Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi Kevin. Thanks for the interesting information. How many hours of playing time can you get with 192 kbps. They say that MP3 files are a tenth the size of wav files. Is that figured at 128 kbps? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I don't know whether the issues with the full version of 1.51 were only screen reader related but they may well be. I don't think there's a company behind this software just a very generous individual. People pay for an interface that isn't as accessible and easy to use as CDEX and yet uses exactly the same encoder so it really is the best freeware around as far as I'm concerned. That's why the documentation for variable bit usage is not that extensive. It's not a CDEX feature, it's a lame feature. These are all settings provided by the lame encoder and the CDEX developer has just given some basic details on what settings can be changed in the lame encoder. I'll take a look at the average bit rate setting which I believe is VBR-ABR as you mentioned. However, I wouldn't use this method of ripping over the variable bit rate as it works subtly differently. With average bit rate, the whole file is analysed and the average calculated so if you have a file that is 2 minutes of 128kbps and 2 minutes of 256kbps, the average is going to be 192kbps. With this setting the whole file will be ripped at 192kbps so you use more space in the 2 minutes of 128kbps that you didn't really need and you lose 128kbps of extra sound information from the 2 minutes at 256kbps that is required for high quality reproduction. With variable bit rate, in the example above, you'd have got 2 minutes at 128kbps and 2 minutes at 256kbps as each frame of the MP3 file is analysed individually to ascertain how many bits per second are required to reproduce high quality sound. In this very simplistic example, both files would have been the same size `192kbps multiplied by 4 minutes and 128kbps multiplied by 2 minutes plus 256kbps multiplied by 2 minutes. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I'm curious. If the full version didn't work, and the company knew it, why didn't they just work on it until it was ready for prime time instead of leaving this Beta thing online for download? Is it possible that it was only with screen reader people that it failed, and is in use otherwise, so that only blind users are still using the beta, instead of the finished product? I - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going to be a final version released? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I use that version of CDEX as I think most people on the list do. There is actually an updated version 1.6 available now but I'm not sure what the new features are. It's true that when you hit enter on a help topic, JAWS will start reading the page. You can't use your PC cursor to read the page back but you can use the JAWS cursor to do so. Alternatively, use control + A to select and control + C to copy and paste into a word document. This does work and here's the CDEX introduction copied in exactly that way. Introduction This document describes CDex, a utility for extracting sound files from CDs in your CD-ROM drive, and for converting WAV files into several other (compressed) formats, like the popular MP3 format. The latest version of
Re: gold wave email address
Hello Anthony and everyone: to subscribe send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or if you are already a member you can send a message to the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] hth Juan Sosa Skype owner/moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mexican2004 - Original Message - From: anthony campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: gold wave email address hi all, please can some on egive me the address for the gold wave list. cheers Anthony/Miller/tadley email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype name: anthonycampbell1294 home phone: 01642 640472 mobile number call or text on: 07788683791 i am also the joint manager of [EMAIL PROTECTED] to joined the group please send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] scanned by norton anti virus ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: gold wave email address
hi thanks for that info - Original Message - From: Juan Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: Re: gold wave email address Hello Anthony and everyone: to subscribe send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or if you are already a member you can send a message to the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] hth Juan Sosa Skype owner/moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mexican2004 - Original Message - From: anthony campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: gold wave email address hi all, please can some on egive me the address for the gold wave list. cheers Anthony/Miller/tadley email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype name: anthonycampbell1294 home phone: 01642 640472 mobile number call or text on: 07788683791 i am also the joint manager of [EMAIL PROTECTED] to joined the group please send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] scanned by norton anti virus ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to using the default vbr settings is. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate types. First you have Disabled, then you have the default one, I guess that's what you're expected to use normally. Then you have a couple of variations whose names I don't understand. And then, last on the list, is an option written as VBR -ABR! could this be the choice that sets the encoder to use an average bit rate, as a sub-type of variable bit rate? Does anyone know? this program, though the price is right and the operation fairly simple to navigate with a screen reader, is pretty bad in terms of how things are named and how the documentation is written. I mean, it truly makes no sense at time. It doesn't say, for instance, how to set VBR or ABR despite discussing them, and I see it's given one reader the opposite idea of what it meant by cautioning against not using a floor setting. Same for the on the fly explanation. It starts by saying one thing, then reverses itself not out of intention but just because the writing is confused, and no one edited it for clarity. I believe your own explanation of the on the fly deal sounded right. I've noticed that ripping takes much longer when you uncheck it, so I assume this is because those operations I'm hearing tracked by the progress bar involve a first one that writes the track to an image, as you put it, and then it converts that to an .mp3. But honestly, this stuff wouldn't be so hard if the interface and documentation were a little better done. I know, beggars can't be choosers. So step on my pencil cup and smash my blues guitar. But still. Okay, so what about the ABR setting? Is that how you'd make it? and then do you still set a minimum and maximum for it to work with? thanks, guys. coencodr fr - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations,
Replay Radio Driver Question
