RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
Ma-Afrika Unity is the fundamental principle in all our work as party cadres in that the PAC, an organisation respresents a melting pot of ideas and views and provides everyone with the ultimate sense of belonging and serves as an enabler for each and everyone of us realise our full potential. Before getting intergrated into party confines, we are but a raw social material and hence individualistically narrow in our perspectives, oulooks and general social interactions. Only within the PAC can we graduate into complete social beings by way of political socialisation undertaken systematically through the medium of the unifying Africanist ideology which vehemently eschews factionalism, tribal tendencies, petty bourgeois arrogance, small-minded talk, and a host of other western capitalist chauvinist vices. What then are we striving for as the party, primarily for party unity, constantly for a unified ideological outlook, and ultimately for the United States of Africa and a global Pan-Africanist peoplehood. Our primary responsibility is to ourselves as the personifaction and embodiment of these levels of unity which history and the logic of conditions in our society bestows in us thus allowing very little chance to chose particular forms of action other than those that maximise unity, philosophically as social meaning, value and purpose. In other words, well-grounded Africanists desire nothing less or more other that unity in words and deeds. In the final analysis unity is an attitude of mind and a way of life of all Africanists in their relationship with one another, with the masses, with nature and ultimately with God. It why at various stages of the party's life, tend to emerge critical questions of unity and figures propagating party or organisational unity more forcefully than others. It is because it is in the nature of party life for that situation to prevail. These are not default actions by politically misdirected individuals or opportunists but represents more a dynamic urge to work in the fulfillment of something lacking within that member concerned first and foremost.There can be no higher service in the PAC, no political fulfillment among party cadres, no job well done and no deam realised, other than dedicating oneself to party unity. This is the highest form of party discipline and any member commitment to party work and progress shall at all times be measured on that score. There can be no better unifier than the sum of cadres dedicated to party work bacause it pressuposes the ultimate fulfillment of service to our people. Let allow all activities, all endeavours, large and small, towards unity be given free reign. Let all these schools of thought, methods and approaches within the party in search of unity contend for the party to emerge purer and purer in the whole crucible of the African people's historical destiny. Izwe Lethu!! I-Afrika!! Mawande Jack From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate
RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
We must establish the principles for party unity.unprincipled unity is artificial and unsestanable pac does need that.there is one pac and will always have one pac.since its inception pac always had factions and i just cant imagine pac without factions which thinks they are the real pac. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate or rather a personal hate to Letlapa and others. This unity does not concern Letlapa and few others, it concern the majority of us who want to see a united PAC. Your excusses cannot be accepted. You are either for the unity of PAC or you are unti unity of PAC period. For Africanist Unity!! Viva PAC _ From: Dzumbu Mmbara dzu...@live.com To: PAYCO payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:49 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity http://payco.org.za/index.php/payco-members-forum/4-ideology-and-general-pol itics/11-indeed-pac-needs-unity 1 Hour, 50 Minutes ago Dear Africanists, Allow me to express my self on the issue of Unity talks as propagated and envisaged by party stalwarts like Johnson Mlambo, Dr Stanley Mogoba, Joe Mkhwanazi and other party founding members. The idea of unity and cohesion in the PAC is paramount and supported by PAYCO and surely by all in the PAC. Having said the above, as PAYCO we believe any talk of unity must be founded on shared common goals and driven by common desires. We stand for unity of purpose, hence we've been calling for unity of purpose and the adoption of a National Programme of Action that would drive and direct our programmes, activities and goals as an organisation. We share the concerns raised by the comrades who are propagating for Unity Talks, but we disagree with the approach adopted completely. We believe any attempt to handle party unity cannot succeed as long as those who lead that process are not brutally honest with those they are trying to unite. For starters, we have not heard these leaders denouncing factionalism that is fueled by Mphahlele in the party, rejecting the creation of parallel structures, physical assaults to party members, non distribution of party membership cards, disbandment of structures that refuse to support an Agenda to destroy the party and total disregard of party constitution. We expect those who lead this process to speak out against these destructive tendencies as they have been unashamed to attack PAYCO for its non support of the Unity Talks. PAYCO can also put on record that it has not been formally engaged on this matter , which is quite strage. You would normally expect that structures would be formally engaged individually on the objectives of the process and be given an opportunity to interrogate the entire process and to take into confidence its structures on the ground. This has not been the case with these Unity Talks. The main contenders have not been engaged, we've been hearing about the Unity Talks on Facebook and over the grapevine. We hold a view that this process has not been properly handled therefore cannot succeed to unite PAC. PAYCO also feels it was completely out
Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
