[PD-dev] arbitrary atom types (was Re: sms pd external - design choices)

2008-07-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How do you get [print] to print a peachy string? in the way we (including miller) kind of agreed at LAC2008 the answer is simple: you don't. Perhaps you don't, but I do print

Re: [PD-dev] sms pd external - design choices

2008-07-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Perhaps you don't, but I do print my A_LIST atoms right fucking now using an object called [print], in Miller's Pd, instead of agreeing with things that can either crash pd or make it do something undefined that has

Re: [PD-dev] dump OSC bugs?

2008-08-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Forwinder wrote: Hi all, I noticed some very strange behaviour while using dumpOSC last night. I the OSCx-library (that includes the [dumpOSC] object) is known to be broken and unmaintained. it is only there for legacy reasons. please do not use it. if you want to use OSC, use mrpeache's

Re: [PD-dev] removing binary mime-type from .pd files in SVN

2008-09-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey all, A number of people set the CVS binary flag on .pd files to prevent merges. Since AFAIK, this isn't necessary with SVN and this prevents using svn diff, I was wondering if anyone would object if I removed the binary mime-type from all .pd files

Re: [PD-dev] Problem building pdlua on MinGW (solved for now)

2008-09-03 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
PSPunch wrote: Hi Frank, #ifdef MSW #ifdef PD_INTERNAL #define EXTERN __declspec(dllexport) extern #else #define EXTERN __declspec(dllimport) extern #endif /* PD_INTERNAL */ Without PD_INTERNAL defined, dllexport - dllimport which looks kind of critical.

Re: [PD-dev] Problem building pdlua on MinGW (solved for now)

2008-09-03 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
PSPunch wrote: Hi IOhannes, I think lua_setup() needs to be 'exported' in order to be read externally with Windows DLLs. correct Also, from your description I thought that PD_INTERNAL was reserved for internal functions or classes, etc. However, when grepping the source of vanilla

Re: [PD-dev] svn:externals sucks, or tracking changes in Gem

2008-09-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Sorry, I am very slammed right now, so I didn't have time to look at this build issue. I moved everything to point to the Gem SVN now, so it should work fine. thanks Instead of svn:externals, another option is to import gem releases into the pure-data

Re: [PD-dev] svn:externals sucks, or tracking changes in Gem

2008-09-10 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: developers together. But it is not working so well now, perhaps because it isn't clearly defined, or because we have different needs now. do you think so? and why? - For Pd-extended, there needs to be a repository to do code freezes and bug fixes, branches

Re: [PD-dev] libpng3 still used anywhere?

2008-09-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: libpng3 is showing up on the 'deborphan' list, meaning no other packages are using that package. Does Pd/Gem/whatever still need it? i can only speak for Gem, which doesn't need it (strictly speaking, Gem _needs_ very few libraries; noteably openGL, GLU come

[PD-dev] distributing libraries (was Re: svn:externals sucks, or tracking changes in Gem)

2008-09-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi it's early in the morning and while writing the below lines, i notice that i am grumpy as ever. you can probably just skip the rest of the email :-) Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: developers together

Re: [PD-dev] ALSA ctrl object?

2008-09-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
PSPunch wrote: Hi all, I am in need for an object to emulate the following command. $ amixer -c 1 cset numid=2 0 Perhaps an object such as... [alsa_ctl 1 2] Where the right inlet modifies numID and left for the value. This is planned to be executed several times per second

[PD-dev] how to access literal $args in constructor?

2008-09-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi we are having a hard time with the following problem: we want to create an object that has a variable number of iolets, based on the $args available. e.g. [myobj $1] should create an object with a single inlet [myobj $3] should create an object with 3 inlets. the number of iolets depends on

Re: [PD-dev] how to access literal $args in constructor?

2008-09-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Thomas Grill wrote: While i haven't really thought about how, i'm puzzling about why you want to do that. I can't really think of an application for that. that's because you are not porting ftm to Pd :-) fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-dev mailing

[PD-dev] removing inactive devs from sf-project (again...)