I'm using the replay Radio driver with good results when recording with that program, but I am running into a problem with the driver. Whenever I log onto windows, the Replay driver takes over for my sound card as default for just about all audio instances, no matter the program or audio format, creating the need to correct the problem on a daily basis. How can I limit the Replay Driver to activity involving Replay Radio only.? Thanks in advance. Larry ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi, I'm not planning to file a consumer lawsuit against whoever provides CDex. Don't worry. I've simply expressed curiosity about how a Beta version came to be permanently online as the only available example of a program. Someone suggested a likely scenario-- a busy philanthropic programmer who didn't have time or inclination to refine the bugs out of a final version that didn't work as it should have-- and that's fine. I was simply curious, and puzzled by the unfinished and confused character of the manual. Others don't mind struggling to read between its lines, but I can't help at least mentioning the frustration it causes me because I feel that lack of clarity in documentation is an unnecessary and unwelcome additional inconvenience at times like this on top of having to deal with a program without being able to see its interface. That's all. Hope this is clear. All best, Daniel additional oxplained that itrovdes - Original Message - From: Wil James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Remember, it is your choice whether to install a beta copy of software. Beta means the product isn't fully live yet, that there are still issues with the program. Beta testing is a way for the users to give feedback to the developer of outstanding issues with the program. I'm straying off topic for this list, so I'll be quiet now. - This message was written and composed on the Pac mate. -- Visit my blog at http://wil.wilanddenise.com -- -Original Message- From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/10/05 7:41:02 PM To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I'm curious. If the full version didn't work, and the company knew it, why didn't they just work on it until it was ready for prime time instead of leaving this Beta thing online for download? Is it possible that it was only with screen reader people that it failed, and is in use otherwise, so that only blind users are still using the beta, instead of the finished product? I - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going to be a final version released? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I use that version of CDEX as I think most people on the list do. There is actually an updated version 1.6 available now but I'm not sure what the new features are. It's true that when you hit enter on a help topic, JAWS will start reading the page. You can't use your PC cursor to read the page back but you can use the JAWS cursor to do so. Alternatively, use control + A to select and control + C to copy and paste into a word document. This does work and here's the CDEX introduction copied in exactly that way. Introduction This document describes CDex, a utility for extracting sound files from CDs in your CD-ROM drive, and for converting WAV files into several other (compressed) formats, like the popular MP3 format. The latest version of CDex can be downloaded from: http://www.cdex.n3.net System Requirements Status of CDex Acknowledgements Change log Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CdEx settings check
Kevin, Thanks for the offer to look at the files, but I've since deleted one of them, the one done at the blat bit rate. So far, the things I've ripped with the variable rate bounded by 128 and 320 sound all right. BTW, can you define what is meant by sonic complexity in this context? A gaggle of instruments with different timbres playing at once, or any instrument with a lot of overtones making up its tone color, or...? I have some understanding of audio and of music, so if you know what sort of complexity it is that challenges too low a bit rate, please explain, and I'll ask about whatever I may not understand. Thanks. the only similar concept I do know is that of having enough power flexibility in an amplifier to accomodate peaks of output level without distortion. There's something analogous to this, I suppose. But I know it isn't the same thing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Hi. Yes, it's highly likely that the track you ripped didn't need 192kbps at all when ripped at high quality. That's the beauty of variable bit rates in saving disc space without compromising quality. You can check the bit rate that was used in a number of programs. Winamp can do this by using the keystroke insert + I. Arrow down to bit rate but beware that winamp isn't very good at telling you variable bit rate averages. It rounds to the nearest setting such as 128, 160, 192, 224, 256 or 320. I use a program called audigen to catalogue all of my MP3's and this database will tell me the exact variable bit rate average that the file has been ripped at. I'm listening to a Metallica track at present that winamp reports as ripped at 320kbps but audigen tells me is ripped at an average of 261kpbs. I also use a free program called MP3TRIM which also will show the variable bit rate accurately. This reports the track as ripped at an average of 261.5kbps. If you'd like me to take a look and listen to that track ripped in both ways just send it along to me at the address below. I'll let you know what I find off list. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check P.S. If it's pertinent to specify this, the track is fairly simple acoustically. Just piano and voice (Randy Newman's You Can Leave Your Hat On, from the Randy Newman songbook Vol. 1). I'm just guessing, but maybe now that I've enabled the variable bit rate, it determined that the track could stand even more compression than when I had the variable bit rate inadvertently disabled? Naive questions, I know. Just trying to figure this out. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Kevin, One question. For the sake of comparison, I moved a folder containing one of my ripped CDs to another place on my hard drive so I could rip the same album again using the settings you suggested. Well, And then I listened to the two different versions of the track. But also, I loooked at the properties for each file to see how large they were. To my rurpise, the file I just ripped after setting my options as you suggested was *smaller* than the earlier version I'd created. The earlier one was 4.51 Mb, and the new one, which I expected to be larger because of the high quality, bigger maximum bit rate settings, was *smaller,* only 3.07 Mb. Let me tell you the old settings and then the new ones as ou recommended. Old version of ripped track: minimum bit rate 192 maximuim bit rate 224 variable rate was showing disabled quality high your settings: min. bit rate 128 max bit rate 320 variable bit rate now set to default quality high One thing I hadn't expected was that the file should be smaller now, and I don't need it to be smaller. Have I done something incorrectly? From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Hi Daniel. I'll address some of your questions below by letting you know what settings I use and why. I also have a critical ear and also confess to being a metal head. Despite what some might think about metal, it actually needs a high bit rate to get everything out of the extremes. By the way, any setting I don't mention ain't important and should be left at default value as far as I'm concerned. 1. Thread priority - below normal - I set it here so that I can carry on using my computer without any sluggishness. Normal isn't too bad but above is obviously faster to rip but takes over your computer.
