Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Georg Werner hat gesagt: // Georg Werner wrote: i mean message boxes. i think there is the misunderstanding. you dont send $1 as a message, too. not as message nor creation argument. its an expanded string inside an object or when it leaves a messagebox. $0 is just an abstraction

Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction

2009-02-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: Other thing i was thinking is that sometimes im using one saddd abstraction for hold 3 variables as in the case of colorglobal_background: 1 0 0.305085 Is this a good practice ? or is it better to use one sssad object for each

Re: [PD] Creating a basic oscillator from first principles?

2009-02-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Geoff hat gesagt: // Geoff wrote: Just a few things I need to clarify The frequency of the phasor is determined by the slope of the line, by the phase increment k. If y=mx +k and wrapping this produces an oscillator, I understand that adding k can be the phase increment

Re: [PD] escape space character

2009-02-09 Thread Chris McCormick
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:05:31PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, y wrote: I'm against adding a general escape mechanism, because I think it's better to find a design that obviate teh need for it... see

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting Georg Werner ge...@fricklr.de: Hi, i mean message boxes. i think there is the misunderstanding. you dont send $1 as a message, too. not as message nor creation argument. ok. i am only trying to explain why it is like it is without resorting to implementation-issues, but instead

Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction

2009-02-09 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org: Hallo Pun, punchik punchik hat gesagt: // punchik punchik wrote: Now you would of course never patch something like this directly, but it may be that hidden sends inside of GUI objects are used like this. the iemguis are usually protected

Re: [PD] limit in number of sssad abstraction

2009-02-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, zmoel...@iem.at hat gesagt: // zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Quoting Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org: Hallo Pun, punchik punchik hat gesagt: // punchik punchik wrote: Now you would of course never patch something like this directly, but it may be that hidden sends inside of GUI

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Georg Werner
hi, Frank Barknecht: How about making $0 in messages be a message counter? if somebody really needs that - i dont ;) ok, i give up. i think we are on a rather philosophical point now. but i had a lot of times when students where asking why they have to write [f $0]-[foobar $1( instead of

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting Georg Werner ge...@fricklr.de: hi, Frank Barknecht: How about making $0 in messages be a message counter? if somebody really needs that - i dont ;) ok, i give up. i think we are on a rather philosophical point now. yes, that's m point but i had a lot of times when students

Re: [PD] Consistency Problem - OS X[intel] - when modifying Abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Luigi
No that doesnt mean anything, i just threw away some garbage lying around. Actually the patch does not work in that version Am 09.02.2009 um 04:13 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: Ok, I get that too. First thing I notice is that some connections are failing. It looks like perhaps

Re: [PD] PTP/libgphoto in PD?

2009-02-09 Thread Michal Seta
Hey Ben, I have actually started being interested in this. I have not done any work yet nor extensive research but there seem to be libgphoto2 bindings for python (I do a bit of python scripting in pd already for the same project). So, if there's nothing yet available and you don't mind

Re: [PD] video bluescreen

2009-02-09 Thread Garrett Lynch
Hi Apologies for the slowness of my reply. Thanks both for the examples. I couldn't get pix_background working Ben but it seems to be not what I'm looking for on this occasion anyway. Mark, managed to see yours working, yep its pretty raw but it's a start which is what I needed. Many

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Matt Barber
[f $0]-[message $1( is conceptually different from [message $0( for the same reason that [f $2]-[message $1( is conceptually different from [message $2( (and would be, even if $0 had any meaning in a message box). When I teach I always start with dollar-sign expansion in message-boxes, since

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
I think it would make sense (both pedagogically and practically) if $0 in message boxes actually _did_ something. Incrementing per message box would be one option, but expanding to a user-defined symbol or float could be very useful: [loadbang] | [f $0] | [; set $0( That way, message box $0

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Oops, I screwed up that ascii art patch. It should be more like this: [loadbang] | [f $0] | [; set dollarzero $1( -Jonathan --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com wrote: From: Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions To: PD-List

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Mike McGonagle
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it would make sense (both pedagogically and practically) if $0 in message boxes actually _did_ something. Incrementing per message box would be one option, but expanding to a user-defined symbol or float could

Re: [PD] escape space character

2009-02-09 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Do you have any examples of full-fledged languages that don't have an escaping mechanism? I used to make rather large programmes using QuickBASIC, which had doublequote-delimited strings in which you could have spaces, but newlines had to be

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Phil Stone
This has been an interesting discussion about the philosophy behind dollar-sign symbols in Pd, but it seems to me like most participants are talking around Georg's original point at the head of the thread: it's inconvenient to get $0 (the unique-id-for-this-abstraction value) into a message,

Re: [PD] $0 in message boxes WAS: here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Georg Werner
Hi, there were a lot of things thrown together in the last replies. thanks for all your thoughts about abstraction arguments - but i never talked about them. i only talked about $0 and that is not one of them. and i wanted to bring more consistency into Pd (think of a $0 which means at all times

[PD] resizing samples, noob question

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Faraday
Hey guysI'm trying to create a patch that play samples 'at speed' but which is then variable. I need an equation to turn the number of samples in a table into the length of the sound file in seconds. Using this I should be able to divide one by the number of seconds and use that figure to

Re: [PD] escape space character

2009-02-09 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Chris McCormick wrote: Almost every modern language has at least one of these basic features, and that is why I still stubbornly refuse to call Pd a programming language. It may be turing complete, but it's not useful for general purpose programming. It definately could be

Re: [PD] another problem with pd extended

2009-02-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This should be fixed in today's build. .hc On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Martin Peach wrote: Just installed Pd-0.41.4-extended-20090207-ubuntu-intrepid-i386.deb and get no menus in the main window, rendering the whole thing useless... Message in terminal window says: tcl:

Re: [PD] Consistency Problem - OS X[intel] - when modifying Abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
With Pd-0.42-4 vanilla on Mac OS X 10.5.6/Intel, I can't reproduce this. With Pd-0.41-4 vanilla, I can. I get one: error: .x34e4d0: no such object .hc On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'm not sure if this is related since I'm running winxp, but I was getting about

Re: [PD] here I go again..dynamic abstractions

2009-02-09 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: Georg Werner hat gesagt: // Georg Werner wrote: i mean message boxes. i think there is the misunderstanding. you dont send $1 as a message, too. not as message nor creation argument. its an expanded string inside an object or when it leaves a