Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data

2012-02-10 Thread hans w. koch
* Pd vs Max/MSP: My impression is that many serious users of Max/MSP feel that the slightly smoother user interface is worth the cost of the license. An overhaul of the UI would help Pd a lot, I think. allthough there was a fierce war raging when the round corners were introduced. and as a

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Lets not forget RJDJ. I think the idea of having CUE-able pd/GEM Scenes is paramount in my hopes for pd [except I want externals too, not just vanilla :-)! Also Things like EVtoolkit are astounding leaps towards making pd a interactive theatrical presentation tool. If I could get sequential

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data

2012-02-10 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-02-10 à 10:08:00, hans w. koch a écrit : nothing against noobs or stepsequencers, but in my oldfashioned way, i think that pd or max have a learning curve no matter how nice they look. Most of all, they have a very useful learning curve. It's the kind of learning curve of programming

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread u...@xdv.org
to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a lot though ... well, seems like i should go for supercollider/osc. or is there another wii external for linux? thanks+ciao, ub it still crashes a lot though,

[PD] bonk~

2012-02-10 Thread joe higham
Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Try disis_wiimote (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56). We use it as the core controller inside L2Ork with over dozen machines in the same room and it has been rock solid for over 2 years. It is multithreaded so sending rumble/led messages back to Wiimote does not block Pd. It is also

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Should I install this version of wait for Gilded Palace of Sin?! Ha! pp -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Ivica Ico Bukvic Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:39 AM To: u...@xdv.org; 'pd-list' Subject: Re: [PD] wiimote report Try

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread John Harrison
Yes I had similar problems and switching to [disis_wiimote] fixed all the crashes. OT: is any of L2Ork going to be merged into Pd/PdX at some point? Seems like there are some good improvements going on there, for example unlimited undo. -John On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 15:48 +0100, u...@xdv.org wrote: to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a lot though ... well, seems like i should go for supercollider/osc. or is there another wii external

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick
I will try disis when I get to my linux box, I could never get pd-wiimote to work for more than 20 minutes without a full pd crash so this is good news. -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Roman Haefeli Sent: Friday, February 10,

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 16:47 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 15:48 +0100, u...@xdv.org wrote: to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a lot though ... well, seems like i should

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 02/10/12 17:11, Roman Haefeli wrote: Hm.. we have clearly more success stories with [disis_wimoote] than with [wiimote] pd-svn. Probably [disis_wiimote] should be in debian? i don't know, it feels like we have clearly more bug reports for [wiimote] than for [disis_wiimote] otoh, some

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 15:48 +0100, u...@xdv.org wrote: to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a lot though ... well, seems like i should go for

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread u...@xdv.org
it still crashes a lot though, especially with With what? sorry. with gem and dsp on. it seems to me like the more there is going on, the sooner it crashes. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread u...@xdv.org
On 10.02.2012 16:47, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 15:48 +0100, u...@xdv.org wrote: to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a lot though ... well, seems like i should go for supercollider/osc.

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 02/10/12 17:38, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: and why couldn't a lot of people benefit from the disis_wiimote? i think nobody challenged that. it is open source and it's just a matter of packaging it for a specific distro. yes, somebody has to do the work. btw, [wiimote] is open source

[PD] tabread4~ / index reload / style

2012-02-10 Thread Jean-Marie Adrien
Hi dear list When you have in an abstraction a classical tabread4~ driven by a phasor~ or a vline~ AND when you happen to reload the array which is hooked in the tabread4~ via a set message what is the smart way to deal with the index (phase~ or vline~) whilst loading the new sample ? a

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 15:48 +0100, u...@xdv.org wrote: to answer my question: i changed onoff from int to float and it works such that i can turn reports on and off. it still crashes a

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Why have two wiimote objects? Is there a specific reason why they can't be merged? If we pool the work on it we'll have one better wiimote object versus two different wiimote objects that are both less good. Do you mind elaborating why you believe both objects are less good in and of

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
while i appreciate your work with pd-l2ork, i think it would be great if you would be trying to get the fixes into upstream (where you forked from). I did, but many fixes never got anywhere (we had this discussion a while ago), and while in the early days I spent most of my time providing

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] Can anyone on windows 7 confirm TCL bug?

2012-02-10 Thread rolf meesters
no bugs on my W7. un-installed 42.5, installed build of 20120131 works ok. rolf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread András Murányi
Well, what I understand is that pd-l2ork has already been synthesised as a pile of patches over pd 0.42. If I'm getting it right, disis_wiimote could be too, but is not yet, go on git as a set of patches over a certain version of wiimote, which would open the possibility to merge patches upstream.

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Not really, there are a bunch of features pd-l2ork has that pd and pd-extended dont have and even more bugfixes. Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Director, CCTAD Virginia

Re: [PD] GUI and DSP

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-02-08 à 11:55:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : While technically correct that's misleading because there's a lot of stuff happening on the 'pd' side that a reasonable person would assume to be handled on the 'pd-gui' side. Well,

Re: [PD] GUI and DSP

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca; Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: Why have two wiimote objects? Is there a specific reason why they can't be merged? If we pool the work on it we'll have one better wiimote object versus two different wiimote objects that are both less good. Do you mind elaborating why

Re: [PD] wiimote report

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: while i appreciate your work with pd-l2ork, i think it would be great if you would be trying to get the fixes into upstream (where you forked from). I did, but many fixes never got anywhere (we had this discussion a while ago), and

Re: [PD] GUI and DSP

2012-02-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu; Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca; pd-list@iem.at List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] GUI and DSP

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It would be great if someone took on making the website nicer. The framework that's there is pretty solid, it just needs someone to come and give it the finishing touches. Some of this can be broken down into many little tasks. In the past year or two, I've been working on trying to make

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
The FLOSS manuals book is editable by anyone. Please fix it if it has wrong info. :) .hc On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: There are still a lot of sticking points with Pd for new users-- someone recently wrote the list asking where all the objects are that are listed

Re: [PD] Thoughts in conclusion of the 4th Pure Data Convention

2012-02-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Having a static table of objects that informs the user what's included in the currently shifting target that is Pd-extended is the wrong approach.  My solution would be to delete the entire table, but maybe someone else has a better, less drastic idea. -Jonathan - Original Message