Izwe Lethu Mo Afrika Mawande. I reserve my comment because you said it mouthfully. Let other comrade listen to your advice. Through your contribution I can see the glims of Afrika United and Afrika Rejuvinated Izwe Lethu!! From: Mawande Jack ja...@avusa.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com; Cunningham Ngcukana cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani sizan...@mweb.co.za; gilingwe.maye...@mayecon.co.za; Tsietsi molebat...@treetops.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za; Vuyani Mbinda vmbind...@yahoo.com; mbi...@mtcec.co.za; ayandabil...@webmail.co.za Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 10:27:44 AM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Ma-Afrika Unity is the fundamental principle in all our work as party cadres in that the PAC, an organisation respresents a melting pot of ideas and views and provides everyone with the ultimate sense of belonging and serves as an enabler for each and everyone of us realise our full potential. Before getting intergrated into party confines, we are but a raw social material and hence individualistically narrow in our perspectives, oulooks and general social interactions. Only within the PAC can we graduate into complete social beings by way of political socialisation undertaken systematically through the medium of the unifying Africanist ideology which vehemently eschews factionalism, tribal tendencies, petty bourgeois arrogance, small-minded talk, and a host of other western capitalist chauvinist vices. What then are we striving for as the party, primarily for party unity, constantly for a unified ideological outlook, and ultimately for the United States of Africa and a global Pan-Africanist peoplehood. Our primary responsibility is to ourselves as the personifaction and embodiment of these levels of unity which history and the logic of conditions in our society bestows in us thus allowing very little chance to chose particular forms of action other than those that maximise unity, philosophically as social meaning, value and purpose. In other words, well-grounded Africanists desire nothing less or more other that unity in words and deeds. In the final analysis unity is an attitude of mind and a way of life of all Africanists in their relationship with one another, with the masses, with nature and ultimately with God. It why at various stages of the party's life, tend to emerge critical questions of unity and figures propagating party or organisational unity more forcefully than others. It is because it is in the nature of party life for that situation to prevail. These are not default actions by politically misdirected individuals or opportunists but represents more a dynamic urge to work in the fulfillment of something lacking within that member concerned first and foremost.There can be no higher service in the PAC, no political fulfillment among party cadres, no job well done and no deam realised, other than dedicating oneself to party unity. This is the highest form of party discipline and any member commitment to party work and progress shall at all times be measured on that score. There can be no better unifier than the sum of cadres dedicated to party work bacause it pressuposes the ultimate fulfillment of service to our people. Let allow all activities, all endeavours, large and small, towards unity be given free reign. Let all these schools of thought, methods and approaches within the party in search of unity contend for the party to emerge purer and purer in the whole crucible of the African people's historical destiny. Izwe Lethu!! I-Afrika!! Mawande Jack From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic
Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
Dear Comrade Moloto I acknowlegde receipt of the e-mail.I agree with your views on the question of unity in the PAC. Regards Hloni From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 10:30:48 AM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity We must establish the principles for party unity.unprincipled unity is artificial and unsestanable pac does need that.there is one pac and will always have one pac.since its inception pac always had factions and i just cant imagine pac without factions which thinks they are the real pac. From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate or rather a personal hate to Letlapa and others. This unity does not concern Letlapa and few others, it concern the majority of us who want to see a united PAC. Your excusses cannot be accepted. You are either for the unity of PAC or you are unti unity of PAC period. For Africanist Unity!! Viva PAC From:Dzumbu Mmbara dzu...@live.com To: PAYCO payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:49 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity http://payco.org.za/index.php/payco-members-forum/4-ideology-and-general-politics/11-indeed-pac-needs-unity 1 Hour, 50 Minutes ago Dear Africanists, Allow me to express my self on the issue of Unity talks as propagated and envisaged by party stalwarts like Johnson Mlambo, Dr Stanley Mogoba, Joe Mkhwanazi and other party founding members. The idea of unity and cohesion in the PAC is paramount and supported by PAYCO and surely by all in the PAC. Having said the above, as PAYCO we believe any talk of unity must be founded on shared common goals and driven by common desires. We stand for unity of purpose, hence we've been calling for unity of purpose and the adoption of a National Programme of Action that would drive and direct our programmes, activities and goals as an organisation. We share the concerns raised by the comrades who are propagating for Unity Talks, but we disagree with the approach adopted completely. We believe any attempt to handle party unity cannot succeed as long as those who lead that process are not brutally honest with those they are trying to unite. For starters, we have not heard these leaders denouncing factionalism that is fueled by Mphahlele in the party, rejecting the creation of parallel structures, physical assaults to party members, non distribution of party membership cards, disbandment of structures that refuse to support an Agenda to destroy the party and total disregard of party constitution. We expect those who lead this process to speak out against these destructive tendencies as they have been unashamed to attack PAYCO for its non support of the Unity Talks. PAYCO can also put on record that it has not been formally engaged on this matter , which is quite strage. You would normally expect that structures would be formally engaged individually on the objectives of the process and be given an opportunity to interrogate the entire process and to take
RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
