Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). It already has a bug since it cannot deal with so many tabs that go offscreen as ttk doesn't provide an easy way to scroll tabs. With the brand new startup order in Pd it seems OK as startup plugins start only when libs and everything are loaded so the big flood of messages is over when the plugin starts. However if you can take your time please test it under real life circumstances and feed me back if your tabs have run out of space soon. Also i have tried to impement a kind of META comment system in the source - not to flash my credits but because later i imagine a window in Pd that would automatically list available plugins with their description and let the user enable/disable them. If the META system looks alrite later i will try to make that window up. I have made a first shot on a plugin-selector plugin. Once loaded, it appears in the Media/Preferences menu. Also attached a new version off the tabbed console plugin. Comments are welcome. BTW the gtklook plugin makes messagebox font quite big (compared to the button's text) and there is no way to override it, unless i overwrite some options which i'm not bold enough to do... Andras plugins-plugin.tcl Description: Tcl script tabbed_console-plugin.tcl Description: Tcl script ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
BTW the gtklook plugin makes tk messagebox font quite big Sorry it's not gtklook. I'll have to see what, then ;o) Andras ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
2009/10/8 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com 2009/10/5 Steffen Juul st...@dibidut.dk On 02/10/2009, at 20.45, András Murányi wrote: i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). Thanks, could be useful. Just one comment. It doesn't handle lists all that well. Fx [Walk the dog( | [print x1] All the best, Steffen Thanks for the comments. I have switched off the autofocus, and put a variable to let folks switch it on. However, i have no idea how to signal new messages as i cannot even change the text in the tabs once created. Lists... they seem to be already chopped up at the C side. This means the plugin cannot deal with lists. Now that I've been thinking about this for a while - wouldn't it be OK to change the behaviour of [print PREFIX] so that when it chops up lists, it puts PREFIX to the beginning of each line not only the first? Staying with the above example, wouldn't this make more sense: x1: Walk x1: the x1: dog ...than this: x1: Walk the dog ? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, András Murányi wrote: 2009/10/8 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com 2009/10/5 Steffen Juul st...@dibidut.dk On 02/10/2009, at 20.45, András Murányi wrote: i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). Thanks, could be useful. Just one comment. It doesn't handle lists all that well. Fx [Walk the dog( | [print x1] All the best, Steffen Thanks for the comments. I have switched off the autofocus, and put a variable to let folks switch it on. However, i have no idea how to signal new messages as i cannot even change the text in the tabs once created. Lists... they seem to be already chopped up at the C side. This means the plugin cannot deal with lists. Now that I've been thinking about this for a while - wouldn't it be OK to change the behaviour of [print PREFIX] so that when it chops up lists, it puts PREFIX to the beginning of each line not only the first? Staying with the above example, wouldn't this make more sense: x1: Walk x1: the x1: dog ...than this: x1: Walk the dog Well, you'd lose the nice columns that form when the prefix is the same on every line. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
2009/10/12 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, András Murányi wrote: 2009/10/8 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com 2009/10/5 Steffen Juul st...@dibidut.dk On 02/10/2009, at 20.45, András Murányi wrote: i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). Thanks, could be useful. Just one comment. It doesn't handle lists all that well. Fx [Walk the dog( | [print x1] All the best, Steffen Thanks for the comments. I have switched off the autofocus, and put a variable to let folks switch it on. However, i have no idea how to signal new messages as i cannot even change the text in the tabs once created. Lists... they seem to be already chopped up at the C side. This means the plugin cannot deal with lists. Now that I've been thinking about this for a while - wouldn't it be OK to change the behaviour of [print PREFIX] so that when it chops up lists, it puts PREFIX to the beginning of each line not only the first? Staying with the above example, wouldn't this make more sense: x1: Walk x1: the x1: dog ...than this: x1: Walk the dog Well, you'd lose the nice columns that form when the prefix is the same on every line. Uh... right now i got no nice columns, no same prefix on each line, only on the first line. My suggestion is exactly that, to put it on every line. -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: Now that I've been thinking about this for a while - wouldn't it be OK to change the behaviour of [print PREFIX] so that when it chops up lists, it puts PREFIX to the beginning of each line not only the first? Staying with the above example, wouldn't this make more sense: x1: Walk x1: the x1: dog ...than this: x1: Walk the dog hmm, sorry to chime in, but shouln't the above example be either x1: Walk the dog or Walk the dog? no problems with or without prefixes here... Well, you'd lose the nice columns that form when the prefix is the same on every line. Uh... right now i got no nice columns, no same prefix on each line, only on the first line. My suggestion is exactly that, to put it on every line. doh, yeah, sorry, I'd say all or one, or something to keep things in columns. sure. one other thought: i haven't looked at the plugin so forgive my ignorance: but if i have a tab for each prefix, i don't see a compelling reason why you would want to display the prefix _at all_ (i thought x1 would be the name of the tab; no reason the repeat it again and again) fgmard IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. binA4ggSkqRF9.bin Description: Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
