Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:51:32PM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Kevin McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time To: Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use fluxbox WM, no hassle, no fancy bollocks. It's just X with some coloured window bars and a program launcher menu. I should have mentioned that I use the same, I love fb but the programs are still slow to start - problems must be elsewhere. I ended up liking xterm better because it is so speedy but I am still interested in finding out more. xterm is even the slowest around (the start up benchmarks that i have seen, recomend gnome-term, but i think gnome-term is fast to start-up, but it takes A LOT while running! ) rxvt and aterm are very good, i use aterm for general purpose and urxvt when i need unicode (mutt, irc). generaly unicode does make apps take more memory, cause characters take more ... you know .. People always say you shouldn't have to reinstall linux to maintain it so I would love to hear about possible remedies.. just don't. (i mean about doing reinstall) what distro are you on? km -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Extend Pd with widget ?
All right. thaks. Is there any existing widget library available to extend PD ? 2007/10/5, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a couple ways. You can write Tcl widgets using [tow] and [widget] from toxy, and you can write GUI externals using the Tcl/C API. .hc On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Olivier Revollat wrote: Hello ! Is there any way to improve pd gui with new widgets ? is there any library available ? Thanks ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
yes, maybe I was not not precise, but that's what I had in mind. I just wanted to say, that if we know about a bug then we could put a note about the bug on the wikipage of that objectclass (for information purpose, but not for discussion purpose). marius. if someone leaves a note somewhere, it might go unnoticed for a while (or for ever), right? How about giving the user 2 choices: to give the link to file a bug report and explain how to do it, or if the user is a novice/in a hurry (that happens a lot), inform the administrator of that language about the bug (who will file the bug report). One 3rd option could be informing the author, but according to my experience the authors have more to do, so it is more efficient to make an official bug report. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] xml-rpc
Hallo! after I finished my script I found out that there is already an object that does xml-rpc (iemxmlrpc). iem used it for the iArs project, but I did not find the object? It is in pd-cvs/externals/iem/iemxmlrpc/ I am planning to use it as a protocol to talk to a database server. (sounds boring, no?) No! I was pondering how to do some mySQL inserts and queries from Pd just the other day. Wanna show us some tricks? What do you wanna do (marius) ? Directly query the mySQL database ? Then you could just do it in pyext (I posted a mySQL pyext-external for pd some time ago to the list). If you need communication to other languages or whatever, xmlrpc is nice - I used it quite a lot for installations etc. LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Extend Pd with widget ?
Hi, those widgets needs some tk extensions http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/extensions/gui/ix you can also modify pd.tk for extending pd gui possibilities Olivier Revollat a écrit : All right. thaks. Is there any existing widget library available to extend PD ? 2007/10/5, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a couple ways. You can write Tcl widgets using [tow] and [widget] from toxy, and you can write GUI externals using the Tcl/C API. .hc On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Olivier Revollat wrote: Hello ! Is there any way to improve pd gui with new widgets ? is there any library available ? Thanks ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailto:PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] totally absurd
Hi, I'm struggling with a problem of the most weird kind. I've not been able to isolate it, but I do can report a systematic behaviour which astonishes me. PD-Vanilla 0.40.1 in Windows XP I have an enormous very complex patch that I've been developing for months, built with a careful top-down/bottom-up design (i.e. designing and reusing a huge lot of abstractions at various levels), with a lot of GOP, also nested. Up to now I didn't have any serious problem, and the programming of the patch is quite clean; for example I used to be able to use it for hours without without a single error message ever showing up in the output. Now, after some recent changes, the ABSURD behaviour is: *CASE 1* -I launch PD -I open my main patch -PD crashes immediately *CASE 2* -I launch PD -I create a new patch (File/new) -I put a [route a b c] (literally) object, and NOTHING more -I open my main patch -PD DOESN'T crash and the patch works great as it used to do. If I launch PD with from commandline with -noloadbang, it never crashes, so I guess the crash is caused by some message triggered by some loadbang I've repeated the two tests tens of times (always closing pd