Re: Removing Pops and clicks
HellO! Of course. They only want monney. /Anders. - Original Message - From: Robert Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks Sorry Anders, I don't know, as I don't have version 8 but I think I read somewhere that it's an extra that you have to purchase. Best. Robert. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks HellO! I just wonder where the pop and crackle removal is i nsoundforge? Version 8? Doesn't this tool comes whithin the noisereduction plugin? /Anders. - Original Message - From: Robert Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks Hi Anders, Over the past few days, I've tried different ways of removing pops and clicks with varying results and am now back using Sound Forge. I've come to the conclusion for a novice, like me, it is certainly the easiest to use and consequently more effective. One thing I did discover from using one of the other programmes is: when copying a tape or other recording, such as vinyl, it is best to keep the bit of track before and after the recording actually begins and ends. Then when the Pop and Crackle Remover is run, the information is used to remove surface noise. It has made a great difference to the end results I am now getting. I have also tried to do a better job of cleaning the records before copying and will continue to look for even better cleaning products. One tip I got from using Google, is to use a piece of plain old fashioned velvet for cleaning off surface dust. I then use a product for cleaning glass that I use on my scanner. They are called 'Cleaning Wipes' and are pieces of soft paper that have been soaked in some sort of cleaning solution. They come in packs of 50 hermetically sealed sachets and do a pretty good job. For removing the occasional really loud pops that are sometimes missed by the automatic removal method, I've found it is easy to remove them manually with Sound Forge. When recording an LP, I time it and make a note of the time where these pops occur. I can then easily find them when the recording is finished. Then, using the left and right arrow keys the pop can be isolated with a bracket either side, enabling it to be lifted out of the recording, leaving the original sound in tact. I do hope this is of some help to someone and if anybody else has further tips, I'd love to hear them. Best. Robert. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks 0HellO! And if you try to search google you can find alot of free pop/click plugins out there. I think i was searching for vinyl restoration. Or you can go to: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/AUDIO_RESTORATION/ And try some things out there. /Anders. - Original Message - From: Robert Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks Thanks Peter. That's another one for me to try. Best. Robert. - Original Message - From: Peter West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Removing Pops and clicks Hi Robert, If you're not happy with the click and crackle removal of SF may i suggest DePopper which costs around $18 and is available from: http://www.droidinfo.com/software/depopper You can download a trial version from there. Good luck. Peter West On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:36:26 +0100, Robert Stokes wrote: Hi Folks, I've embarked on the daunting but enjoyable task of copying a very large collection of LP records onto computer, using Sound Forge. The quality of the recordings is generally very good but some do have annoying pops and clicks. I've tried using the presets in Sound Forge's 'Pop and Crackle remover without much success. I could probably get rid of some of the noises manually but that would be far too time consuming. If anyone can offer advice or knows of another programme for removing unwanted sounds, I'd love to hear from them. Best. Robert. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio
Re: joining several mp3s in to 1 file??
Hi Juan. If you have the CD and those tracks are contiguous then you can use CDEX to rip them into a single track. Simply select the tracks you want to be joined and then use function key F11 to start the rip rather than the usual F8 or F9. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Juan Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: joining several mp3s in to 1 file?? Hello everyone: just wondering if does anyone know of a good program to use so that I can put 10 mp3s in to 1 file? another words, I got a cd with 10 different songs and what I want is instead of having them separate I want to put them together. would appreciate very much some info. thanks Juan Sosa Skype owner/moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mexican2004 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi Gary. Yes, that rough calculation is based on 128kbps which equates to 1MB per minute of music. So, at 128kbps you're going to get 700 minutes of music ripped at that quality or approximately 11 hours. Now, if you rip at 192kbps your files are going to be 1 and a half times bigger. So, at 192kbps you're going to get 400 minutes of music or approximately 7 hours. These are very approximate estimates so don't sue me. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi Kevin. Thanks for the interesting information. How many hours of playing time can you get with 192 kbps. They say that MP3 files are a tenth the size of wav files. Is that figured at 128 kbps? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I don't know whether the issues with the full version of 1.51 were only screen reader related but they may well be. I don't think there's a company behind this software just a very generous individual. People pay for an interface that isn't as accessible and easy to use as CDEX and yet uses exactly the same encoder so it really is the best freeware around as far as I'm concerned. That's why the documentation for variable bit usage is not that extensive. It's not a CDEX feature, it's a lame feature. These are all settings provided by the lame encoder and the CDEX developer has just given some basic details on what settings can be changed in the lame encoder. I'll take a look at the average bit rate setting which I believe is VBR-ABR as you mentioned. However, I wouldn't use this method of ripping over the variable bit rate as it works subtly differently. With average bit rate, the whole file is analysed and the average calculated so if you have a file that is 2 minutes of 128kbps and 2 minutes of 256kbps, the average is going to be 192kbps. With this setting the whole file will be ripped at 192kbps so you use more space in the 2 minutes of 128kbps that you didn't really need and you lose 128kbps of extra sound information from the 2 minutes at 256kbps that is required for high quality reproduction. With variable bit rate, in the example above, you'd have got 2 minutes at 128kbps and 2 minutes at 256kbps as each frame of the MP3 file is analysed individually to ascertain how many bits per second are required to reproduce high quality sound. In this very simplistic example, both files would have been the same size `192kbps multiplied by 4 minutes and 128kbps multiplied by 2 minutes plus 256kbps multiplied by 2 minutes. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I'm curious. If the full version didn't work, and the company knew it, why didn't they just work on it until it was ready for prime time instead of leaving this Beta thing online for download? Is it possible that it was only with screen reader people that it failed, and is in use otherwise, so that only blind users are still using the beta, instead of the finished product? I - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going to be a final version released? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list.
