Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Dane Trethowan]

That's just too bad! .

On 13/09/2016 3:55 AM, John Gurd wrote:

Oh I just realised, I'm a bit ahead of myself. IOS 10 is released tomorrow,
Tuesday, not today. Looks like I'll have to kerb my excitement for another
24 hours (smiles).

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 18:11
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Hi John,
Apple Music is definitely better in iOS 10. When you try it, I would be
curious how you compare it with Spotify, since that is a service I was
considering until I put the beta on my iPhone and started saying how much
better Apple Music suggestions were for me. They have playlists the change
every day and suggested albums that  change every day.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you
equate new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either,
but I am interested in experimental, alternative and World music that
will never get into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and

classical.

In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying
out Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the
guy in charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound
way in advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you
are likely to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you
might not have heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very
pedestrian and predictable and they just keep offering more of the
same. An interesting thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on
listeners who tend to be consistently ahead of the curve in the music
you may be interested in and use their delvings to inform the
algorithms that help you discover new music. So the clever thing is
that it's not just what the big music corporations have decided what

should be in the charts.

Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify
in the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before
trying out Spotify.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Mary Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the
newly reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day,
some albums that it think she will like, based on what it knows about
your listening habits. You also get to view new releases and genres
that it thinks you like, based on what it knows about your listening
habits. I assume Spotify must do something similar in their discovery tab.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtd...@internode.on.net>

wrote:

Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big
players in

the Music Subscription business before long.

One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer
this,

why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most
new music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio
and haven't been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr
people Im sure - .
http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenge
s-spot
ify-with-playlists.html

Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes you're correct, I made a mistake and just assumed .



On 13/09/2016 3:06 AM, John Gurd wrote:

Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you equate
new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, but I am
interested in experimental, alternative and World music that will never get
into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and classical.

In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying out
Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the guy in
charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound way in
advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you are likely
to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you might not have
heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very pedestrian and
predictable and they just keep offering more of the same. An interesting
thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on listeners who tend to be
consistently ahead of the curve in the music you may be interested in and
use their delvings to inform the algorithms that help you discover new
music. So the clever thing is that it's not just what the big music
corporations have decided what should be in the charts.

Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify in
the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before trying out
Spotify.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the newly
reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, some albums
that it think she will like, based on what it knows about your listening
habits. You also get to view new releases and genres that it thinks you
like, based on what it knows about your listening habits. I assume Spotify
must do something similar in their discovery tab.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>

wrote:

Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players in

the Music Subscription business before long.

One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this,

why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most new
music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and haven't
been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr people Im sure -
.
http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spot
ify-with-playlists.html

Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
But apple Music has a lot of oldies too.
There are still some albums i miss on apple music.
Don’t know if they’re on spotify though.
/A
> On 12 Sep 2016, at 03:31, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the newly 
> reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, some albums that 
> it think she will like, based on what it knows about your listening habits. 
> You also get to view new releases and genres that it thinks you like, based 
> on what it knows about your listening habits. I assume Spotify must do 
> something similar in their discovery tab.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players in 
>> the Music Subscription business before long.
>> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this, why 
>> do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most new music 
>> I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and haven't been 
>> for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr people Im sure - 
>> .
>> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spotify-with-playlists.html
>>  
>> 
> 
> 

RE: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[John Gurd]

Oh I just realised, I'm a bit ahead of myself. IOS 10 is released tomorrow,
Tuesday, not today. Looks like I'll have to kerb my excitement for another
24 hours (smiles).