2008-10-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi all one year has passed since my last cleanup of the list of developers in our sourceforge project. since we still/again have a long list of devs and some of them being inactive, i would like to re-start the cleaning up process. of 43 registered developers, a total of 33 devs have

Re: [PD-dev] removing inactive devs from sf-project (again...)

2008-10-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey, Sounds good to me. They can always be easily readded by sending a request to pd-dev. yes of course. the only weird thing is, that there are 2 admins (günther and tim) among the list of devs to be removed. well, they can opt-out i guess :-) f gadrm

Re: [PD-dev] [PD] Building Externals

2008-10-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's the vague idea of the current makefiles there. But since many people didn't want to change the existing makefiles within each library folder, almost everything is stuck into externals/Makefile. I think if someone came up with a better system, then

Re: [PD-dev] [PD] Building Externals

2008-10-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi moved this to pd-dev, as i think this is more appropriate Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's the vague idea of the current makefiles there. But since many people didn't want to change the existing makefiles within each library folder, almost everything is stuck into

Re: [PD-dev] [PD] Building Externals

2008-10-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Alex wrote: I just joined the pd-dev list so i can keep up with this discussion. I added a link to the GNU makefile conventions information to that wiki page. The info on the wiki seems pretty good though I don't quite understand the Makefile.extended... it is my understanding that these

Re: [PD-dev] Compiling a pd dll with several externals

2008-11-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Isidro Gonzalez wrote: Can anybody point me some makefile sample for this case (just one dll with multiple objects)? And/or if there is some error in the c code as well... Any help will be most appreciated. your problem is not with makefiles but in the C-code. Pd expects (as i think is

Re: [PD-dev] osc automatic routing

2008-12-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Forwind info wrote: Hi all, Does anybody know if there is a way to automatically send an OSC message to an internal PD messaging address which happens to be the same as the route of the OSC message. So for instance, an osc message arrives with route /a/sample/route and value 50, I would

Re: [PD-dev] representing parent patch levels as args

2008-12-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So I am just adding support to canvas_name and window_name for getting the names from other canvases besides the current one, i.e. parent, toplevel, etc. OK. I am

Re: [PD-dev] Pd 0.42-0 test 6 available

2008-12-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Miller Puckette wrote: I'm thinking the sys_pdexe is teh only way. I try to avoid adding junk to the Pd API but in this case I think it will be necessary. speaking of adding things to the Pd API... is it totally out of your ways to - add a function that returns the version of Pd? something

Re: [PD-dev] libmpeg3 on fedora

2008-12-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: There are lots of users of Fedora and lots of packages, so I am sure there is a way. Any Fedora users want to help out here? so after all my rants i finally found out that fedora did exactly as it should: while moving the headers around, they also provide a

Re: [PD-dev] Pd 0.42-0 test 6 available

2008-12-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:39 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Miller Puckette wrote: I'm thinking the sys_pdexe is teh only way. I try to avoid adding junk to the Pd API but in this case I think it will be necessary. speaking of adding things to the Pd API

Re: [PD-dev] Pd 0.42-0 test 6 available

2008-12-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Martin Peach wrote: personally i don't care so much for the details. i proposed the string as it outputs the full version number (with all test and whatnot). Why not add 4 global variables because global variables suck fgmadsr IOhannes ___

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-2419952 ] Add 'get' method to toggle

2008-12-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, I think there should be more querying capabilities in Pd in general. It allows for more dynamic behavior without resorting to strange hacks. you mean, strange hacks like storing a value in a variable? anyhow, i agree that [tgl] is special (in a not

Re: [PD-dev] libmpeg3 on fedora

2008-12-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:21 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: i have (hopefully) fixed it now -- let's wait for tomorrows logs. argh! while my changes no make Gem find the correct headers, it's only to discover that they changed the API

Re: [PD-dev] libmpeg3 on fedora

2008-12-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: i have (hopefully) fixed it now -- let's wait for tomorrows logs. argh! while my changes no make Gem find the correct headers, it's only to discover that they changed the API :-( so now we are getting close: g++ -o Gem.pd_linux

