me on the road. The fallout from those hours has echoed 
  through my life in a way I could never have imagined. The last few months I 
  have let go more grief than ever before, through holding my son close and 
  treasuring every moment as if it were the hours stolen from us by vindictive 
  hospital staff. I hope that in time I will be more healed from that pain, and 
  more fully appreciative of the anniversary of meeting my beloved child. I know 
  that so many of you know exactly what I mean. And I'm truly sorry that you do. 
  I realise I sound full of pain tonight, and in a way I am, but it's more that 
  I'm acknowledging and honouring the feelings as they arrive rather than 
  ignoring them. Ignoring pain does not make it less. And it does not change the 
  world, and I must make meaning from my birthrape and use the fire it created 
  to help prevent this slaughter continuing.
  I will truly celebrate my 
  son's arrival tomorrow, although not his birth. And I send love and 
  hope to all of us who struggle with this loss of innocence, and how 
  complicated it makes those milestones which ought to be unadulterated joy. 
  
  Love to all and blessed 
  be.
  J
   
  Joyous Birth Home Birth 
  Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/
   
  Accessing Artemis Birth 
  Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis

Re: [ozmidwifery] Abby's Birth Announcement

[jesse/jayne]

Many congrats Abby and family :)  Love baby's name!

Jayne



> HI,
>
> Sorry for the x-post, but thought I would share that thismorning at 3:46am
I
> gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Runah. After a couple of days of
> crazy prelabour and 5 hours of active labour she was birthed in warm
water,
> in my own home, into my friends hands with just her daddy, mummy and two
> friends there.
> After having a very traumatic c-section with my first daughter, this was
> truly amazing!!
> I am sore, tired and truly EMPOWERED!!
>
> Love Abby
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Home Gender Prediction Kit

[jesse/jayne]

Interesting!  If it is as accurate as they 
claim, I'm guessing it would be a fairly big seller.  I couldn't see how 
much it was...only lab costs were US$250 so not cheap but I know a lot of people 
would pay it out of impatience of having to wait to 16/17 weeks for ultrasound 
to find out the sex of their baby.  Even though you hear stories all the 
time of wrong sex via US, people generally seem to think US is 100% necessary 
and accurate.
 
Personally, I like to have a 'prize' for having 
gone thru labourfinding out what I've been carrying all those months 
:)
 
And yes, I can see more terminations based on wrong 
sex.
 
Regards
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:44 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Home Gender 
  Prediction Kit
  
  
  Hello 
  all,
   
  I’ve just been approached by a 
  Journalist for a QLD newspaper asking about a product recently released in the 
  US which can apparently test for 
  the gender of a baby from 5 weeks of pregnancy. I was asked to comment and 
  also asked if there was anyone else who might be able to make a strong 
  comment, either for or against this sort of product and what it might result 
  in – i.e. more terminations? More gender anxiety? A big seller? If anyone 
  knows of someone who would be relevant to comment about gender testing, please 
  let me know or forward this email to them and I will pass on the details of 
  the journalist. 
  Best Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au & 
  www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle 
  Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & BabyAustralian Little 
  Tikes Specialists 
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] HBA

[jesse/jayne]

I received benefits from HBA 11 1/2 years ago when I had my 1st son at home.
They paid a fee for each prenatal visit with the midwife up to a certain
amount (I think it worked out to $25.00 each visit) and then they paid a
lump sum which from memory I think was $300.00, for the actual birth
attendence fee.They would only cover one midwife though.

The prenatal visits were covered under a 'home nursing' clause in the
policy.

Jayne

- Original Message - 
From: "Jo Bourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] HBA


> Australian Unity also have excellent cover for homebirth but you have to
get it in writing from them first.
>
> cheers
> Jo
>
> At 2:36 PM +1000 3/8/05, Janet Fraser wrote:
> >Excellent news, Andrea. I await with interest, as does the rest of Joyous
> >Birth! The defence forces gold standard cover pays for hb entirely, which
is
> >also useful to know : )
> >J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[jesse/jayne]

> You might think that skipping it is OK but you actually get a letter
stating
> that you have not had your child vaccinated against HepB, so Big Brothers
> watches.
>
> Diane


So?  You're already being watched/tracked thru medicare/tax
office/centrelink etc etc etc.  When I started to receive letters re my
unimmunised middle child, I called the immunisation register and demanded
that his name be removed.  Never received another letter and never received
any re my unimmunised youngest child either.  Big Brother is a non reason
I'd be lining up my children for mass immunisations.

I refuse to return immunisation cards (even for non immunising) to schools
and have not produced immunisation certificates to schools (even stating
that they aren't immunised) for any of my children.  I wonder about the
'refusing school entry' if an immunisation certificate is not produced.
After three children going thru state schooling, they've never been refused
school entry.