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 18:11
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Hi John,
Apple Music is definitely better in iOS 10. When you try it, I would be
curious how you compare it with Spotify, since that is a service I was
considering until I put the beta on my iPhone and started saying how much
better Apple Music suggestions were for me. They have playlists the change
every day and suggested albums that  change every day.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you 
> equate new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, 
> but I am interested in experimental, alternative and World music that 
> will never get into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and
classical.
> 
> In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying 
> out Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the 
> guy in charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound 
> way in advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you 
> are likely to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you 
> might not have heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very 
> pedestrian and predictable and they just keep offering more of the 
> same. An interesting thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on 
> listeners who tend to be consistently ahead of the curve in the music 
> you may be interested in and use their delvings to inform the 
> algorithms that help you discover new music. So the clever thing is 
> that it's not just what the big music corporations have decided what
should be in the charts.
> 
> Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify 
> in the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before 
> trying out Spotify.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists
> 
> Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the 
> newly reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, 
> some albums that it think she will like, based on what it knows about 
> your listening habits. You also get to view new releases and genres 
> that it thinks you like, based on what it knows about your listening 
> habits. I assume Spotify must do something similar in their discovery tab.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big 
>> players in
> the Music Subscription business before long.
>> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer 
>> this,
> why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most 
> new music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio 
> and haven't been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr 
> people Im sure - .
>> 
> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenge
> s-spot
> ify-with-playlists.html
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,
I am running the beta. Yes, there are bugs. Maybe not as many as there have 
been in previous first releases.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:46 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mary, that's encouraging. I think I'll go see if the official IOS 10
> is available. The IOS release  usually appears here in the UK around 6pm.
> Mind you, there are bound to be at least a few Voice Over bugs and it can be
> frustrating when they take months to fix.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 12 September 2016 18:11
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists
> 
> Hi John,
> Apple Music is definitely better in iOS 10. When you try it, I would be
> curious how you compare it with Spotify, since that is a service I was
> considering until I put the beta on my iPhone and started saying how much
> better Apple Music suggestions were for me. They have playlists the change
> every day and suggested albums that  change every day.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you 
>> equate new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, 
>> but I am interested in experimental, alternative and World music that 
>> will never get into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and
> classical.
>> 
>> In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying 
>> out Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the 
>> guy in charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound 
>> way in advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you 
>> are likely to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you 
>> might not have heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very 
>> pedestrian and predictable and they just keep offering more of the 
>> same. An interesting thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on 
>> listeners who tend to be consistently ahead of the curve in the music 
>> you may be interested in and use their delvings to inform the 
>> algorithms that help you discover new music. So the clever thing is 
>> that it's not just what the big music corporations have decided what
> should be in the charts.
>> 
>> Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify 
>> in the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before 
>> trying out Spotify.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists
>> 
>> Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the 
>> newly reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, 
>> some albums that it think she will like, based on what it knows about 
>> your listening habits. You also get to view new releases and genres 
>> that it thinks you like, based on what it knows about your listening 
>> habits. I assume Spotify must do something similar in their discovery tab.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big 
>>> players in
>> the Music Subscription business before long.
>>> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer 
>>> this,
>> why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most 
>> new music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio 
>> and haven't been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr 
>> people Im sure - .
>>> 
>> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenge
>> s-spot
>> ify-with-playlists.html
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

RE: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[John Gurd]

