On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So why not always have [clip~ -1 1] before and/or after your pd master
volume control?
Dunno, I only ever use OSS and ALSA, which already clip. I have no use for
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:19 -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
On 2011-08-29 11:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when using
PD w/ headphones. Even
On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:19 -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
On 2011-08-29 11:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:59:39PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
I always had the feeling, that on OS X on MacBooks (Pro) the sound
coming from the speakers is heavily processed. Audio sounds a lot
'punchier' than for example the same
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Chris McCormick wrote:
Is this true of the iOS devices too? I always got the impression there
was some mad compression going on there. I could just imagine Steve Jobs
issuing a directive: My favorite crunk mp3s do not POP enough. Make
everything POP more immediately. The
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when
using PD w/ headphones. Even at lowest system volumes, it seems
that Terrible Things can happen. Are there any precautions that I
can
Two good rules:
- if there is any doubt, use speakers set on low volume
- keep your figure on the mute button when messing around with unknowns
I've perfected the rip the headphones out reflex, I can get the
headphones out of my ears in well under a second without even thinking
about it
On 2011-08-29 11:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when using
PD w/ headphones. Even at lowest system volumes, it seems that
Terrible Things can
On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Martin Peach wrote:
On 2011-08-29 11:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when
using
PD w/ headphones. Even at
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
To: Martin martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM
Ah, guilty as charged.
Those LPC plugins don't work very well due to discuntinuities in the filter
kernel across DSP block boundaries. It has been on my to-do list for a very
long time to recode those objects using a different method. One way to
guarantee that things will screw up is to
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Ed Kelly wrote:
The problem is that some objects can generate unstable errors that are
orders of magnitude greater than normal audio signals. Then there is a
signal that maybe goes between +/- 10 rather than +/- 1, and the
volume control makes little difference.
On 2011-08-29 20:04, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Ed Kelly wrote:
The problem is that some objects can generate unstable errors that are
orders of magnitude greater than normal audio signals. Then there is a
signal that maybe goes between +/- 10 rather than +/- 1, and the
- Original Message -
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
To: Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Ed Kelly wrote:
The problem is that some
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So why not always have [clip~ -1 1] before and/or after your pd master volume
control?
Dunno, I only ever use OSS and ALSA, which already clip. I have no use for
the extra clip.
Could the distortion resulting from clipping out of range values
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Martin Peach wrote:
Yeah, you can actually blow the whole planet to pieces by accidentally
multiplying your output by a trillion.
Why not... after all, the first blackholes appeared after a division by
zero.
- Original Message -
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk; PD List pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Jonathan
On 30/08/11 00:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Martin Peach wrote:
On 2011-08-29 11:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 23, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Martin wrote:
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past
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On 2011-08-24 02:33, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
An [osc~] multiplied by will sound louder
but it won't actually be louder than an osc multiplied by one (the
amplitude at the output
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On 2011-08-24 07:32, Richie Cyngler wrote:
I don't get why no one is talking about reducing the signal level before
dac~?
because we are talking about a safety net here.
everything done before the [dac~], you can easily circumvent within the
On 08/23/2011 11:47 PM, Richie Cyngler wrote:
(whatever kind of sound gen you like)
|
[*~ 0.2]
| \
[dac~]
i think you should put a clip -1 1 before the *~ 0.2.
otherwise, if you connect something like osc~ *~ 1 for
example, you would get some very loud drilling sound at the
dac~
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hm... I'm not sure I understand the danger.
Isn't this:
[noise~]
|
[*~ 99]
|
[dac~]
an implicit version of:
[noise~]
|
[*~ 99]
|
[clip~ -1 1]
|
[dac~]
?
Yes. Thus it makes square waves. Their power is :
(integral of (±1)² on [a;b]) /
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when using
PD w/ headphones. Even at lowest system volumes, it seems that
Terrible Things can happen. Are there any precautions that I can take
to make it feel less like I'm taking my life
That's the danger of low level manipulation :D
[adc~]
|
[* 1000]
|
[dac~]
not the best idea :)
Put the volume low always, and be extremely careful.
OR: compressor? peak limiter? (after the headphones...) Because if you are
suggesting to be code careful that might mess up all the fun.
Best,
*~ :D
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote:
That's the danger of low level manipulation :D
[adc~]
|
[* 1000]
|
[dac~]
not the best idea :)
Put the volume low always, and be extremely careful.
OR: compressor? peak limiter? (after the headphones...)
waves at maximum amplitude at
every frequency? If so you couldn't one just make sure that this output
doesn't hurt one's ears with the headphones on?
-Jonathan
To: Stephen Lavelle analy...@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata
with the headphones on?
-Jonathan
*To:* Stephen Lavelle analy...@gmail.com
*Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
That's the danger of low level manipulation :D
[adc~]
|
[* 1000]
|
[dac~]
not the best idea :)
Put
sure that
this output doesn't hurt one's ears with the headphones on?
-Jonathan
*To:* Stephen Lavelle analy...@gmail.com
*Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
That's the danger of low level manipulation :D
[adc
2011/8/23 Martin martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen Lavelle wrote:
I've managed to hurt my ears twice over the past two days when using PD w/
headphones. Even at lowest system volumes, it seems that Terrible Things
can happen. Are there any precautions that I can take
Do you mean:
[osc~ some-frequency]
|
[*~ ]
?
From: tim vets timv...@gmail.com
To: Martin martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
2011/8/23 Martin martin.pe
than that.
Martin
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*To:* Martin martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
*Cc:* pd-list@iem.at
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: [PD] making puredata headphone
...@sympatico.ca
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*Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
2011/8/23 Martin martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
mailto:martin.peach@**sympatico.ca martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
On 23/08/11 03:29 PM, Stephen
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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On 2011-08-23 18:25, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Do you mean:
[osc~ some-frequency]
|
[*~ ]
?
I don't think so. Hz is around dentist
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
An [osc~] multiplied by will sound louder
but it won't actually be louder than an osc multiplied by one (the
amplitude at the output will still be between 1 and -1).
I think it actually depends on your sound card whether or
use a limiter~ (from zexy) before your dac~
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On 2011-08-23 15:45, patrick wrote:
use a limiter~ (from zexy) before your dac~
No. You have to decide what is the level that you can live with and work
with that. You need to blast the loudest sound you can make and adjust
your phones that level.
I don't get why no one is talking about reducing the signal level before
dac~?
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.cawrote:
On 2011-08-23 15:45, patrick wrote:
use a limiter~ (from zexy) before your dac~
No. You have to decide what is the level that you can
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