Re: [PAYCO] Ideology
Izwe Lethu Soso Mashiloane --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Thembeka Majali thembeka.maj...@gmail.com wrote: From: Thembeka Majali thembeka.maj...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Ideology To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:27 PM Dear comrades, Could I get a sense of cde Popo's confusion and the contradictions raised by many of those he had spoken to. Nevertheless my simple take on the issue is that PAC has been about improving the material conditions of the african masses such as the land to house the people, feed the people, clothe, treat illnesses and educate the people, how we relate with each other socially and otherwise and put african peoples interest at core. African people are experiencing exploitation by the employer from the factory floor and earn low wages and vent their anger and frustration to an immediate family member when knock off from work. The state has the responsibility to provide all of the above, protect its resources ie its people, cultures and its god given natural resources. The state plays a significant role in legislating what is produced,consumed, how things are produced and how they are controlled and distributed favouring the africans. What has happened is that africans have never benefitted from the countries wealth it has been in the hands of the few and still remains in the hands of the minority even todate the state has no control over its economy there is no equitable re-distribution of the countries wealth. We know that most african countries have no control over their economies, they have developed economies that are not favouring thier people but rather economies inherited from their colonial regimes. Now understanding Marx or Lenin is just an analytical tool to deepen your understanding of issues as Pan Africanists guided by organisational objectives. We need to understand Marx from an african context and he should talk to our needs as an africans. Otherwise for me the organisation is sitting with the problem of people wanting to be elected into positions of power or imposing themselves into positions of power with no clear vision or have weak capacity at all levels of social, economic and political analysis. Hence even your defunct leadership called for co-operation with the ruling party with no scientific evidence to qualify the need for such statement and later suggest that the Party may close shop, they are just immitating Sobukhwes leadership style that has worked for him at that particular time. Thembeka, On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:02 PM, kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: Greetings, I think the debate as raised by cde Popo is very important and key in finding ourselves in this political maze we find ourselves. But I propose that all of us should give ourselves time to study extensively the literature of our party, speeches of our founding fathers in conjunction with the writings of the following Pan Africanist Pioneers: Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah: #Class Struggle in Africa #Essential features of Nkrumaism by PANAF Editors #Africa Must Unite #The struggle Continues George Padmore: #Pan Africanism andd Communism Dr Babu # Socialist Africa or African Socialism Lets read these books and receive wisdom from great african revolutions and then embark on an informed and robust debate. I would be arguing from the point of view that PAC is a socialist party that pursue scientific socialism and shall refer you to founded positions by both founding fathers of the PAC and Pan Africanist leaders in Africa and in the diaspora. Yours for a classless society Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Thanks comrade for raising this thorny issue in our political mist. I think comrade during the years we have recruited people from different political thoughts. We rallied this people on the principle of aquiring more support for the election purpose. We did not rally this people on the principle of African Nationalism and Pan Africanism Ideas which makes the core of our ideology. That is the first mistake we have made and we should live with it. Time dictates to us this development. Secondly Mo-Afrika I think if people can go back and refere to our founding fathers speeches they will find answers to the issues you are raising. People need to know that Marxism addresses itself to the class struggle where the sociaty is divided in different classes. It does not address the Nationalist struggle or it does so on small scale. As Africans we are fighting a nationalist struggle. First we are oppresed as a Nation and not as a class(ofcouse there are classess within the same oppressed nation with the rise of a black elite class ochestrated by BEE). As to whether we are Marxist or Socialist one need to refere to what African leaders have said: that we remain neutral in all but non that affect the destiny of Afrika. To us Marxism, Lenninsm are tools of analisis to where we derive a solution to African
Re: [PAYCO] new political spaces
In transforming the PAC into an advanced organisation to occupy the centre stage of political developments in our political epoch we are confronted with arduous tasks and our experience is far from being adequate. SO WE MUST BE PREPARED AND BE GOOD IN LEARNING. Conditions changes all the time, to adopt one’s thinking to the new conditions, one must study. Even those who have a better grasp of Pan Africanism and Socialist revolution and are comparatively firm in their African Nationalist Struggle have to go on studying to absorb what is new and study new problems. We can learn what we did not know. We must not only be good in destroying the old order, we must be good in creating the new one. We must not forget the old but we must embrace the new. We must be able to see or create an opportunity in the new. Now there are two different attitudes towards learning from others. One is a dogmatic attitude of transplanting everything, whether or not is suited to our conditions, the other attitude is to use our heads and learn those things that suit our conditions and absorb whatever experience is useful to us. This is the attitude we should adopt. Theories of Marx, Lenin and Mao should not be regarded as dogma, but as a guide to action. Studying these theories should not be a matter of learning terms and phrases but of learning them as the science of revolution. We must see to it that all our cadres constantly bear in mind that ours is a struggle for a Democratic Socialist Order. Whenever we happen to be we must treasurer our manpower and material resources, and must not take short view or indulge in wasteful petty issues as it might be the case with us concerning the current PAC leadership. If we are not happy with the leadership we must work tirelessly to usurp that leadership. We must bear in mind that we are fighting a protracted warfare that must be maintained. In order to speed up this political restoration and development of PAC into a vibrant party to be reckoned we must do our utmost, in the cause of our struggle. We must destroy and abolition factionalism. We must take resolute measures against anyone who is destroying our movement by sewing and exacerbating the seeds of division. A dangerous tendency has shown itself of late in the PAC among many of our comrades, the unwillingness to share the gains and hardship of the struggling masses. This culminated into a concern by oneself of his personal fame and gains in the expense of the PAC. This is very bad and it has demonstrated that it can destroy the party. Our party is suffering because of our mistakes in dealing with concerns in the organisation. If we are to maintain that we do not recognise the current leadership which continues to be recognise by legal institutions of this country, then we are doomed. At the present this is the only PAC leadership that exist and every one of us who really needs to contribute in the political development of this country should use the PAC under the current leadership as the focal point. We can never make a meaningful contribution as Pan Africanists under PAC if our house is in tatters. We should swallow our pride and do away with our own selfish interests or revenge of whatever and help resuscitate this movement. Only through radical involvement and robust debates in a correct PAC platform will we make our contribution and mark in this political era. As individuals we cannot do much but as PAC we can. By PAC I mean PAC with NEC, PEC, REC, BEC’s and all the components structures. By PAC I do not refer to a certain ‘Pac’ under a tree somewhere in South Africa. If comrades we cannot be true to ourselves we are not able to take our masses anywhere. I wish to make a challenge to every person that we should derive the means to unite all the Pan Africanist Forces by April next. People should stop talking of Unity if they cannot take an initiative. To those who continue to use a foul bourgeoisie charterist language and disrespect other comrades I am saying to them you are synonymous to the enemies of revolution. YOU ARE ANTI PAC. Please all comrades with sensible mind and consciousness and those who do not fear to be labelled and be regarded unpopular and those who does not fear death by thousands cuts help me in fostering Unity in this organisation. I will only consider and entertain contributions by comrades who will never address PAC concern in a traditional vulgar bourgeoisie language. Peace Amongst the Africans and War Against the Enemy Forward to a United PAC From: Mawande Jack ja...@avusa.co.za To: PAYCO Azania paycoofaza...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; ttxu...@yahoo.com; chargein...@gmail.com; gilingwe.maye...@mayecon.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com Cc: Tsietsi molebat...@treetops.co.za Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:13:53 AM Subject: [PAYCO] new political spaces Comrades Some disgruntled sections from the ANC-Alliance who had