2009/10/12 zmoel...@iem.at Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: Now that I've been thinking about this for a while - wouldn't it be OK to change the behaviour of [print PREFIX] so that when it chops up lists, it puts PREFIX to the beginning of each line not only the first? Staying with the above example, wouldn't this make more sense: x1: Walk x1: the x1: dog ...than this: x1: Walk the dog hmm, sorry to chime in, but shouln't the above example be either x1: Walk the dog or Walk the dog? no problems with or without prefixes here... Well, you'd lose the nice columns that form when the prefix is the same on every line. Uh... right now i got no nice columns, no same prefix on each line, only on the first line. My suggestion is exactly that, to put it on every line. doh, yeah, sorry, I'd say all or one, or something to keep things in columns. sure. one other thought: i haven't looked at the plugin so forgive my ignorance: but if i have a tab for each prefix, i don't see a compelling reason why you would want to display the prefix _at all_ (i thought x1 would be the name of the tab; no reason the repeat it again and again) Sorry the beginning of the thread is gone so i think we need to bring up the original point once again. The plugin eats what pd sends (from the C side). Pd always sends single lines, which in case of list means lists chopped up to separate lines - only the first having a prefix (if any). Again, this already happens at the C side. For the plugin it would be the most perfect to get more detailed message structures from the C side, but that's out of question now. However, in order not to mess up with chopped up lists, it would be favourable A) to have the abovementioned prefix at the beginning of each chop of a list sent to the console B) as you said, not to chop up lists at all but to output them on a single line. I was thinking for a while about this and I think it could not possibly hurt/break anything to alter the way lists are output to the console. It may be disturbing at the first time because we are used to the old way, but it cannot really break anything, because, supposing a case when we are feeding the console to another program, lists have been impossible to be recollected from the output so far. With change A) or B) made at the C side, they could be, however. As for the plugin not to print the prefix... you're right! Andras ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
2009/10/5 Steffen Juul st...@dibidut.dk On 02/10/2009, at 20.45, András Murányi wrote: i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). Thanks, could be useful. Just one comment. It doesn't handle lists all that well. Fx [Walk the dog( | [print x1] All the best, Steffen Thanks for the comments. I have switched off the autofocus, and put a variable to let folks switch it on. However, i have no idea how to signal new messages as i cannot even change the text in the tabs once created. Lists... they seem to be already chopped up at the C side. This means the plugin cannot deal with lists. Andras tabbed_console-plugin.tcl Description: Tcl script ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
On 02/10/2009, at 20.45, András Murányi wrote: i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). Thanks, could be useful. Just one comment. It doesn't handle lists all that well. Fx [Walk the dog( | [print x1] All the best, Steffen ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
this is a pretty neat idea, but the autofocus is too agressive and doesn't make sense when there is a steady flow from multiple points. i think something akin to a chat client behaviour, where the tab title changes color when there are new messages in the queue would work better. great job, dmotd Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's awesome! It just worked for me, using pd-devel Tcl/Tk 8.5 (this plugin requires 8.5), here's my simple example patch: .hc On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:45 PM, András Murányi wrote: Dear all, i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). It already has a bug since it cannot deal with so many tabs that go offscreen as ttk doesn't provide an easy way to scroll tabs. With the brand new startup order in Pd it seems OK as startup plugins start only when libs and everything are loaded so the big flood of messages is over when the plugin starts. However if you can take your time please test it under real life circumstances and feed me back if your tabs have run out of space soon. Also i have tried to impement a kind of META comment system in the source - not to flash my credits but because later i imagine a window in Pd that would automatically list available plugins with their description and let the user enable/disable them. If the META system looks alrite later i will try to make that window up. Thanks, -- Muranyi Andras tabbed_console- plugin.tcl___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] Tabbed Console plugin
That's awesome! It just worked for me, using pd-devel Tcl/Tk 8.5 (this plugin requires 8.5), here's my simple example patch: tabbedconsole-example.pd Description: Binary data .hc On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:45 PM, András Murányi wrote: Dear all, i've attached the first version of a Tabbed Console plugin. The goal is that new messages can be sorted on new tabs by their prefix (the part before the colon). It already has a bug since it cannot deal with so many tabs that go offscreen as ttk doesn't provide an easy way to scroll tabs. With the brand new startup order in Pd it seems OK as startup plugins start only when libs and everything are loaded so the big flood of messages is over when the plugin starts. However if you can take your time please test it under real life circumstances and feed me back if your tabs have run out of space soon. Also i have tried to impement a kind of META comment system in the source - not to flash my credits but because later i imagine a window in Pd that would automatically list available plugins with their description and let the user enable/disable them. If the META system looks alrite later i will try to make that window up. Thanks, -- Muranyi Andras tabbed_console- plugin.tcl___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