Re: [PD-dev] a52dec-devel installed on Fedora build server

2008-12-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: FYI: I installed a52dec-devel on the Fedora build server cool thanks. could you do the same for the planetCCRMA machine? fgm,asdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-dev mailing

Re: [PD-dev] pd-devel revival

2008-12-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Miller Puckette wrote: Second, and this just occurred to me, I think it would be smart to separate the u_main.tk cide into several smaller files. They could simply be concatenated by the makefile. This way people could work on different parts of it with much less chance of their work

Re: [PD-dev] pd-devel revival

2008-12-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:55 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: i always found it somewhat awkward that we have to use make to generate a script from a script. Tcl has a mechanism for this built-in, as do most scripting langauges. In Tcl, these are called

Re: [PD-dev] pd-devel status report

2009-01-07 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen Juul wrote: That aside. Just making sure: This devel branch is branching of vanilla 0.41-4 and the only focus is the gui (as opposed to also merging devel-0.39 features)? since 0.42 is just out, shouldn't all work be based on that? fgmard IOhannes

Re: [PD-dev] Tcl/Tk code formatting and file organization

2009-01-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: The pd_ is not understood in Tcl. If you have a package/namespace called menus, that is very vague and has a very high potential for causing name conflicts. pd_menus is much clearer in meaning and

Re: [PD-dev] Tcl/Tk code formatting and file organization

2009-01-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: two remarks: - as i understand it, u_main.tk is deprecated and replaced by pd.tk. can we then delete u_main.tk? - for the sake of clarity: wouldn't it be nicer to have a separate directory for all the tcl/tk files? and a question: - is there any

Re: [PD-dev] [tcpsocketserver] - a protocol-aware wrapper around [tcpserver]

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This looks very cool, we need an easy to use OSC replacement for dumpOSC/sendOSC. One thing, I get this when I load them: unpackOSCstream ... couldn't create unpackOSCstream ... couldn't create packOSCstream ... couldn't create packOSCstream ... couldn't

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-1930733 ] 0.41-4: prevent buffer overrun in m_class.c

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
SourceForge.net wrote: Message: it seems that MAXPDARG was just replaced with 10. Seems kind of arbitrary, anyone know why 10? Here's the commit: afaic this has been discussed in the patch tracker. read on: Comment By: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Date: 2008-05-26 12:46 It will

Re: [PD-dev] seteuid vs. setuid

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Miller Puckette wrote: Wow, I fixed this bug in 0.40 but somehow failed to propagate the fix to 0.41 and the new 0.42. I'll go on and put out bug-fixed 0.41 and 0.42 versions. are you going to fix the crasher bug in find (which i posted yesterday) as well? fgmsadr IOhannes smime.p7s

Re: [PD-dev] -guiport vs other arguments

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I mean if I exec pd from Tcl with more arguments than just -guiport 5600, I get the output of -help and then pd quits. so say like this: exec -- $pd_exec -stderr -guiport $portnumber hmm, it works here. this is my tcl-script: #!/usr/bin/tclsh set pd_exec

Re: [PD-dev] pd-gui.tk?

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Minor detail, but I was just thinking, since pd.tk is the core of the Pd gui, which is often called 'pd-gui', perhaps pd.tk should be called pd-gui.tk? if pd.tk is to be the executable (rather than using a binary pd-gui which then launches wish), why not call

[PD-dev] pd-devel 0.42 (was Re: pd-devel status report)

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: That aside. Just making sure: This devel branch is branching of vanilla 0.41-4 and the only focus is the gui (as opposed to also merging devel-0.39 features)? since 0.42 is just out, shouldn't all work be based on that? afaict, most changes

[PD-dev] wishlist: pd being able to connect to a remote pd-gui

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
since we are talking about guiports and stuff like that, i now find the time to ask a question i always wanted to ask: would it make sense to add an argument to pd so it could connect to a remote pd-gui? currently we can only specify an arbitrary port on the localhost via: pd -guiport

Re: [PD-dev] wishlist: pd being able to connect to a remote pd-gui

2009-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: since we are talking about guiports and stuff like that, i now find the time to ask a question i always wanted to ask: would it make sense to add an argument to pd so it could connect to a remote pd-gui? currently we can only specify an arbitrary port on the localhost

