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Izwe lethu M’Afrika Our understanding of practical actions that must be undertaken to salvage PAC implies that we should forge principled unity by identifying and drawing all those who held and continue to hold PAC membership into one political roof. What will be the rational of excluding former PAC members who formed PAM? If Comrades were keen to draw Don Mattera, Pitiki ka Ntuli and some leaders who publicly resigned from PAC active politics and leadership roles, why exclude PAC? Shangu lashu Nkrumah From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 September 2014 07:23 PM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: Malesela Mogashwa; po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; david mabitsela; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; znyam...@gmail.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; Mapula Nkoana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; Mbuyiselo Kantso; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; ic...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Is PAM involved in PAC matters? I do not agree with this one. On 05 Sep 2014 2:37 PM, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" wrote: Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 02:31 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Comrades, The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour. The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we achieve what we seek to achieve. This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting PAC aback. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 +0200 To: Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: Re: focused practical action from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 To: Mbuyiselo Kantso Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'sandla goqwana'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise; * September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC
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Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 02:31 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Comrades, The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour. The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we achieve what we seek to achieve. This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting PAC aback. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 +0200 To: Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: Re: focused practical action from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 To: Mbuyiselo Kantso Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'sandla goqwana'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise; * September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC Conference, the NEC introduced to delegates co-opted NEC members to name the few for the position of National Chairperson: Cde Raymond Fihla; Deputy President: Cde Ngila Muendane and others * the Conference rejected these appointments and resolved that Cde Mphethi is affirmed as President having resolved that Cde Mphahlele did not appeal his expulsion following internal processes; and further resolved that those NEC members who sided with Cde Mphahlele be invited back to the NEC, then Cde Mphethi reshuffle NEC and appoint 5 members based on their expertise into the NEC as per the Constitution. * the NEC did not invite the other NEC members, Mphethi did not reshuffle NEC instead he reinstated those appointments that were rejected by the Conference using the resolution that allowed him to appoint 5 members into the NEC based on their expertise * fast-forward to 2014: Cde Moloto wrote a communique complaining of NEC members [deprtmental secretariat] doing nothing; the legal costs, office rentals, staff payments are on his pocket * Cdes Narius and Mphethi have a disagreement over the R200 000 Election Registration Fee that was paid back by the IEC * Cde Mphethi went to his Deputy Muendane over this disagreement * Cde Narius wrote to Cde Muendane telling him he is no-longer a Deputy President because he was appointed wrongly not following Conference resolutions, [what is interesting here is that Moloto did not write to Fihla telling him the same] * In July Cde Moloto wrote a communique saying the NEC is below 30% quorum * All those co-option that were made by Cde Mphethi disappeared ONLY tw
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Comrade Linda You summation is crystal clear 1 Mediation, 2 National Programme of Action and 3 All Inclusive Conference, 100% agreed. It will be encouraging to hear views of other PAC members around these three broad issues! We must address the following:- Venue and Place, Dates and Time, and Convener! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 12:33 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades, >From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious >Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues: 1. Mediation 2. National Programme of Action, and 3. All-Inclusive National Conference. If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:06:46 +0200 To: ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'sandla goqwana'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Alton Mphethi'; ; ; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ; Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Shango lashu It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation Team with clear time lines. Shango lashu! Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: focused practical action Poqo, I mean all leaders . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures. Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that we all know. They have branches that they service . . . That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Cde Siya Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two paralle
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Comrades, >From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious >Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues: 1. Mediation 2. National Programme of Action, and 3. All-Inclusive National Conference. If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:06:46 To: Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'sandla goqwana'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Alton Mphethi'; ; ; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ; Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Shango lashu It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation Team with clear time lines. Shango lashu! Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: focused practical action Poqo, I mean all leaders . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures. Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that we all know. They have branches that they service . . . That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Cde Siya Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two parallel structures for example! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: RE: focused practical action The first step then zinkokheli, Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces; that meeting will agree on * unification strategy and mediation that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all proposals as you suggest them and identif
RE: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action
Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b.Mediation team should furthermore engage PAC comrades who formed PAM to return (added). c.Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; d.The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; e.All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; f. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; g.Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; h.Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; i. Thus inclusive conference should be in reality inclusive and unifying based on principles and programme of action! There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah Shango lashu From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 09:53 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can salvage any unwarranted situation. When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@w
Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action
Comrades Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can salvage any unwarranted situation. When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From:Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi Subject: Re: focused practical action Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process to hand over the party to the members. 3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases. 4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left.. 5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the process as we see it. 6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline, parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted except for aspects which maybe divisive. 7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with all administrative matters needed for a successful congress. Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important positions that requires a highly m