and starting over from scratch) and the results are 100% coherent, i.e. case 1 always crashes, and case 2 never crashes. I'm really astonished: how is it possible that the mere existence or non existence of a [route] object not connected to anything can prevent or not the crash, whatever causes it?!!!???!?!? I know I'm giving too little information to ask for a diagnosis, but does anybody know of some weired bug of [route]?? The recent changes mentioned above, are in the [control_element] abstractionn that I attach, which uses the [schange] and [switch2] abstractions. I can't see anything wrong in them I can't reproduce the bug with a simple test patch using an instance of [control_element]. It is used tons of times in my main patch. Any idea? Do you see any potential problem in the attached patch that may cause illegal situations under some circumstances? I will greatly appreciate any help Bye m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N canvas 377 0 760 672 12; #X obj 151 81 r \$1-if-send; #X obj 151 107 s \$1; #X obj 200 151 r \$1; #X obj 250 765 s \$1-if-receive; #X obj 199 231 route float symbol; #X obj 72 554 change; #X obj 10 372 switch2; #X msg 32 434 set \$1; #X obj 29 404 t b f f; #X msg 85 378 1; #X obj 425 596 schange; #X obj 475 416 switch2; #X msg 533 506 set \$1; #X msg 550 422 1; #X obj 536 462 t b s s; #X obj 242 673 list prepend set; #X obj 242 703 list trim; #X text 63 305 change object; #X text 65 278 this used to go; #X text 65 292 directly to the; #X text 360 317 this used to go; #X text 360 331 directly to the; #X text 358 344 schange object; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 6 0; #X connect 4 1 11 0; #X connect 4 2 15 0; #X connect 5 0 15 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 6 1 5 0; #X connect 7 0 5 0; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 8 1 7 0; #X connect 8 2 15 0; #X connect 9 0 6 1; #X connect 10 0 15 0; #X connect 11 0 14 0; #X connect 11 1 10 0; #X connect 12 0 10 0; #X connect 13 0 11 1; #X connect 14 0 13 0; #X connect 14 1 12 0; #X connect 14 2 15 0; #X connect 15 0 16 0; #X connect 16 0 3 0; #N canvas 263 183 639 477 12; #X obj 115 59 inlet; #X obj 107 368 outlet; #X obj 387 375 outlet; #X obj 389 77 inlet; #X obj 389 170 select 0 1; #X obj 290 48 loadbang; #X obj 290 102 f \$1; #X obj 109 288 spigot 1; #X obj 369 291 spigot 0; #X msg 138 242 1; #X msg 178 243 0; #X msg 402 247 1; #X msg 442 248 0; #X obj 141 207 t b b; #X obj 364 207 t b b; #X connect 0 0 8 0; #X connect 0 0 7 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 13 0; #X connect 4 1 14 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 4 0; #X connect 7 0 1 0; #X connect 8 0 2 0; #X connect 9 0 7 1; #X connect 10 0 7 1; #X connect 11 0 8 1; #X connect 12 0 8 1; #X connect 13 0 12 0; #X connect 13 1 9 0; #X connect 14 0 10 0; #X connect 14 1 11 0; #N canvas 444 238 458 308 12; #X obj 171 46 inlet; #X obj 189 274 outlet; #X obj 181 152 select -; #X obj 177 211 t s s; #X obj 105 86 route set; #X obj 105 111 symbol; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 2 1 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X connect 3 1 2 1; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 4 1 2 0; #X connect 5 0 2 1; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] PD-announce Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
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Re: [PD] totally absurd
matteo sisti sette wrote: I'm really astonished: how is it possible that the mere existence or non existence of a [route] object not connected to anything can prevent or not the crash, whatever causes it?!!!???!?!? most likely you are experiencing memory corruption. the instantation of another object ([route]) will just change the memory layout sufficiently to not expose the bug. I know I'm giving too little information to ask for a diagnosis, but does anybody know of some weired bug of [route]?? as said above, it is unlikely that [route] is directly related to your trouble. it just helps to (not) expose the real problem. this kind of bugs is generally hard to track down. i would suggest to create a list of all objects you are using, do a ranking of the likelihood that they are the culprits and investigate them separately. also make sure that you are using the latest and greatest (well, the greatest might be sufficient) release of any externals you are using. fmga.dsr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] xml-rpc
hmmm, I don't know so much about the server side yet. it is an ontological database (which I was told is more complicated than a mysql??) and there is a wrapper around it, which is talking to several kiosk and screening moduls. we are defining queries and respond formats which is sent as xml. I also don't know yet how efficient that protocol is. georg's mysql script seems the way to go for mysql queries. marius. Andy Farnell wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:03:33 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, xml-rpc is a protocol that is used to talk over network to a server. I put a small python script (using pyext) and a testpatch online at http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/pd/xml-rpc after I finished my script I found out that there is already an object that does xml-rpc (iemxmlrpc). iem used it for the iArs project, but I did not find the object? I am planning to use it as a protocol to talk to a database server. (sounds boring, no?) No! I was pondering how to do some mySQL inserts and queries from Pd just the other day. Wanna show us some tricks? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] prevent dac~ from output damage