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2501709 ] [any2string] converts non-ascii chars to negative values

2009-01-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
SourceForge.net wrote: Bugs item #2501709, was opened at 2009-01-12 17:17 what about having a third argument: 0=signed, 1=unsigned ? also easy, but a bit klunky ... maybe an additional object [any2ustring] for unsigned chars? would the u in [any2ustring] mean unsigned or unicode? fmgasdr

Re: [PD-dev] SVN hook script: check-case-insensitive.py

2009-01-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Since Pd devs are working on a mix of platforms, some with case sensitive filesystems, and some not, I think it would be a good idea to install SourceForge's check-case-insensitive.py script as a SVN commit hook. Any objections to that? i thought it was

Re: [PD-dev] svn:externals for internal references?

2009-01-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I want to get the Pd-extended 0.41.4 release out soon but I don't have a lot of time right now. Adding svn:externals and setting up --ignore- externals will inevitably slow that process down. Can it wait? Or yes it can wait, if it's not too long. can

Re: [PD-dev] svn:externals for internal references?

2009-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If someone besides me is willing to handle setting up the --ignore- externals stuff and the repercussion quickly, as they arise, then I would have no objections to including svn:externals. what is the schedule for the next Pd-extended release? which of the

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-1654666 ] sending a cut message to an invisible subpatch makes crash

2009-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
btw, in 2 of 3 branches in the canvas_cut() check whether x-gl_editor is NULL or not. the 3rd branch is the one that crashes... attached is a patch that at least fixes this. miller, could you include this? however, my great wish would be that one could select (and cut) objects in a closed

Re: [PD-dev] removing diffs from pd-cvs emails

2009-02-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If it was a WAV, then yes. This is a 3D array of floats: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/earplug~/ well, this is semantics. the data you are including is a set of HRIRs. to the best of my knowledge HRIRs are usually

Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs

2009-02-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
ydego...@free.fr wrote: hmm, they would all remain in the distribution, they would just not be loaded by default. the patch-author would have to load libraries explicitly, which would make it (hopefully) more compatible with other distributions of Pd. not exactly true, precisely the

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: What do you propose? The built-in stuff is loaded first, so that will break patches that rely on [pow~] being the cyclone object. the implications you make do not necessarily hold true for 0.42. (does this

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 07:26 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: how can someone assume so? no, that is so not true. i didn't even know, that zexy comes with their own version of [pack] and [unpack] until some weeks ago.

Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs

2009-02-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: How does minimizing the number of loaded libraries affect the goal of storing preferences in patches? depends on what you mean by storing the preferences in patches. one part of the preferences is the libraries to be loaded. personally, i think it is a good thing to

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: correct me, if this is wrong, but i understand, that overriding internal classes doesn't work with single-file externals. so the feature of overriding internal classes doesn't and won't work with pd-extended. not necessarily; i haven't checked, but imagine: 1.: [import

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote: do i understand correctly: external classes could override internal classes also in older ( 0.42) versions of pd, but i just didn't notice it? so the new feature is 'only' that pd automatically creates aliases for

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: they could, but it was an effort to do so. any ordinary external would not be able to do it. So am I understanding it correctly, that Zexy's [pack] is not doing the fuddling Cyclone does and now

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Martin Peach wrote: I guess it never occurred to any of you to use objects with different names... Or else why not just call every pd object object and then use paths to access them, like [pd/some/library/subdirectory/object]? Just kidding in a frustrated sort of way. i don't get you

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Martin Peach wrote: Well isn't it just easier to use something with a different name? If you have a backwards [pow] why not just call it [backwardspow] instead of letting users guess which [pow] is the right one? who would object to that? but which [pow~] _is_ the right one, and which one

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: this is both with (an imagined) Pd-extended 0.42 Would this be any different with a Pd-vanilla+libs 0.42? I don't think there is anything particular to the Pd version in Pd-extended that would cause this, but instead the way the libraries are built. no

