Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] Into the digital void? – International Socialism

2016-10-19 Thread Anna Harris 
Orsan, I think what you are saying here links with the question Bob raised 
about agroecology on small scale farms, as the answer to corporate industrial 
agriculture. What is the difference and why is it so important?

It is clear that on small scale farms there is a possibility, even a tendency, 
towards a relationship to the soil, the livestock, the crops, and the 
environment. This profound connection raises the consciousness of those 
involved, so that they tend to feel protective of the resources they use, and 
respect the natural environment. This connection can address the alienation 
experienced by most of us when we remain totally cut off from where our food 
comes from, and how it is grown. This is not just a question of information, 
knowing the name of the farmer etc, but also a feeling of care which can be 
communicated by 'home grown' vegetables, or farmers markets.

This is not to say that we should not use automation where appropriate on small 
scale farms. But we need to recognise that the earth is our home, and should be 
treated with some reverence. When we harm the soil with fertilisers, weed 
killers and insecticides, we are killing our home.

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 00:07, Orsan Senalp  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is not surprising that in this, grounded critics of digital capitalism by 
> Upchurch, in an SWP comm tool, overlooks, as its targeted perspectives, 
> namely 'consciousness-ideology-alienation-hegemony' dimensions in the whole 
> thing. I think it is time to put forward such critics instead of trying to 
> grasp only the objective aspects of the issue. In my opinion the letter, 
> subjective aspect is as important and vital the objective aspects as we want 
> to not only understand but also change the reality imposed and steered by the 
> capital. 
> Orsan
> 
> 
>> On 17 okt. 2016, at 09:13, peter waterman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ​I may have previously posted this item, or another version of such.
>> 
>> However, I don't mind re-posting it in so far as it seems to be a major 
>> Marxist (not to mention Trotskyist or SWP) position on the matter.
>> 
>> My feeling is that it is over-determinist. Or that it's pessimism of the 
>> intellect is unbalanced by an optimism of the will?
>> 
>> Or, again, that the author does not recognise 1) the technological quantum 
>> leap that ICT represents (Castells compares it to the invention of the 
>> alphabet, not the steam-engine), nor 2) the contradictory nature of ICT.
>> 
>> So, finally, I would appreciate other - better qualified - opinions on the 
>> matter.
>> 
>> Pw
>> 
>> 
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Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] Into the digital void? – International Socialism

2016-10-17 Thread Michel Bauwens 
it's a brave attempt to de-fang what is happening so that it doesn't
threaten a classic anti-capitalist position, fair enough,

(as they say in french, 'circuler, il n'y a rien a voir')

but seeking commonality, we can agree with the author that:

"Technology will always be used by capital to reinforce its domination, but
can equally be used by workers to create a society not based on profit but
on the requirements and needs of society. The battle for control may well,
as Marx stated, be the key to human liberation, but rather than being
located in the “immaterial”, such ­struggles are firmly rooted in the
material challenge to capitalism."

The point is, not just to understand the world, but to do something about
it 

The professor's way , given the magazine it's published in, is likely to
count on the workers to strike against capital; but not to actually create
alternatives that take advantage of the new material conditions.

Michel

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:13 PM, peter waterman  wrote:

> ​I may have previously posted this item, or another version of such.
>
> However, I don't mind re-posting it in so far as it seems to be a major
> Marxist (not to mention Trotskyist or SWP) position on the matter.
>
> My feeling is that it is over-determinist. Or that it's pessimism of the
> intellect is unbalanced by an optimism of the will?
>
> Or, again, that the author does not recognise 1) the technological quantum
> leap that ICT represents (Castells compares it to the invention of the
> alphabet, not the steam-engine), nor 2) the contradictory nature of ICT.
>
> So, finally, I would appreciate other - better qualified - opinions on the
> matter.
>
> Pw
>
>
> ​
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