Ntate Jack, Thanks for bringing sanity and hope with your sober analysis, singama Afirka sonke let there be love amongst us. Let our minds be set for unity and the issues that face us must tackle with the constructive mentality. What lie before us and what lie behind us are tiny matters compared to what lie within us Thanks Elijah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mawande Jack Sent: 24 May 2010 10:28 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Cunningham Ngcukana; Khaliphile Sizani; gilingwe.maye...@mayecon.co.za; Tsietsi; sero...@hotmail.com; Mduduzi Sibeko; Vuyani Mbinda; mbi...@mtcec.co.za; ayandabil...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Ma-Afrika Unity is the fundamental principle in all our work as party cadres in that the PAC, an organisation respresents a melting pot of ideas and views and provides everyone with the ultimate sense of belonging and serves as an enabler for each and everyone of us realise our full potential. Before getting intergrated into party confines, we are but a raw social material and hence individualistically narrow in our perspectives, oulooks and general social interactions. Only within the PAC can we graduate into complete social beings by way of political socialisation undertaken systematically through the medium of the unifying Africanist ideology which vehemently eschews factionalism, tribal tendencies, petty bourgeois arrogance, small-minded talk, and a host of other western capitalist chauvinist vices. What then are we striving for as the party, primarily for party unity, constantly for a unified ideological outlook, and ultimately for the United States of Africa and a global Pan-Africanist peoplehood. Our primary responsibility is to ourselves as the personifaction and embodiment of these levels of unity which history and the logic of conditions in our society bestows in us thus allowing very little chance to chose particular forms of action other than those that maximise unity, philosophically as social meaning, value and purpose. In other words, well-grounded Africanists desire nothing less or more other that unity in words and deeds. In the final analysis unity is an attitude of mind and a way of life of all Africanists in their relationship with one another, with the masses, with nature and ultimately with God. It why at various stages of the party's life, tend to emerge critical questions of unity and figures propagating party or organisational unity more forcefully than others. It is because it is in the nature of party life for that situation to prevail. These are not default actions by politically misdirected individuals or opportunists but represents more a dynamic urge to work in the fulfillment of something lacking within that member concerned first and foremost.There can be no higher service in the PAC, no political fulfillment among party cadres, no job well done and no deam realised, other than dedicating oneself to party unity. This is the highest form of party discipline and any member commitment to party work and progress shall at all times be measured on that score. There can be no better unifier than the sum of cadres dedicated to party work bacause it pressuposes the ultimate fulfillment of service to our people. Let allow all activities, all endeavours, large and small, towards unity be given free reign. Let all these schools of thought, methods and approaches within the party in search of unity contend for the party to emerge purer and purer in the whole crucible of the African people's historical destiny. Izwe Lethu!! I-Afrika!! Mawande Jack From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mohlomph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue
Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity
Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate or rather a personal hate to Letlapa and others. This unity does not concern Letlapa and few others, it concern the majority of us who want to see a united PAC. Your excusses cannot be accepted. You are either for the unity of PAC or you are unti unity of PAC period. For Africanist Unity!! Viva PAC From: Dzumbu Mmbara dzu...@live.com To: PAYCO payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:49 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity http://payco.org.za/index.php/payco-members-forum/4-ideology-and-general-politics/11-indeed-pac-needs-unity 1 Hour, 50 Minutes ago Dear Africanists, Allow me to express my self on the issue of Unity talks as propagated and envisaged by party stalwarts like Johnson Mlambo, Dr Stanley Mogoba, Joe Mkhwanazi and other party founding members. The idea of unity and cohesion in the PAC is paramount and supported by PAYCO and surely by all in the PAC. Having said the above, as PAYCO we believe any talk of unity must be founded on shared common goals and driven by common desires. We stand for unity of purpose, hence we've been calling for unity of purpose and the adoption of a National Programme of Action that would drive and direct our programmes, activities and goals as an organisation. We share the concerns raised by the comrades who are propagating for Unity Talks, but we disagree with the approach adopted completely. We believe any attempt to handle party unity cannot succeed as long as those who lead that process are not brutally honest with those they are trying to unite. For starters, we have not heard these leaders denouncing factionalism that is fueled by Mphahlele in the party, rejecting the creation of parallel structures, physical assaults to party members, non distribution of party membership cards, disbandment of structures that refuse to support an Agenda to destroy the party and total disregard of party constitution. We expect those who lead this process to speak out against these destructive tendencies as they have been unashamed to attack PAYCO for its non support of the Unity Talks. PAYCO can also put on record that it has not been formally engaged on this matter , which is quite strage. You would normally expect that structures would be formally engaged individually on the objectives of the process and be given an opportunity to interrogate the entire process and to take into confidence its structures on the ground. This has not been the case with these Unity Talks. The main contenders have not been engaged, we've been hearing about the Unity Talks on Facebook and over the grapevine. We hold a view that this process has not been properly handled therefore cannot succeed to unite PAC. PAYCO also feels it was completely out of order for the proponents of the Unity Talks to undermine the Cape Town Convention and its resolutions in pursuing Unity Talks. The organisers of the Unity Talks have undermined the National Task Team, a structure that was given a mandate to lead the PAC to the National Policy Conference and the National Congress. The National Task Team is the only structure that commands respect from all party component structures,e.i, PAYCO, PASMA, PAWO, PALF, APLAMVA and PASO. PAYCO shall only partake in unity Talks that put constitutionality first and that is driven by the National Task Team or jointly driven with the National Task Team. PAC needs no Messiahs to salvage it from this quagmire it finds itself into, we are quite capable to resolve our problems on our own. United We Stand! Divided We Fall!!! Foward Ever!!! Backward Never!!! Izwe Lethu!! Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You