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
cyrille henry wrote: here is a patch that work with vanilla, but not with zexy unpack. ah, another bug to fix :-( oops, nobody told me yet :-) don't you use it? no, there are lots of objects in zexy which i seldomly use... fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
cyrille henry wrote: so, it look like unpack is still here. indeed. i was wrongly assuming that class_addcreator() will not override the default classes (unlike class_new()) should be _really_ fixed now. fg,asdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 15:21 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Martin Peach wrote: Well isn't it just easier to use something with a different name? If you have a backwards [pow] why not just call it [backwardspow] instead of letting users guess which [pow] is the right

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: the switch from 0.41 to 0.42 did indeed also break at least one of the netpd patches. this patch is using [unpack] for an incoming message, that misses the list selector. while this still works with pd's [unpack] (although it is an undocumented feature, i guess), it doesn't

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: sorry for causing confusion. when i speak about differences in pd-extended and pd vanilla i usually refer to the way of how libraries in pd-extended are built and not to any difference in the core of pd-extended and pd vanilla (which might doesn't exist anyway). so when i

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: i think, that the question, why a new object [pack] is named pack is not rhetoric at all and isn't answered yet. so lets go again: why is [pack] from zexy called [pack]? apart from the specifics of [pack]: if a language allows the overriding of built-in methods, then i do

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended'sdefault libs]

2009-02-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 18, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:40:10 + Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: Maybe a [which] object could help. ++ like that idea!, would be v. useful debug/helper object Yeah, that does sound useful. It

Re: [PD-dev] library proposal

2009-02-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The current setup means that you can override a pd-vanilla abstraction using a binary class in ., but you can't override a pd_vanilla binary using an abstraction in . That seems to treat .pd objectclasses as second class classes and I don't like that ;)

Re: [PD-dev] library proposal

2009-02-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Maybe compare with the abstraction cache patch I wrote a while ago, that has a similar observable result as a side-effect. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-10/012334.html yes something like this. i would even prefer it if this was a proper

Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
João Pais wrote: as I see it (if it matters), there are 2 pd distros, pd-van and pd-ext [although my view is that pd-ext should at some point assimilate pd-van - is there anyone out there that really sticks to pd-van, and doesn't use any externals, for other purposes than low-level

Re: [PD-dev] why using vanilla better than extended; was :Re: pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]

2009-02-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, cyrille henry hat gesagt: // cyrille henry wrote: this is what i was thinking for the last 5 year. i don't say that this will never change. anyway, i really appreciate the work made on pd-extended, but it is not ready for me yet. i know that my position is a bit

Re: [PD-dev] Proposals for object categories

2009-02-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
João Pais wrote: exactly. in the contrary of the before mentioned libraries, these are more groups of externals compassing different groups: glue, math, matrix, ... please someone explain to me the differences. this sounds all very nice on a piece of paper, but to which category does

Re: [PD-dev] cyclone and uppercase

2009-03-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Any comments or objections? Objection, judge! :) Some of the uppercase objects in Cyclone are there so the don't clash with builtins. Line~ is different from line~. and has been lengthily discussed on this list: aliasing will eventually override already existing

Re: [PD-dev] error: maximum object loading depth 1000 reached

2009-03-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey, This is probably mostly for IOhannes. IIRC, the code that causes the error: maximum object loading depth 1000 reached stuff was related to the hexloader. Its checked into Pd-extended, but the hexloader isn't used in Pd-extended right now. Is there some

Re: [PD-dev] [declare -distro vanilla]

2009-03-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Then there could be also something like a 'maxmsp' distro for a compatibility mode. So I was thinking there could be a #X declare -distro vanilla that each distro saves into every file. It would be safely ignored for Pd versions that didn't support the -distro

Re: [PD-dev] Using PD funcs from inside a threaded external

2009-03-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Tim Blechmann wrote: not really ... [delay 0] will schedule the outlet during the next dsp tick in the pd thread ... i'm pretty sure that this is _not_ true. a [delay 0] will schedule the message within the same tick. actually i haven't found a simple reliable way to schedule a message in

Re: [PD-dev] [declare -distro vanilla]

2009-03-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:06 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Then there could be also something like a 'maxmsp' distro for a compatibility mode. So I was thinking there could be a #X declare -distro vanilla that each distro saves

Re: [PD-dev] Using PD funcs from inside a threaded external

2009-03-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Tim Blechmann wrote: not really ... [delay 0] will schedule the outlet during the next dsp tick in the pd thread ... i'm pretty sure that this is _not_ true. a [delay 0] will schedule the message within the same tick. rescheduling a timer interrupt from a second thread, there is no such

Re: [PD-dev] pd-ext auto builds..

