On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says
we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about
free software, for example),
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the
code.
What can I answer to this ?
(Can you ask some specific questions instead ?)
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| Mathieu Bouchard
Thanks Mathieu, well, I've been tracking with pix_background and
pix_blob, also with the controversial PiDiP library, is very sad to
have problems... but...life ... I programming on processing and
arduino and yet can not understand all the code a gridflow,I spent so
not much time, I teach in the
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during
workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that
suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not
ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about
it's not playlist~ that has been windozified by Krzysztof Czaja, it's
Scrolllist.
He has been murdered by sevy since he did that or what?
- ydego...@gmail.com a écrit :
it could not be
all code is heavily unix-bounded
you had good LSD?
sevy
Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote :
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares
like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of
the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the
possible
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during
workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object
that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban
windows as not ban pidip or
On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get
[playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago,
maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser..
under ui in
patrick wrote:
On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get
[playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago,
maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser..
under
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Look at this - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
everybody should be 'free' to carry a gun,
someone said
You are «free» to be besides the point.
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote:
You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops.
I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your
needs on your platform. The solution
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they
did not work cross platform
they don't, probably are the only ones (don't know by heart)
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I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get
[playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago,
maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
On 12/11/10 9:28 PM, João Pais wrote:
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or
it could not be
all code is heavily unix-bounded
you had good LSD?
sevy
Derek Holzer wrote:
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get
[playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago,
maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available.
D.
On
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-
pidip into Debian
To: Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com,
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS:
pd-pidip into Debian
To:
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they did not
work cross platform
I found that veejay reloaded support frei0r now too
i was just using mgrid to teach a simple video theremin to get students
interested in pd
but alot of kids either have windows 7 or even vista
You probably mean [grid], another of Degoyon's objects from the
unauthorized lib. This means it could have the same potential problems
for inclusion in PDx as PiDiP. Another problem with this lib is the lack
of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops
before. Obviously I
Up until a few days ago, 'unauthorized' was GPL, so we can continue
using that version under the GPL. That means that version can also
continue to be included in Pd-extended since Pd-extended is also GPL.
.hc
On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
i just recently had to
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
From: Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into
Debian
To: Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl
Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at
Well, I used pix_blob, or blob tracker, do not remember exactly, but I
always gave erratic readings or based only on two axes, I like working with
coordinate and mgrid are well suited to that need. Mathieu Gridflow ever
asked me, I have not tried what Derek and Mathieu proposes no doubt I will
Which kind of tracking to do want to do? It should be pretty easy to
a motiongrid as an abstraction. Start with the diff tracking Gem
example, and then just break it down into a grid.
.hc
On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we
Hello,
You can use [pix_crop] with [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and
[pix_blob] to have something similar to [pdp_mgrid]. [pix_crop] will
return a subimage of a (for example) video from a webcam. Apply on each
subimage [pix_movement]/[pix_movement2] and [pix_blob] to return the id
(or coords) of
Hi Jack!, I was testing proposed by colleagues, and it works, I
removed the noise, not yet determined what happens, but it becomes
stable, at least the stable axes can provide data, but I keep trying,
I've worked with opencv and works without problems, also gridflow is
amazing ...
Now, the moment
You could be forgiven. The effort to forge this confusion is
one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st Century.
There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST)
Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010,
--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote:
From: Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into
Debian
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:50 AM
You could be forgiven. The
What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO
ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?
In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really
being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so
why not just implement
Hi list!, PiDiP In my humble opinion is a great tool for video work, a
complement to or Gem or Gridflow and actually doing would be a shame
to stay out of pd extended.
I like the possibilities of interaction and partnership with OpenCV
... is a penalty if it is not in pd, but is also addressing
yes, all of the effectTV filters
if we can get pix_effectTV half of it would be obsolete
but also
pdp_mgrid
pdp_cmap
pdp_ctrack
pdp_ascii
are essential
pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to
play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
pdp_mgrid
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
results into bands or
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
Hi all!,
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of
[pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel
values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed
values.
D.
On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
I don't quite understand why
lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?
pp
From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer
[de...@umatic.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Hi list... a big issue, however ... PiDiP remain in extended pd
libraries?
I don't know, ... five years ago, I was being flamed by Degoyon out of
nowhere (as usual), and so, I got curious about which license he used for
his software, because
So what does this really mean?
We have to go back to building pidip from source if we want to use it?
has it changed that much from when it was released?
I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and
would like to continue
Why is there this animosity?
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP is a port
of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses are valid for PiDiP?
Relicensing of EffecTV code from GPL to Degoyon license is ILLEGAL, and
linking of EffecTV code
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yeah, I think that's the case, its been discussed before:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-ot/2006-01/001371.html
But legally, the way that it goes, is that licenses have to be explicitly
produced by the respective copyright holders,
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from
source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was
released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning
these objects and would like to
Ouch, my eyes!
http://www.352media.com/rantingandraving/CMFiles/Images/CapsLock.jpg
Shouting in caps lock doen't make it LEGAL!!!11! or something :)
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:42:03 -0500 (EST)
Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
I was
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
* You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but you
can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US
Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws.
But this can't
illegal where? Globally?
What of fair use?
From: Mathieu Bouchard [ma...@artengine.ca]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:59 AM
To: Pagano, Patrick
Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner; ydego...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
illegal where? Globally?
Anywhere it is that licenses written by non-lawyers mean anything. Which
means, pretty much everywhere copyright laws may apply today.
What of fair use?
Fair use traditionally overrides *any* license, thus if you know
Its not illegal because its a not about laws, but rather copyright
licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between
private parties.
Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict
irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be
sued
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its not illegal because its a not about laws, but rather copyright
licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between private
parties.
Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
You'll also have to consider SourceForge's Terms of Use, which seem to
disallow software with licenses that do not fit into the Open Source
Definition.
(from
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/What%20projects%20qualify%20for%20hosting%20at%20SourceForge.net?)
# The software
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge,
that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl,
if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge.
ciao,
sevy
pd _ and could you leave
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:50 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge,
that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl,
if you know what i mean.
so yeh you can
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar
restrictions on the license.
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge,
that grants more rights to US citizens than to others.
we can find a domain
Hi list... a big issue, however ... PiDiP remain in extended pd libraries?
Best regards
José
2010/12/5 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar restrictions on
the license.
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:50 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP is a
port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact on what licenses are valid
for PiDiP?
-John
On 12/05/2010 07:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
berlios is based in Germany, but I think they have similar
restrictions on
Yeah, I think that's the case, its been discussed before:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-ot/2006-01/001371.html
.hc
On Dec 5, 2010, at 8:54 PM, John Harrison wrote:
I was curious, since EffecTV is GPL and a significant part of PiDiP
is a port of EffecTV --- does this make an impact
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