Informed choice and then follow your heart.

Regards

Jayne

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins

[jesse/jayne]

Wow!  Wow!  Wow!!!  Fantastic!  Thanks for sharing Sue!

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Cookson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins


> Hi everyone,
> I thought to let you know about a lovely homebirth of twins on Monday 
> 4th July.
> Two little boys, 6lb7oz and 5lb 12oz, born 10.5 hours apart.
> SRM 3.30 am and birth of baby #1 at 6.49am.
> Then a few hours where ctxs were fairly regular but not so strong unless 
> baby#1 was breastfeeding. You could see the second baby positioning 
> itself and the uterus working hard to pull down into shape for baby#2. 
> I'd clamped the cord of baby#1 after 10 mins in case of bleedthrough, 
> and clamped the other end as well so that the placenta retained its size 
> until after baby#2 was born.
> After about 4 hours I asked to check baby #2 position. It was too hard 
> to palpate so I did a VE and found head there, not well applied, but 
> there. Cervix was 9 ish cms.
> So we waited, fetal heart always good and strong. Set up the pool and 
> mother relaxed for an hour or so with ctxs beginning to pick up again. 
> She decided to hop out and at 5.05 pm baby#2 emerged in his caul. She 
> birthed the placenta unaided 35 minutes later. Blood loss 300ml. (Her Hb 
> and ferritin levels were both low).
> 
> It was a huge leap of faith, but there was nothing happening to raise 
> any alarm bells. Both babies are really gorgeous, feeding well and very 
> happy.
> I am once again humbled by the strength of women 
> 
> Sue
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins - Justine

[jesse/jayne]

Congrats on your twins Justine!  How far along are you?  How did you find
out you were carrying twins?

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OzMid List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins


> Dear Sue and all
>
> What a story!  Great work to you and the wonderful Mum
>
> I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off
> for a vasectomy shortly after!!!
>
> I have read quite a few stories.  I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as
> they are so medicalised and will scare me witless.
>
> I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great
sizes
> and healthy.  I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith
in
> local GP's and my midwife is hours away!)
> and he said "if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as
a
> singleton, so why not stay at home!
>
> Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December!
>
> Justine
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins/placenta

[jesse/jayne]

And, can the condition of twins placenta/s be expected to deteriorate
earlier than a singleton's??

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OzMid List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins


> > They say
> > there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta,
>
> Hello Midwives out there
>
> Is the above true??
>
> Is it specific to twins?  I thought an ultrasound could certainly show the
> condition of the placenta
>
> JC
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Helen/messages

[jesse/jayne]

Helen, this is the exact thing that I am experiencing.  My own messages
don't turn up in my email anymore.  I've checked with my ISP and I'm not
having any other problems so I think the problem may be originating from the
list somehow.

Jayne

- Original Message - 
From: "Helen and Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding lowers blood pressure


> Jo
>
> Were you responding to my email about the article on breastfeeding lowers
> blood pressure sent to the ozmidwifery list?.  It didn't turn up in my own
> ozmidwifery email list so I am wondering did you receive it or did it turn
> up on the ozmidwifery list too?
>
> Helen Cahill
> (wondering if there are bugs in the system...)
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding lowers blood pressure
>
>
> >A good article, but still sees breastfeeding as not the norm with it's
> >wording... ie breastfeeding lowers blood pressure.  Wouldn't it be more
> >likely that formula feeding raises blood pressure?   Or, the less
> >breastmilk an infant recieves the more their risk of higher blood
pressure?
> >
> > Just trying to fix the view of breastfeeding :)
> >
> > Jo (RM - STILL waiting for baby...)
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.

[jesse/jayne]

Thanks Andrea.  My spam folder is empty but I'll check with my ISP.
Hopefully I'm still receiving everyone else's messages!  I'm just too nosey
to miss out!

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.


> Hello Jayne,
>
> The problem may lie with your ISP or your own system's settings for the
> receiving of junk mail. Many ISPs will filter out messages to email lists
> unless you specifically allow them to go through. You can usually alter
> your own spam filters on your email program to various levels and also
make
> sure that messages containing certain words (such as ozmidwifery) are
> allowed through.
>
> Everyone is receiving your messages just fine try checking out these
> possibilities - we don;t want you missing out on any interesting
discussions!
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> At 08:22 PM 22/05/2005, you wrote:
> >Thank you for replying..I don't receive a copy of emails I send to
the
> >list anymore (and I previously did) so I thought that they weren't
getting
> >thru.  Is this the same for everyone else?
> >
> >Jayne
> >- Original Message -
> >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Melanie Sommeling
> >To: <mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:00 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.
> >
> >yes I do :)
> >- Original Message -
> >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>jesse/jayne
> >To: <mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:37 PM
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing again.
> >
> >does anyone receive my messges?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >Jayne
> >
> >
>
>
> -
> Andrea Robertson
> Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.