2009-03-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi. i put this on pd-dev. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: But if you really want to completely take over the build system from me, then I'd have no complaints. :) actually i do. scons is a nice, widely used, cross-platform and open build system. a few years ago somebody has done the work

Re: [PD-dev] 'grill' and svn:externals

2009-04-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey, I just noticed that the 'externals/grill' folder was replaced by svn:externals links. Please do not use svn:externals unless you are willing to support them with the nightly builds. They break the nightly builds because of the various errors and warnings

Re: [PD-dev] 'grill' and svn:externals

2009-04-04 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Read the code! ;-) There isn't really any documentation, but all of the scripts are in scripts/auto-build. Those scripts call the Makefiles in packages/*. Its not pretty but its not complicated. $ grep -w svn scripts/auto-build/*

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-2746054 ] hard-code default user-install paths

2009-04-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
SourceForge.net wrote: Initial Comment: This patch hard-codes user install paths outlined in this FAQ entry. This makes it so that Pd has a standard, documented place for users to install their files, and means Pd will look in the user install paths regardless of the prefs.

Re: [PD-dev] understanding canvas_objtext() in g_text.c

2009-04-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I am trying to track down the path of loading a new object. Basically, where does a class name get tested to see if a .pd_linux needs to be loaded or not? For example, if I type [drip], where does it look to see whether it needs to load drip.pd_linux? Right

[PD-dev] open_via_path() weirdness

2009-04-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi all, in the course of trying to find the filehandle-leak bug in Gem i found a weird problem with open_via_path(). can anybody find anything wrong with the attached code? if not, try the attached patch as well. everything works fine on linux, but on w32 i cannot close the file-handle

Re: [PD-dev] open_via_path() weirdness

2009-04-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Martin Peach wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: hi all, in the course of trying to find the filehandle-leak bug in Gem i found a weird problem with open_via_path(). can anybody find anything wrong with the attached code? if not, try

Re: [PD-dev] gavl and gmerlin-avdecoder in Fink and on build machines

2009-05-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi. sorry for the overcryptic mail... Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: working on getting readanysf~ compiling nicely. Now that leads me to wonder: how about getting Gem on Mac OS X to use gavl and gmerlin-avdecoder? I think it'll have much better codec support than Quicktime. how not

[PD-dev] pd-cvs shall include diffs

2009-05-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi all. i would really like to have the diffs back in the pd-cvs mails. as i see it, the current pd-cvs is only useful if you want to track build-fails of the auto-build machines. it has rather little to do with repository commits (any more). i would like to get the old behaviour back. if

Re: [PD-dev] pd-cvs shall include diffs

2009-05-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The occasional 1meg emails from big commits are kind of a pain, like when doing an import or merge. It was nice to have immediate access to scan the diffs for sure. But the web interface to the diffs is a lot more useful. Ideally, there would be a size

Re: [PD-dev] pd-cvs shall include diffs

2009-05-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: better stored in soundfiles than in header-files. inappropriate use should not keep use from having features. If I import code into the 'sources' tree (for Windows), then all of that code will be sent to pd-cvs. well, how many packages do you plan to import

Re: [PD-dev] pd-cvs shall include diffs

2009-05-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think the same goes for a merge. That's a lot of email. which merges are you talking about? i cannot think of one that will generate a lot of email now. Like merging Pd-extended 0.41.4 and Pd-vanilla 0.42.5 i don't think this is more than a pretty active

Re: [PD-dev] hdspm_mixer.c:60: error: 't_hdspm_mixer' has no member named 'card_name'