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
I think you've just about summed it up there Daniel. I wouldn't use a floor of less than 128kbps for music but here's the info from the manual explaining the differences: Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to using the default vbr settings is. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate types. First you have Disabled, then you have the default one, I guess that's what you're expected to use normally. Then you have a couple of variations whose names I don't understand. And then, last on the list, is an option written as VBR -ABR! could this be the choice that sets
Re: CdEx settings check
Sonic complexity is defined, in my own layman's terms, as the number of instruments and vocals simultaneously playing with elements of the frequency range at the extreme high and low levels. So, for example, a rock track with two lead guitars, bass, drums and the vocals of perhaps Robert Plant or Ian Gillan is going to b more complex than Neil Young and an acoustic guitar. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Kevin, Thanks for the offer to look at the files, but I've since deleted one of them, the one done at the blat bit rate. So far, the things I've ripped with the variable rate bounded by 128 and 320 sound all right. BTW, can you define what is meant by sonic complexity in this context? A gaggle of instruments with different timbres playing at once, or any instrument with a lot of overtones making up its tone color, or...? I have some understanding of audio and of music, so if you know what sort of complexity it is that challenges too low a bit rate, please explain, and I'll ask about whatever I may not understand. Thanks. the only similar concept I do know is that of having enough power flexibility in an amplifier to accomodate peaks of output level without distortion. There's something analogous to this, I suppose. But I know it isn't the same thing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Hi. Yes, it's highly likely that the track you ripped didn't need 192kbps at all when ripped at high quality. That's the beauty of variable bit rates in saving disc space without compromising quality. You can check the bit rate that was used in a number of programs. Winamp can do this by using the keystroke insert + I. Arrow down to bit rate but beware that winamp isn't very good at telling you variable bit rate averages. It rounds to the nearest setting such as 128, 160, 192, 224, 256 or 320. I use a program called audigen to catalogue all of my MP3's and this database will tell me the exact variable bit rate average that the file has been ripped at. I'm listening to a Metallica track at present that winamp reports as ripped at 320kbps but audigen tells me is ripped at an average of 261kpbs. I also use a free program called MP3TRIM which also will show the variable bit rate accurately. This reports the track as ripped at an average of 261.5kbps. If you'd like me to take a look and listen to that track ripped in both ways just send it along to me at the address below. I'll let you know what I find off list. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check P.S. If it's pertinent to specify this, the track is fairly simple acoustically. Just piano and voice (Randy Newman's You Can Leave Your Hat On, from the Randy Newman songbook Vol. 1). I'm just guessing, but maybe now that I've enabled the variable bit rate, it determined that the track could stand even more compression than when I had the variable bit rate inadvertently disabled? Naive questions, I know. Just trying to figure this out. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: CdEx settings check Kevin, One question. For the sake of comparison, I moved a folder containing one of my ripped CDs to another place on my hard drive so I could rip the same album again using the settings you suggested. Well, And then I listened to the two different versions of the track. But also, I loooked at the properties for each file to see how large they were. To my rurpise, the file I just ripped after setting my options as you suggested was *smaller* than the earlier version I'd created. The earlier one was 4.51 Mb, and the new one, which I expected to be larger because of the high quality, bigger maximum bit rate settings, was *smaller,* only 3.07 Mb. Let me tell you the old settings and then the new ones as ou recommended. Old version of ripped track: minimum bit rate 192 maximuim bit rate 224 variable rate was showing disabled quality high your settings: min. bit rate 128 max bit rate 320 variable bit rate now set to default quality high One thing I hadn't expected was that the file should be smaller now, and I don't need it to be smaller. Have I done something incorrectly? From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list.
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 /
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi, As I've said, I read all the below already; that's what I've been referring to over the past messages. But anyway, I'm satisfied with the results I'm getting now. atisfiee - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I think you've just about summed it up there Daniel. I wouldn't use a floor of less than 128kbps for music but here's the info from the manual explaining the differences: Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to using the default vbr settings is. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
The settings are disabled, default, vbr old, then vbr new, and finally vbr-abr. I think maybe with that one, they suggest a floor of 64 kbps. I tried what Kevin suggested, setting vbr to default, and set the floor at 128 kbps, and the ceiling at 320 kbps. It did sound better that way, I think. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate types. First you have Disabled, then you have the default one, I guess that's what you're expected to use normally. Then you have a couple of variations whose names I don't understand. And then, last on the list, is an option written as VBR -ABR! could this be the choice that sets the encoder to use an average bit rate, as a sub-type of variable bit rate? Does anyone know? this program, though the price is right and the operation fairly simple to navigate with a screen reader, is pretty bad in terms of how things are named and how the documentation is written. I mean, it truly makes no sense at time. It doesn't say, for instance, how to set VBR or ABR despite discussing them, and I see it's given one reader the opposite idea of what it meant by cautioning against not using a floor setting. Same for the on the fly explanation. It starts by saying one thing, then reverses itself not out of intention but just because the writing is confused, and no one edited it for clarity. I believe your own explanation of the on the fly deal sounded right. I've noticed that ripping takes much longer when you uncheck it, so I assume this is because those operations I'm hearing tracked by the progress bar involve a first one that writes the track to an image, as you put it, and then it converts that to an .mp3. But honestly, this stuff wouldn't be so hard if the interface and documentation were a little better done. I know, beggars can't be choosers. So step on my pencil cup and smash my blues guitar. But still. Okay, so what about the ABR setting? Is that how you'd make it? and then do you still set a minimum and maximum for it to work with? thanks, guys. coencodr fr - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going to be a final version released? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I use that version of CDEX as I think most people on the list do. There is actually an updated version 1.6 available now but I'm not sure what the new features are. It's true that when you hit enter on a help topic, JAWS will start reading the page. You can't use your PC cursor to read the page back but you can use the JAWS cursor to do so. Alternatively, use control + A to select and control + C to copy and paste into a word document. This does work and here's the CDEX introduction copied in exactly that way. Introduction This document describes CDex, a utility for extracting sound files from CDs in your CD-ROM drive, and for converting WAV files into several other (compressed) formats, like the popular MP3 format. The latest version of CDex can be downloaded from: http://www.cdex.n3.net System Requirements Status of CDex Acknowledgements Change log Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list.