[jesse/jayne]

Title: Bericht



So, I know something that the family doesn't 
:)  They think it is a crazy Australian idea that we had our babies at 
home!  I'll be pleased to let them know that homebirths are happening where 
they live also :)
 
Cheers
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lieve Huybrechts 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:36 AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] testing 
  again.
  
  A month ago we had a homebirth there, it is about 60 km from my 
  home.
   
  Lieve
   
   
  Lieve Huybrechts
  vroedvrouw
  0477/740853
  

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens 
jesse/jayneVerzonden: maandag 23 mei 2005 2:46Aan: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.
Thanks Lieve :) 
 
I noticed you said you were close to the 
Netherlands boarder in Belgium..are you near Genk?  My husband is 
from that area and has a lot of family there.
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lieve Huybrechts 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:48 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] testing 
  again.
  
  I think I get all the mails, also those I send  to the 
  list
   
  greetings
  Lieve
   
   
  Lieve 
  Huybrechts
  vroedvrouw
  0477/740853
  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens 
jesse/jayneVerzonden: zondag 22 mei 2005 
12:22Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.
Thank you for replying..I don't receive 
a copy of emails I send to the list anymore (and I previously did) so I 
thought that they weren't getting thru.  Is this the same for 
everyone else?
 
Jayne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Melanie Sommeling 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  testing again.
  
  yes I do :)
  
- Original Message - 
    From: 
    jesse/jayne 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 
12:37 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing 
again.

does anyone receive my 
messges?
 
thanks
 
Jayne
 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.

[jesse/jayne]

Title: Bericht



Thanks Lieve :) 
 
I noticed you said you were close to the 
Netherlands boarder in Belgium..are you near Genk?  My husband is from 
that area and has a lot of family there.
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lieve Huybrechts 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] testing 
  again.
  
  I 
  think I get all the mails, also those I send  to the 
  list
   
  greetings
  Lieve
   
   
  Lieve Huybrechts
  vroedvrouw
  0477/740853
  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens 
jesse/jayneVerzonden: zondag 22 mei 2005 12:22Aan: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.
Thank you for replying..I don't receive a 
copy of emails I send to the list anymore (and I previously did) so I 
thought that they weren't getting thru.  Is this the same for everyone 
else?
 
Jayne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Melanie Sommeling 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing 
  again.
  
  yes I do :)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
    jesse/jayne 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:37 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing 
again.

does anyone receive my 
messges?
 
thanks
 
Jayne
 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] testing again.

[jesse/jayne]

Thank you for replying..I don't receive a copy 
of emails I send to the list anymore (and I previously did) so I thought that 
they weren't getting thru.  Is this the same for everyone 
else?
 
Jayne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Melanie 
  Sommeling 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing 
  again.
  
  yes I do :)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
jesse/jayne 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:37 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing 
again.

does anyone receive my messges?
 
thanks
 
Jayne
 
 

[ozmidwifery] testing again.

[jesse/jayne]

does anyone receive my messges?
 
thanks
 
Jayne
 
 

[ozmidwifery] test

[jesse/jayne]

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy

[jesse/jayne]

I'm so impressed Sally.  What a fantastic result.

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidural top-up Policy


> Unfortunately this is what women want/expect even. (see thread on dramatic
women) however, out here at Casey we don't offer epidurals as a first line
of pain relief at all, consequently out of the 54 births we have so far,
have had no epidurals at all...funnily enough, these women managed well with
very little pain relief at all, just good midwifery care, support and
encouragement.
>
> Sally
>
>
>
>
> Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
> > Gee, why should midwives have ANYTHING to do with epidurals??
> >
> > I thought midwifery was about well women and normal childbirth.
> >
> > Shouldn’t this be left to the Drs! Perhaps if midwives said this
we would see a change in practice!
> >
> > Can women in Parkes access deep warm water for pain relief?
> >
> > I am astounded that the majority of women can access Pethidine and an
epidural and yet a tiny majority have access to deep water
> > (sorry showers don’t count!)
> >
> > Natural pain relief, that’s the domian of midwifery
> >
> > JC
> >
> > Justine Caines
> > National President  Maternity Coalition Inc
> > PO Box 105
> > MERRIWA  NSW  2329
> > Ph: (02) 65482248
> > Fax: (02)65482902
> > Mob: 0408 210273
> > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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[ozmidwifery] another test...

[jesse/jayne]

I'm not getting mail from oz mid :(
 
 

[ozmidwifery] test

[jesse/jayne]

changed email addressesjust checking I'm still 
on list :)