I have read that in pure data if you mess with audio signal it can destoy your audio hardware (and even your ears !!) because the signal is not bound to -1/+1 so I wonder if there is any simple tip, abstract, external that handle dac~ and protect from hardware damage ? Thanks ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Video DS 3/4 Contrast
Hello Again, I am running some live video from a security camera but my computer chugs a lot at full Res. VideoDS is the perfect solution except I am looking for a happy medium. Half is fast but too grainy and full is fine but too slow. Is there a way to set a happy medium say 3/4 or test out any other variables ? Also because I am using low light with Black White video I need to bump the contrast so pix_movement can better read the changes. I am aware pix_movement has a threshold but this is a variable I would like to play with after. Thanks for all the support. I'm not sure if the eticate is to thank or not after getting a reply. I am very grateful. Peter Forde _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Video DS 3/4 Contrast
Hello Again, I am running some live video from a security camera but my computer chugs a lot at full Res. VideoDS is the perfect solution except I am looking for a happy medium. Half is fast but too grainy and full is fine but too slow. Is there a way to set a happy medium say 3/4 or test out any other variables ? Also because I am using low light with Black White video I need to bump the contrast so pix_movement can better read the changes. I am aware pix_movement has a threshold but this is a variable I would like to play with after. Thanks for all the support. I'm not sure if the eticate is to thank or not after getting a reply. I am very grateful. Peter Forde _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] using fiddle~ ?
I want to use fiddle~ do convert melody played on an acouistic guitar into midi notes ... Does anybody done something like that ? thanks ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
On 05/10/2007, at 15.26, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Olivier Revollat wrote: I want to use fiddle~ do convert melody played on an acouistic guitar into midi notes ... Does anybody done something like that ? thanks ;) like this? [adc~] | [fiddle~] | [mtof] | [sig~] | [phasor~] | [cos~] | [dac~] Ain't it [adc~]/[fiddle~]/[ftom]/[whatever_uses_the_midi_notes] or am i misunderstanding something? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] prevent dac~ from output damage
Olivier Revollat wrote: I have read that in pure data if you mess with audio signal it can destoy your audio hardware (and even your ears !!) because the signal is not bound to -1/+1 so I wonder if there is any simple tip, abstract, external that handle dac~ and protect from hardware damage ? The physical dac in the soundcard is incapable of going beyond +-1, it just clips the sound. It might not sound nice but it's perfectly safe unless you have an amplifier that's too powerful for your speakers or your ears... Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] prevent dac~ from output damage
Am 05.10.2007 um 09:24 schrieb IOhannes m zmoelnig: the simplest one is: play at low volumes. you can destroy your PA and permanently damage the ears of a large audience with something as simple as the apple startup sound. no pd involved. at least for PPC machines there is relief: http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/StartupSound/index.en.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tk GUI script (pd.tk) questions ..
On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:22 AM, sven wrote: seems like the first mail didnt get trough. here it is again. At 07:31 04.10.2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I'd like to ask those of you who knows Tk/Tcl very well. I have attempted and succeed changing pd.tk for my personal use .. i added extra key biddings and removed menubars .. well, Romain gave me the no-scroll + no-menu script i have few thoughts .. if we could set the menu as function, so it could be removable by a msg ..? i've hacked the pd.tk for pd0.40 (millers) a while ago to remove borders, scrollbars and menus via the contextmenu (rightclick). it's not finished because it's already enough for what i needed (and i hate tcl). but maybe it's use for you. http://www.popmodernism.org/crap/pd.tk sven. It probably wouldn't be too much extra work to make this an option. Then if you make it a diff -uw patch, it could be included in Pd- extended quite easily, as long as it doesn't break anything else. If all the changes were wrapped up into one function, or something like that. At the most basic level there could be a configuration option in the pd.tk to enable/disable it. Or it could be a menu item, like edit mode. .hc http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tk GUI script (pd.tk) questions ..