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi there. That's right. Kevin's got some good ideas about how to use this stuff. I appreciate his insights. I guess you have to have a play with this stuff, so you can get it sounding right. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to using the default vbr settings is. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate types. First you have Disabled, then you have the default one, I guess that's what you're expected to use normally. Then you have a couple of variations whose names I don't understand. And then, last on the list, is an option written as VBR -ABR! could this be the choice that sets the encoder to use an average bit rate, as a sub-type of variable bit rate? Does anyone know? this program, though the price is right and the operation fairly simple to navigate with a screen reader, is pretty bad in terms of how things are named and how the documentation is written. I mean, it truly makes no sense at time. It doesn't say, for instance, how to set VBR or ABR despite discussing them, and I see it's given one reader the opposite idea of what it meant by cautioning against not using a floor setting. Same for the on the fly explanation. It starts by saying one thing, then reverses itself not out of intention but just because the writing is confused, and no one edited it for clarity. I believe your own explanation of the on the fly deal sounded right. I've noticed that ripping takes much longer when you uncheck it, so I assume this is because those operations I'm hearing tracked by the progress bar involve a first one that writes the track to an image, as you put it, and then it converts that to an .mp3. But honestly, this stuff wouldn't be so hard if the interface and documentation were a little better done. I know, beggars can't be choosers. So step on my pencil cup and smash my blues guitar. But still. Okay, so what about the ABR setting? Is that how you'd make it? and then do you still set a minimum and maximum for it to work with? thanks, guys. coencodr fr - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi Kevin. Thanks. I won't. Haha. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi Gary. Yes, that rough calculation is based on 128kbps which equates to 1MB per minute of music. So, at 128kbps you're going to get 700 minutes of music ripped at that quality or approximately 11 hours. Now, if you rip at 192kbps your files are going to be 1 and a half times bigger. So, at 192kbps you're going to get 400 minutes of music or approximately 7 hours. These are very approximate estimates so don't sue me. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi Kevin. Thanks for the interesting information. How many hours of playing time can you get with 192 kbps. They say that MP3 files are a tenth the size of wav files. Is that figured at 128 kbps? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I don't know whether the issues with the full version of 1.51 were only screen reader related but they may well be. I don't think there's a company behind this software just a very generous individual. People pay for an interface that isn't as accessible and easy to use as CDEX and yet uses exactly the same encoder so it really is the best freeware around as far as I'm concerned. That's why the documentation for variable bit usage is not that extensive. It's not a CDEX feature, it's a lame feature. These are all settings provided by the lame encoder and the CDEX developer has just given some basic details on what settings can be changed in the lame encoder. I'll take a look at the average bit rate setting which I believe is VBR-ABR as you mentioned. However, I wouldn't use this method of ripping over the variable bit rate as it works subtly differently. With average bit rate, the whole file is analysed and the average calculated so if you have a file that is 2 minutes of 128kbps and 2 minutes of 256kbps, the average is going to be 192kbps. With this setting the whole file will be ripped at 192kbps so you use more space in the 2 minutes of 128kbps that you didn't really need and you lose 128kbps of extra sound information from the 2 minutes at 256kbps that is required for high quality reproduction. With variable bit rate, in the example above, you'd have got 2 minutes at 128kbps and 2 minutes at 256kbps as each frame of the MP3 file is analysed individually to ascertain how many bits per second are required to reproduce high quality sound. In this very simplistic example, both files would have been the same size `192kbps multiplied by 4 minutes and 128kbps multiplied by 2 minutes plus 256kbps multiplied by 2 minutes. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I'm curious. If the full version didn't work, and the company knew it, why didn't they just work on it until it was ready for prime time instead of leaving this Beta thing online for download? Is it possible that it was only with screen reader people that it failed, and is in use otherwise, so that only blind users are still using the beta, instead of the finished product? I - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Hi Kevin. But then, isn't the manual saying that in order to avoid bad choices, we should use the 64 kbps setting with vbr? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I think you've just about summed it up there Daniel. I wouldn't use a floor of less than 128kbps for music but here's the info from the manual explaining the differences: Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to using the default vbr settings is. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Well maybe you could get Nero 5.5 at a reduced price, since Nero has gone to 6, and beyond. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Yes, the manual does say that but it's really trying to stop you using anything less than 64kbps as a floor. Personally, I wouldn't want music to go below 128kbps so that's my floor. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi Kevin. But then, isn't the manual saying that in order to avoid bad choices, we should use the 64 kbps setting with vbr? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I think you've just about summed it up there Daniel. I wouldn't use a floor of less than 128kbps for music but here's the info from the manual explaining the differences: Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The manual states that the floor should be at 64 kbps. It sounds to me like it suggests going to vbr-abr. I'm trying to learn this stuff too. I'm also wondering what advantage there is to
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Yes, I've already done the same thing. I also explored that combo box and decided that the sixth and last VBR setting indicates that ABR is a subcategory of it, the way it's coded. But I settled on using the default setting, as Kevin suggested. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The settings are disabled, default, vbr old, then vbr new, and finally vbr-abr. I think maybe with that one, they suggest a floor of 64 kbps. I tried what Kevin suggested, setting vbr to default, and set the floor at 128 kbps, and the ceiling at 320 kbps. It did sound better that way, I think. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Thanks for explaining this. One more question about settings: I've learned from you how to make variable bit rate settings. Now, if I wish to try the average bit rate approach described in the manual, I wonder if I've discovered the way to set it for that. There isn't any button or anything for doing this, so I poked around in the combo box list of various variable bit rate types. First you have Disabled, then you have the default one, I guess that's what you're expected to use normally. Then you have a couple of variations whose names I don't understand. And then, last on the list, is an option written as VBR -ABR! could this be the choice that sets the encoder to use an average bit rate, as a sub-type of variable bit rate? Does anyone know? this program, though the price is right and the operation fairly simple to navigate with a screen reader, is pretty bad in terms of how things are named and how the documentation is written. I mean, it truly makes no sense at time. It doesn't say, for instance, how to set VBR or ABR despite discussing them, and I see it's given one reader the opposite idea of what it meant by cautioning against not using a floor setting. Same for the on the fly explanation. It starts by saying one thing, then reverses itself not out of intention but just because the writing is confused, and no one edited it for clarity. I believe your own explanation of the on the fly deal sounded right. I've noticed that ripping takes much longer when you uncheck it, so I assume this is because those operations I'm hearing tracked by the progress bar involve a first one that writes the track to an image, as you put it, and then it converts that to an .mp3. But honestly, this stuff wouldn't be so hard if the interface and documentation were a little better done. I know, beggars can't be choosers. So step on my pencil cup and smash my blues guitar. But still. Okay, so what about the ABR setting? Is that how you'd make it? and then do you still set a minimum and maximum for it to work with? thanks, guys. coencodr fr - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi. There was a full version of CDEX released after this beta but unfortunately version 1.51 didn't work on many peoples machines and so the beta lived on. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Ah, so the Control A select all works, even though control homeand then select to end didn't? Interesting. In other such situations, often control A won't work, but if you go to the top or bottom of an area and select home or select end, that will copy all. ah, I know what it is I'm thinking of. The General or Details tabs of the properties display for an Outlook Express message. Okay. I'll look again... One more thing about the version of CdEx. How come it's a Beta version? Isn't there going to be a final version released? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I use that version of CDEX as I think most people on the list do. There is actually an updated version 1.6 available now but I'm not sure what the new features are. It's true that when you hit enter on a help topic, JAWS will start reading the page. You can't use your PC cursor to read the page back but you can use the JAWS cursor to do so. Alternatively, use control + A to select and control + C to copy and paste into a word document. This does work and
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL
Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats
Not meaning to speak for Kevin, but this is one of the isntances I was describing where the manual's just badly written and isn't in fact saying anything, so far as I can see. I'll take Kevin's word for most of this, because he's being about five times as articulate as the manual.Go, Kevin! Except what about Neil Young playing electric guitar with a rhythm guitar, bass, drums and backup singers? Does Down by the River require more bits to render than hheart of Gold, for instance? Just teasing. .n whichisn - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Hi Kevin. But then, isn't the manual saying that in order to avoid bad choices, we should use the 64 kbps setting with vbr? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats I think you've just about summed it up there Daniel. I wouldn't use a floor of less than 128kbps for music but here's the info from the manual explaining the differences: Bitrate Options: There are three types of bitrate options that you can specify for each the encoder (although some encoders may not allow any options). 1) Constant Bitrate (CBR) This is the default encoding mode, and also the most basic. In this mode, the bitrate will be the same throughout the whole file. So, a second of audio from one part of the file takes just as much disk space as a second from any other part of that file -- regardless of whether either part is silence, acoustically simple, or quite complex. This means that you are likely to hear distortion more in the complex parts than in the simple parts. The advantage of CBR formats is that even older players understand them, and that you can reliably predict the file size from the duration of the sound (or vice versa). 2) Average Bitrate (ABR) In this mode, you tell the encoder to aim for an average bitrate that you specify, skimping on the simpler parts of the music, and using higher bitrates for the parts of your music that are more complex. The result will be of higher quality than you'd get in a CBR encoded file of the same size. This mode is highly recommended over CBR. This encoding mode is similar to VBR. 3) Variable bitrate (VBR) In this mode, you say what level of quality you want in the output file, and the encoder compresses each second as best it can to get just that level of quality -- using less information to represent simpler parts of the song, and more information to represent the more complex parts. However, this mode relies heavily on the encoder's model of how you perceive quality, and could lead to a few bad choices in the encoding process. If possible, you may want to specify a minimum bitrate (e.g., 64 Kbps) to avoid those potential errors. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats Just one thing, an example of the confusing nature of the manual. I reread that section a couple of times, and it doesn't seem to be actually recommending setting a floor of 64. There's some unspoken implication that some user may neglect to set any floor (minimum rate) at all. It's not explain why so low a rate as 64 would be useful or, more to what seems to bee their point, necessary for heading off some sort of problem. And, again, it seems to be recommend average bit rate, but if you read that over a couple of time, at least this is my impression, they're implying that variable bit rate, intelligently used, is the highest-quality approach. But all they say is that variable bit rate is best, then imply without explaining that it's perhaps too sophisticated for some users and that it's easy to make a fatal mistake with it. I forget the exact wording, but it's simply not that coherent. My impression at this point is that Kevin's explanations have been a lot more complete and a lot more coherent, and that's allowed me to figure out things that it seems the manual thinks it's saying but actually isn't. In other words, I think it's saying Average bit rate is a more refined method than the stable bit rate, just so you remember not to set it so as to allow the bit rate to drop too low for any fidelity at all. But if you're careful, we'd actually tell you to use variable bit rate. lone m - Original Message - From: Gary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Understanding and comparing compression formats The
Re: Replay Radio Driver Question
In the volume control for most sound cards you can get to which driver to mark as the default. Not sure how this differs from sound card to sound card but I am pretty sure you can set the native soundcard drivers as the default and the replay radio drivers will not start with windows. I used the replay-radio enhanced sound card driver so I can avoid recording system sounds and my speech. I set the computer's sound controls to default to the driver that came with the soundcard on the computer. Again, I think I reached this and made my selections using the volume control, under properties. RD ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function,
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: joining several mp3s in to 1 file??