2009-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Now that the nightly builds are biulding from trunk again, we have some issues to handle: cc -DPD -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/Gem/src -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX

Re: [PD-dev] hdspm_mixer.c:60: error: 't_hdspm_mixer' has no member named 'card_name'

2009-06-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As far as I am concerned, it can be removed. I know nothing of it. it is currently under lazy development. (which means that it just got broken but fixes might not appear within the next _few_ days) there might be a running version within the next weeks. but

Re: [PD-dev] gem pix_movie, playback starts immediately when opening file

2009-06-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hannes Breitschädel wrote: Hi List! setup: Windows XP-SP 3 / latests Gem / PD Release. (June 12/09) just to make sure, your latest is the same as mine: Pd-vanilla 0.42.5 Gem 0.92CVS20090528 if not, please specify full version numbers. My patch opens a motion jpeg coded avi-file with

Re: [PD-dev] Finished iemguts' [canvasselect] and a max-toolbox-like proof of concept

2009-06-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Luke Iannini wrote: Yo all, IOhannes, do you know if it's possible to get and set the coordinates of arbitrary objects simply by index, much like [canvasposition] can do now but including externals etc. where you can't place a [canvasposition] object? This would enable the final piece of

Re: [PD-dev] align objects by keyboard shortcut WAS: Finished iemguts' [canvasselect] and a max-toolbox-like proof of concept

2009-06-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Georg Werner wrote: hi, i did an abstraction for aligning objects. thanks to canvasobjectposition this was not too hard. if you put it in your search path you can create an [align] object which provides keyboard shortcuts for left-align and top-align. and i did another option for

Re: [PD-dev] align objects by keyboard shortcut WAS: Finished iemguts' [canvasselect] and a max-toolbox-like proof of concept

2009-06-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Georg Werner wrote: this is a little workaround for not having associative arrays ... ;) sorting 2 lists by the first one. (in this case e.g. the x-values and ids of objects) yes, but i don't have it... where can i find it? don't want to do exercises that late... fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s

Re: [PD-dev] align objects by keyboard shortcut

2009-07-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
glerm soares wrote: hi, where is [canvasobjectposition] ? it's in iemguts. I could not find it. I am using pd-extended 0.41 afaik iemguts are not included in Pd-extended ieven if they were, [canvasobjectposition] would not be included, as it was only published (and written) after

Re: [PD-dev] align objects by keyboard shortcut WAS: Finished iemguts' [canvasselect] and a max-toolbox-like proof of concept

2009-07-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Georg Werner wrote: Hi Luke, i saw your patches now and thought of how to combine our efforts instead of doing the same work twice. i can imagine a modular system. like a core with the keyboard shortcuts and different modules which are triggered by them (each module gets the list of

Re: [PD-dev] align objects by keyboard shortcut WAS: Finished iemguts' [canvasselect] and a max-toolbox-like proof of concept

2009-07-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Georg Werner wrote: cool. didn't see that. well, there are objects popping up constantly... i admit that [receivecanvas] might not be the most intuitive name for this kind of functionality. asdrm IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [PD-dev] PureData/Gridflow/Camera

2009-08-03 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I just tried it with a logitech camera and I get a hard crash. You can't just say a logitech camera here. say which kind of camera. the kind means the driver that has to be used with it. That means that Logitech isn't

Re: [PD-dev] Different behaviour with -nogui flag and ASIO drivers

2009-08-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Cesar Mauri Loba wrote: Hi, With the latest pd version (0.42-5), latest ASIO drivers (v2.9) and under WinXP SP3 when I run pd -asio -audioindev 4 -audiooutdev 3 -listdev mypatch.pd all works fine. pd starts interactively and selects the appropriate ASIO devices. But if I try to run it

Re: [PD-dev] ATI + GridFlow + Gem + C++ + Linux = BOOM

2009-09-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Do you have any documentation on this as a suggested workaround? http://wiki.fifengine.de/Segfault_in_cxa_allocate_exception#Workaround_.231 Explicitly linking against libstdc++ before linking against the opengl libraries resolves

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