Thanks Mary, that's encouraging. I think I'll go see if the official IOS 10
is available. The IOS release  usually appears here in the UK around 6pm.
Mind you, there are bound to be at least a few Voice Over bugs and it can be
frustrating when they take months to fix.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 18:11
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Hi John,
Apple Music is definitely better in iOS 10. When you try it, I would be
curious how you compare it with Spotify, since that is a service I was
considering until I put the beta on my iPhone and started saying how much
better Apple Music suggestions were for me. They have playlists the change
every day and suggested albums that  change every day.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you 
> equate new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, 
> but I am interested in experimental, alternative and World music that 
> will never get into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and
classical.
> 
> In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying 
> out Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the 
> guy in charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound 
> way in advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you 
> are likely to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you 
> might not have heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very 
> pedestrian and predictable and they just keep offering more of the 
> same. An interesting thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on 
> listeners who tend to be consistently ahead of the curve in the music 
> you may be interested in and use their delvings to inform the 
> algorithms that help you discover new music. So the clever thing is 
> that it's not just what the big music corporations have decided what
should be in the charts.
> 
> Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify 
> in the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before 
> trying out Spotify.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists
> 
> Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the 
> newly reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, 
> some albums that it think she will like, based on what it knows about 
> your listening habits. You also get to view new releases and genres 
> that it thinks you like, based on what it knows about your listening 
> habits. I assume Spotify must do something similar in their discovery tab.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big 
>> players in
> the Music Subscription business before long.
>> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer 
>> this,
> why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most 
> new music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio 
> and haven't been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr 
> people Im sure - .
>> 
> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenge
> s-spot
> ify-with-playlists.html
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,
Apple Music is definitely better in iOS 10. When you try it, I would be curious 
how you compare it with Spotify, since that is a service I was considering 
until I put the beta on my iPhone and started saying how much better Apple 
Music suggestions were for me. They have playlists the change every day and 
suggested albums that  change every day.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you equate
> new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, but I am
> interested in experimental, alternative and World music that will never get
> into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and classical. 
> 
> In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying out
> Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the guy in
> charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound way in
> advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you are likely
> to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you might not have
> heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very pedestrian and
> predictable and they just keep offering more of the same. An interesting
> thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on listeners who tend to be
> consistently ahead of the curve in the music you may be interested in and
> use their delvings to inform the algorithms that help you discover new
> music. So the clever thing is that it's not just what the big music
> corporations have decided what should be in the charts.
> 
> Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify in
> the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before trying out
> Spotify. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists
> 
> Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the newly
> reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, some albums
> that it think she will like, based on what it knows about your listening
> habits. You also get to view new releases and genres that it thinks you
> like, based on what it knows about your listening habits. I assume Spotify
> must do something similar in their discovery tab.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players in
> the Music Subscription business before long.
>> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this,
> why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most new
> music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and haven't
> been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr people Im sure -
> .
>> 
> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spot
> ify-with-playlists.html 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[John Gurd]

Ah well, Dane, you're making the mistake a lot of people do when you equate
new music with Top 40. Personally, I can't stand Top 40 either, but I am
interested in experimental, alternative and World music that will never get
into the charts, and even very occasionally, jazz and classical. 

In fact I've been considering switching from Apple Music and trying out
Spotify for this reason. I heard a fascinating interview with the guy in
charge of writing music algorithms for Spotify, and they sound way in
advance of Apple's. They are much better at serving up what you are likely
to like as well as old favourites and obscure stuff you might not have
heard. Up to now I've found Apple's offerings very pedestrian and
predictable and they just keep offering more of the same. An interesting
thing about Spotify is that they keep an eye on listeners who tend to be
consistently ahead of the curve in the music you may be interested in and
use their delvings to inform the algorithms that help you discover new
music. So the clever thing is that it's not just what the big music
corporations have decided what should be in the charts.

Anyway, having heard that Apple seems to be becoming more like Spotify in
the way the app works I'll hold off and try it in IOS 10 before trying out
Spotify. 

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the newly
reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, some albums
that it think she will like, based on what it knows about your listening
habits. You also get to view new releases and genres that it thinks you
like, based on what it knows about your listening habits. I assume Spotify
must do something similar in their discovery tab.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
wrote:
> 
> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players in
the Music Subscription business before long.
> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this,
why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most new
music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and haven't
been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr people Im sure -
.
>
http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spot
ify-with-playlists.html 
> 

Re: Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Mary Otten]

Well, I can't speak for Spotify, but one of the nice things about the newly 
reorganized Apple Music in iOS 10 is that you get every day, some albums that 
it think she will like, based on what it knows about your listening habits. You 
also get to view new releases and genres that it thinks you like, based on what 
it knows about your listening habits. I assume Spotify must do something 
similar in their discovery tab.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players in 
> the Music Subscription business before long.
> One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this, why 
> do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most new music 
> I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and haven't been 
> for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr people Im sure - 
> .
> http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spotify-with-playlists.html
>  
> 

Apple Music Challenges Spotify with Playlists

[Dane Trethowan]

Seems as though Apple Music and Spotify are going to be the big players 
in the Music Subscription business before long.
One thing I'm puzzled about though and perhaps someone can answer this, 
why do Apple Music and Spotify always concentrate on "New Music", most 
new music I absolutely despise - I'm not a listener to Top 40 radio and 
haven't been for 20 years or more along with a whole heap of otehr 
people Im sure - .
http://www.radiotoday.com.au/news/whats-new/9640-apple-music-challenges-spotify-with-playlists.html