Can this be done with cdex if the files are on the hard drive instead of a cd? Just curious. - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: joining several mp3s in to 1 file?? Hi Juan. If you have the CD and those tracks are contiguous then you can use CDEX to rip them into a single track. Simply select the tracks you want to be joined and then use function key F11 to start the rip rather than the usual F8 or F9. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Juan Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: joining several mp3s in to 1 file?? Hello everyone: just wondering if does anyone know of a good program to use so that I can put 10 mp3s in to 1 file? another words, I got a cd with 10 different songs and what I want is instead of having them separate I want to put them together. would appreciate very much some info. thanks Juan Sosa Skype owner/moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mexican2004 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Thanks, Bruce. I'll be checking this out. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replay Radio Driver Question
Hi Ron. As you indicated, once you set your sound card as the default, Replay Radio's driver should not be able to reassume default status with every startup. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case here. My other thought was that perhaps Replay included a feature which looks for its own driver as default at startup and reestablishes itself. when necessary. That is an option that I've seen in other software such as Winamp and Real Player, but thus far, if Replay Radio has such a feature which could be checked or unchecked, I haven't been able to find it. Larry - Original Message - From: Ron or Susan Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Replay Radio Driver Question In the volume control for most sound cards you can get to which driver to mark as the default. Not sure how this differs from sound card to sound card but I am pretty sure you can set the native soundcard drivers as the default and the replay radio drivers will not start with windows. I used the replay-radio enhanced sound card driver so I can avoid recording system sounds and my speech. I set the computer's sound controls to default to the driver that came with the soundcard on the computer. Again, I think I reached this and made my selections using the volume control, under properties. RD ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think
hi. actually, Nero is *very* accessible. You just have to know what to do with it. In nero 6, you are first presented with a tab control and at least in my version you end up in the multisession tab. If you move one tab over to the left, you can choose what kind of cd to burn, audio, CD Rom, ISO, etc. Once you find the type of cd you want, press the new button and another window opens. You can then copy and paste files directly from windows explorer into the compilation window. and if you look on the file menu at the compilation properties, you can tell how full your cd is before burning. To burn, just go to the recorder menu and press enter on burn compilation. another screen will come up, you can just press the burn button and nero will start doing its thing. If you're burning an audio cd and you want to get rid of the 2 second gap between the tracks, you can press your application key while in the list of files you're burning and go to properties. in thatscreen, find the spot where it says , pause edit, replace the 2 in that edit box with a 0. press ok and burn your cd as described above and you should be fine. So Nero is very usable. At 03:15 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Thanks, Bruce. I'll be checking this out. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think
I never said that NEro wasn't accessible. I just found it clumsy as compared to Cdrwin and couldn't be bothered to learn the program. The couple of times I tried, I got nowhere and decided it wasn't worth the trouble. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Chris Skarstad wrote: hi. actually, Nero is *very* accessible. You just have to know what to do with it. In nero 6, you are first presented with a tab control and at least in my version you end up in the multisession tab. If you move one tab over to the left, you can choose what kind of cd to burn, audio, CD Rom, ISO, etc. Once you find the type of cd you want, press the new button and another window opens. You can then copy and paste files directly from windows explorer into the compilation window. and if you look on the file menu at the compilation properties, you can tell how full your cd is before burning. To burn, just go to the recorder menu and press enter on burn compilation. another screen will come up, you can just press the burn button and nero will start doing its thing. If you're burning an audio cd and you want to get rid of the 2 second gap between the tracks, you can press your application key while in the list of files you're burning and go to properties. in thatscreen, find the spot where it says , pause edit, replace the 2 in that edit box with a 0. press ok and burn your cd as described above and you should be fine. So Nero is very usable. At 03:15 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Thanks, Bruce. I'll be checking this out. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
only problem is: i get drop outs and stopages when playing the compiled mp3's in my victor reader classic and iriver mp3 disk player. i only use nero 5.5 for making the mp3-s any suggested solutions will be greatly appreciated. regards: harry - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replay Radio Driver Question
Larry, now that I think about it, there is a setting that starts replay-radio when windows starts and I believe minimizes it to the systray. This can be changed in the settings section which is found in the main menu near the end of choices. When the program starts, shift tab about three or four times and you should get to settings. Hit the spacebar, when you do. I believe the choice of starting replay-radio when windows starts is in the general tab of that menu I think. I never thought of this as I keep boxes like this unchecked as a rule and did it so long ago I'd forgotten about the option. Ron Denis ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replay Radio Driver Question
Looks like that solved my problem. Thanks much Ron. Larry - Original Message - From: Ron or Susan Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Replay Radio Driver Question Larry, now that I think about it, there is a setting that starts replay-radio when windows starts and I believe minimizes it to the systray. This can be changed in the settings section which is found in the main menu near the end of choices. When the program starts, shift tab about three or four times and you should get to settings. Hit the spacebar, when you do. I believe the choice of starting replay-radio when windows starts is in the general tab of that menu I think. I never thought of this as I keep boxes like this unchecked as a rule and did it so long ago I'd forgotten about the option. Ron Denis ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: joining several mp3s in to 1 file??