The key bindings and menus are quite messy in the pd.tk. From other Tcl apps I've seen, I think it could be made MUCH cleaner and easier to handle. Basically, there should be one spot for each platform that defines all of the key bindings and menu structure, then that is used everywhere. If someone would take this on, I'll gladly help with the tricky bits. Another thing that would be really great would be to clean up the preferences panels. .hc On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I'd like to ask those of you who knows Tk/Tcl very well. I have attempted and succeed changing pd.tk for my personal use .. i added extra key biddings and removed menubars .. well, Romain gave me the no-scroll + no-menu script i have few thoughts .. if we could set the menu as function, so it could be removable by a msg ..? may be the window list needs some improvments .. if it could be kept separately from the .m.windows , so removing the whole bock of code with menubar related stuff if pd_menubar==0 could be better then just removing some of bits of it .. regrding fonts, i have set most of them to 'clean', which give a pretty looking gui .. may be they could be set by variables in a separate config file ? i feel like i can most of these modifications myself .. without getting extra complexity like in Mathieu's desiredata .. the question is, how can such kind of enhanchements affect the perfomance ? could some extra variables take extra bits of memory ? how efficient Tk/Tcl is ? ..so people on IRC channel #dataflow complained a lot , that Tk is not very fast etc... setting leyboard biddings i added more the 10 extra conditional statements ..i thoght that getting any keyborad events Tk will have to run trough some more stuff in order to send something to pd, isn't it? or Tk has a way of super-super-fast scan trough all that? -- thanks for attention, ilya .d ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I think of pdpedia more like an encyclopedia. but I think a discussion forum for bugs and comments beside the mailing list is a good idea. the cross linking can by done by linking to mails in the pd-list archives and vice versa. still, I think bugs should be mentioned in the pdpedia pages. I think, care should be taken to not duplicate the bug tracker. People or at least I won't be reading pdpedia all the time just like people don't read Wikipedia only when needed. So if pdpedia authors find a bug, they should report it to the bug tracker and then make a link to that, so everyone on pdpedia knows this bug is reported. The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. A pdpedia page should be a complete resource all about that given object, or whatever. If the wikipedians avoided duplicating things that exist, wikipedia would be tiny and not very useful. The real advantage comes in have one resource that gives you an overview of all you need to know. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. i see: the bug tracker is contra bugs, while the pdpedia bug section is pro bugs :-) fmasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
On 05/10/2007, at 18.25, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: my interpretation of this is, that the pitch (56.9946) is given in MIDI (57) and not in Hz (220). /me ducks -- sorry about posting before double checking my facts. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
Olivier Revollat wrote: It seems that fiddle~ output the pitch (frequency) and no the midi note , isn't it ? i don't know, since everybody seems to believe so, probably i am wrong. what i do is: start pd. create a [fiddle~] object. right-click it-help. then i basically see this: [57( | [mtof] | [220\ | [phasor~] | [fiddle~] | [print pitch] on the console it says pitch: 56.9946 my interpretation of this is, that the pitch (56.9946) is given in MIDI (57) and not in Hz (220). mfg.adsr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
Hallo, Olivier Revollat hat gesagt: // Olivier Revollat wrote: It seems that fiddle~ output the pitch (frequency) and no the midi note , isn't it ? It isn't on the first outlet, there you get pitch as midi-like floating point numbers - midi-like in the sense, that you can get values between integers as well, bot just integers from 0-127. [mtof] handles this just fine and converts them to proper frequencies. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tk GUI script (pd.tk) questions ..
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 03:57:15PM +0200, sven wrote: At 07:31 04.10.2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I'd like to ask those of you who knows Tk/Tcl very well. I have attempted and succeed changing pd.tk for my personal use .. i added extra key biddings and removed menubars .. well, Romain gave me the no-scroll + no-menu script i have few thoughts .. if we could set the menu as function, so it could be removable by a msg ..? i've hacked the pd.tk for pd0.40 (millers) a while ago to remove borders, scrollbars and menus via the contextmenu (rightclick). it's not finished because it's already enough for what i needed (and i hate tcl). i love Tcl. so what do you mean is so wrong with it? is java or python far better'n'faster? but maybe it's use for you. http://www.popmodernism.org/crap/pd.tk sven. Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] simple message/list parsing
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Ken Restivo wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 10:22:25PM +0200, Thomas Grill wrote: Install the ruby external, and make a simple external that does this? set1 set2 and does it all in linear time too, instead of (presumably) quadratic. it's the exact same syntax for Python (starting with version 2.4) Thanks. I haven't done much with Python since the 2.3 days. Um, actually, it looks like it's more like: list( set(set1) set(set2) ) Ok, it's not really the same. Ruby has no Set class, there's no for Hashes, and the for Arrays preserves order of elements of the left-hand side. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Video DS 3/4 Contrast
