Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-11-01 Thread Michal Seta
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Epic Jefferson jeffreyconcepc...@gmail.com wrote: // 128 sine waves with random freq mixed down to stereo: { Splay.ar(SinOsc.ar({ExpRand(100, 5e3)} ! 128)) }.play in CSound, we could have a better idea of the different coding perspectives. I have not used

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-11-01 Thread yvan volochine
On 11/01/2011 04:23 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote: It's great to see pyo make an appearance in this discussion. For completion's sake, here's the 128 sine waves with random freq mixed down to stereo example written in pyo. I find it much more readable than either SC or cSound, but that's only a

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-11-01 Thread johannes
hello, nice thread - iam interested in two things: the soundquality/ resolution and stabillity at cpu expensive applications of these three programminglanguages. do they differ? thanks, jo Am 01.11.11 11:16, schrieb yvan volochine: On 11/01/2011 04:23 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote: It's

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-11-01 Thread Jean-Michel Dumas
Olivier (pyo's dev) responded offlist while I was busy writing a reply. I'm posting what he has to say here for the benefit of the list. For those interested (and to avoid hijacking pd-land), there is a pyo mailing list here: http://groups.google.com/group/pyo-discuss Pyo radio will be back up

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-11-01 Thread Max
there has been a discussion about the sound quality that in 3/2010, unfortunately split up in a few threads: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2010-03/077079.html http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2010-03/077205.html (…) the upcoming double precision Pd will change a few

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-31 Thread Michal Seta
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:45 PM, yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com wrote: 1. How do they compare against each other? I only know a bit csound and am an everyday sc user. - I find csound oldschool syntax pretty boring but maybe that's just me. I find SC syntax pretty ugly, so I guess it is

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-31 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Michal Seta m...@artengine.ca To: yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list Pd-list@iem.at; João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-31 Thread Epic Jefferson
31, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:45 PM, yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com wrote: 1. How do they compare against each other? I only know a bit csound and am an everyday sc user. - I find csound oldschool syntax

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-31 Thread Jean-Michel Dumas
volochine yvan...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list Pd-list@iem.at; João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:45 PM, yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com wrote: 1. How do they compare

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-30 Thread Malte Steiner
I started with Csound as first software based system (on my 486 systems back then mostly in non realtime), then PD came around, both in Windows, some years Max/MSP on Mac because I couldnt stand Windows anymore and then back to PD and Csound on Linux. Supercollider never worked for me although

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-30 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2011-10-26 à 12:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Not too long ago matju wrote about the possibility that one could make GF objects that are basically clones of signal objects that work on grids, and that at the bottom of your object chain you'd have a GF object that outputs a signal (or

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-27 Thread yvan volochine
On 10/26/2011 11:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Its true, that is the downside of everything having a physical representation, i.e. each instance has its object box. But I think that its possible to make it really easy in Pd. That's the goal of the 'many' lib. I'd love feedback on what you

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread João Pais
After the recent post about CsoundforLive, it resparked my interest in trying out one of the text based audio synthesis programs. Since it seems like a very steep learning curve to start learning any of these(Csounds, SuperCollider or Chuck) I just wanted to see if anyone here has had any

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread yvan volochine
1. How do they compare against each other? I only know a bit csound and am an everyday sc user. - I find csound oldschool syntax pretty boring but maybe that's just me. - sc is a killer for realtime dsp. - sc-list is *extremely* active and helpful. ... 3. What sort of things can be achieved

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 26, 2011, at 2:45 PM, yvan volochine wrote: 1. How do they compare against each other? I only know a bit csound and am an everyday sc user. - I find csound oldschool syntax pretty boring but maybe that's just me. - sc is a killer for realtime dsp. - sc-list is *extremely* active

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: yvan volochine yvan...@gmail.com To: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Cc: pd-list Pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck 1. How do they compare against each other? I

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread yvan volochine
On 10/26/2011 09:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: 3. What sort of things can be achieved in these programs that can't be achieved in Pd, if any? polyphony in pd is a nightmare, you get it for free in sc: // 128 sine waves with random freq mixed down to stereo: {

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread yvan volochine
On 10/26/2011 09:38 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: polyphony in pd is a nightmare, you get it for free in sc: // 128 sine waves with random freq mixed down to stereo: { Splay.ar(SinOsc.ar({ExpRand(100, 5e3)} ! 128)) }.play Not too long ago matju wrote about the possibility that one could make GF

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:19 PM, yvan volochine wrote: On 10/26/2011 09:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: 3. What sort of things can be achieved in these programs that can't be achieved in Pd, if any? polyphony in pd is a nightmare, you get it for free in sc: // 128 sine waves with random

[PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-25 Thread Epic Jefferson
After the recent post about CsoundforLive, it resparked my interest in trying out one of the text based audio synthesis programs. Since it seems like a very steep learning curve to start learning any of these(Csounds, SuperCollider or Chuck) I just wanted to see if anyone here has had any

Re: [PD] OT: Poll: Csounds or SuperCollider or Chuck

2011-10-25 Thread Ricardo Fabbri
Hi Epic, I am not a specialist, but I know from my brother and other experienced composers that one big reason for switching between these is simply the different ideas and possibilities they sparkle on the composer's mind. Once they have maxed-out on using and exploring Pd, they switch to the