Hi, where can I find mp3 merge? thanks Rob - Original Message - From: nick danger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: joining several mp3s in to 1 file?? Hi Juan, Grab a copy of mp3 merge is free and accessible as heck. Tonhy - Original Message - From: Juan Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc audio pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: joining several mp3s in to 1 file?? Hello everyone: just wondering if does anyone know of a good program to use so that I can put 10 mp3s in to 1 file? another words, I got a cd with 10 different songs and what I want is instead of having them separate I want to put them together. would appreciate very much some info. thanks Juan Sosa Skype owner/moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mexican2004 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think
Hi Chris, I'm saving these tips and directions for possible future reference. Thanks very much. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think hi. actually, Nero is *very* accessible. You just have to know what to do with it. In nero 6, you are first presented with a tab control and at least in my version you end up in the multisession tab. If you move one tab over to the left, you can choose what kind of cd to burn, audio, CD Rom, ISO, etc. Once you find the type of cd you want, press the new button and another window opens. You can then copy and paste files directly from windows explorer into the compilation window. and if you look on the file menu at the compilation properties, you can tell how full your cd is before burning. To burn, just go to the recorder menu and press enter on burn compilation. another screen will come up, you can just press the burn button and nero will start doing its thing. If you're burning an audio cd and you want to get rid of the 2 second gap between the tracks, you can press your application key while in the list of files you're burning and go to properties. in thatscreen, find the spot where it says , pause edit, replace the 2 in that edit box with a 0. press ok and burn your cd as described above and you should be fine. So Nero is very usable. At 03:15 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Thanks, Bruce. I'll be checking this out. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sony recorder with Dragon Naturally Speaking
Hello, has anyone bought this recorder from either Ann Morris or Independent Living Aids? How do you like it? Is the sound quality 44100 and 16 bits, and how come it comes with Dragon? They don't give a model number on this, so I don't have a way of finding reviews of this product, and you can't return it because it contains software. I'm thinking that if you can download the files from the unit onto the computer, that if it sounds as good as cd quality with their microphone, then this might be faster than listening in realtime to minidiscs. Does it have a microphone input to hook my own one in, or a line in? I'd appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks a lot. Matthew Tired of HotMail? Try Runbox. 1 gig of storage for a reasonable price. Use this link as your referral. http://1362.runbox.com ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Remember, when you price other solutions, that you should keep the total cost in mind. Nero can do incremental backups as well as various kinds of cds, for example. Other packages might do the same.. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get any files into the list. These are deal-breaker problems. Anyway, I'm trying. Help will be appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a
Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player
Point taken. Thanks. I'm considering carefully what uses I plan to put the program to. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Remember, when you price other solutions, that you should keep the total cost in mind. Nero can do incremental backups as well as various kinds of cds, for example. Other packages might do the same.. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Well, in all modesty, I've been hoping to avoid the (for me) high cost of that program. My usage of any such product is going to be pretty moderate, not as if I'll be cranking out CDs every day as a hobby or something. And although I do want a good way to make backups, it doesn't seem as if that ought to cost me a hundred bucks, either. Or maybe the accessibility and usability of Nero is so superior to the others that there's no contest? - Original Message - From: Kevin Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Hi Daniel. I would recommend nero burning ROM for all of your music and back up tasks. I've used nero for over 5 years and found nothing as accessible and easy to use. There are many others on the list using nero too so you won't be stuck for help and advice. Regards. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC-Audio Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player Recently, I was successful in teaching myself to rip music from CDs using Windows Media Player, which I'm glad to have done even though I intend to primarily use CDex for this purpose. Always good to know more than one way to do something. But I'm not having such success learning the burn procedure with WMP, which I'd hoped to do in order to avoid having to pay for a commercial application, considering how seldom I'm bound to use it. I'm also hoping to be able to use WMP for making backup CDs of data files periodically, and I'm afraid, from my explorations, that this will be as confusing with WMP as the music burning function seems) here's my main question on the music burning procedure: I understand from the help files instructions that you're supposed to designate the files to be burned by choosing them from the Library and/or playlists. Now, I don't know anything about the, nor do I use playlists to orchestrate my occasional PC audio experiences; I just find the track I want to hear in Windows Explorer, press Enter on it, and WMP plays it. I don't set up whole sequences of tracks to play. So I'm completely out of it about this Library and playlist stuff. I kept tabbing around and hitting Enter now and then, and finally found a list of all my audio files. But they're just a long list, not divided into the various albums they're in, as they're arranged on my hard drive under My Music. Is this the Library? All I want to do is burn a CD using all the tracks from that same CD as I've ripped it. I don't want to create mixes or any of that. If I still could see better, maybe I'd get into it, the way I once made mix tapes now and then on cassette. But I don't really care. I just want to find the tracks from one CD, load them into whatever list you're supposed to load them into, hit a Burn button, and made a new CD. I'm sorry to be so verbose, but not feeling well today and it's hard to concentrate. If anyone reading this realizes that I'm just not one of the talented blind computer people who can make sense of this function in WMP, and I ought to buy one of the commercial programs that work more simply, I'll consider the advice seriously. I just wanted to give this a try, since I was able to figure out the rip function, although I hate all that tabbing around to so many controls I have no idea the function of in this context. Thanks. P.S. As I say, I'm willing to bite the bullet and buy a program, but I was hoping not to have to spend as much as $100 for the new Nero release, and it seems the blind-popular Roxio Easy CD Creator has been superseded by Easy Media Creator 7, and I've tried the relatively simply and accessible Premier CD Creator program but had terrible problems with it, problems I believe I described here recently, and the Premier engineers won't get back to me about these issues (a ghostly Black Sabbath CD permanently loaded into the Audio Brabber function, and the program hanging when I press Burn in the burn program while accidentally not managing to get
Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think
hi. One thing I forgot to mention. In my previous tip about getting rid of the 2 second gap between tracks, I failed to mention that to do this, you must press control plus a to select all your tracks first. at least that's how I did it in my version. Other versions may differ. At 08:09 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Hi Chris, I'm saving these tips and directions for possible future reference. Thanks very much. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Nero, it's not as bad as you think hi. actually, Nero is *very* accessible. You just have to know what to do with it. In nero 6, you are first presented with a tab control and at least in my version you end up in the multisession tab. If you move one tab over to the left, you can choose what kind of cd to burn, audio, CD Rom, ISO, etc. Once you find the type of cd you want, press the new button and another window opens. You can then copy and paste files directly from windows explorer into the compilation window. and if you look on the file menu at the compilation properties, you can tell how full your cd is before burning. To burn, just go to the recorder menu and press enter on burn compilation. another screen will come up, you can just press the burn button and nero will start doing its thing. If you're burning an audio cd and you want to get rid of the 2 second gap between the tracks, you can press your application key while in the list of files you're burning and go to properties. in thatscreen, find the spot where it says , pause edit, replace the 2 in that edit box with a 0. press ok and burn your cd as described above and you should be fine. So Nero is very usable. At 03:15 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Thanks, Bruce. I'll be checking this out. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player The URL is www.goldenhawk.com. I learned the program on my own, but I believe Main Menu did a review of the program once upon a time. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yardbird wrote: Hi Bruce, where do you find this product? Do you have the URL of some place that offers it? Also, do you happen to know of any reviews of it online, especially by blind access people? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning CDs with Windows Media Player I recommend CDRWIN. It's cheaper than Nero, and I have never been able to get anywhere with Nero while I have found CDRWIN to be very accessible. Bruce ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