What device are you using for video input? If its linux compatible you should try pure:dyne. I've been using v4l pix_video input on linux for weeks on end... .b. Peter Forde wrote: Hello Again, I am running some live video from a security camera but my computer chugs a lot at full Res. VideoDS is the perfect solution except I am looking for a happy medium. Half is fast but too grainy and full is fine but too slow. Is there a way to set a happy medium say 3/4 or test out any other variables ? Also because I am using low light with Black White video I need to bump the contrast so pix_movement can better read the changes. I am aware pix_movement has a threshold but this is a variable I would like to play with after. Thanks for all the support. I'm not sure if the eticate is to thank or not after getting a reply. I am very grateful. Peter Forde Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Video DS 3/4 Contras
What video capture hardware are you using to get the video? What type of CPU? The only resolutions you can use are the ones listed in the dialog. On 10/5/07, Peter Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Again, I am running some live video from a security camera but my computer chugs a lot at full Res. VideoDS is the perfect solution except I am looking for a happy medium. Half is fast but too grainy and full is fine but too slow. Is there a way to set a happy medium say 3/4 or test out any other variables ? Also because I am using low light with Black White video I need to bump the contrast so pix_movement can better read the changes. I am aware pix_movement has a threshold but this is a variable I would like to play with after. Thanks for all the support. I'm not sure if the eticate is to thank or not after getting a reply. I am very grateful. Peter Forde -- Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time
384MB ram seems a bit low.. (nowadays) My old duron 800 has 1GB. I've not noticed PD starting more slowly than it always has on my feisty or etch machines... you can always try oprofile to see what is using up what (CPU wise) .b. Kevin McCoy wrote: what distro are you on? Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk... km ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
Hey Everybody, Sorry for the late reply. I really would like to work to a PD conference in Brazil. I am from Belo Horizonte (UEMG-UFMG-FUMEC) and my background is music performance, analysis, acoustics psychoacoustics, mediation technology, guitar, PD, Eyesweb, origami arquitecture... I love Macs, I work in a PC...I love PD but I work also with Matlab... I love Samba but I am working in the academic world... It is difficult this task to be subversive into the enemy's field ! 8-) I have experience with projects in Brazil (FAPEMIG, FINEP, research) and I can help with contacts, writing the project, finding money and support. I worked also in projects related with music education content for computer aided education and I know what the funding agencies want to read Let's be practical: (We can put subjects like free software, 3rd world and information, art/show/science/resistance actions into the conference timetable!) Who decides where will be the conference? What we have to provide in order to be a serious option? Who is pointing to São Paulo (must be there?)? Where is the PD community of Brazil? Who are the Brazilians or Pd users active in this proposition? We need a specific list. Best! Luiz On 9/10/07, Ed Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey alex, good to see you in Montreal, I think the small things happen all the time, at least that's what we strive for I hope. Meanwhile, the big thing can happen too in 2009. One thing I think would be a really good idea is if there is some kind of map around when things happen - the conferences always happen at about the same time every year. I've been at the ICMC twice now and I intend to go again, but that's always the last week of August or first week of September (for example). Really, conferences are far too short -- and busy. If we can find a two-week window in the international conference schedule (ISMIR. ICMC. Pris Ars Electronica, NIME etc) then we could do it then. Balancing this, those of us who have academic commitments need the summer to finalize our work, often, so maybe late July/Early August would be a good time? But---this is two years away. We still need to be precise about it though, because funding agencies are keen to have timetables/schedules etc. And I was gutted I didn't go to the party...but I'd love to see you all in Sao Paulo in two years time... Best, Ed *PORRES [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: If it is a problem to get university support Is actually the opposite. I Believe we could get much more involvement and fundings from it here in Brasil! :) You don't need to have the developers, you need people who stick together Sure, Cool... And as I said, it's nice to have some local meetings before an international one... and the goal must be gathering people! Users, whatever... like you described. It's better to organise the schedule so that people organised in one thing aren't likely to be interested in the other thing that happens at the same time hmmm, yeah, the event in Montreal could be much longer if things werent all at the same time... We could have here a longer event. If it is smaller, things could be not simultaneous... one way or another, there should be plenty space and material for a Convention here... Cheers alexandre torres porres -- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Nowhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48223/*http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow(it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks -- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now...http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/yahoo_com/trueswitch/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Luiz Naveda PhD Student IPEM University of Gent - Belgium ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
we are coming up with a national list on it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] please join, and so do other brasileiros and invite other people... I am pointing to Sao Paulo :) i think if we come up with a reasonable proposal, it can be decided to be here... cheers alex Luiz Naveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everybody, Sorry for the late reply. I really would like to work to a PD conference in Brazil. I am from Belo Horizonte (UEMG-UFMG-FUMEC) and my background is music performance, analysis, acoustics psychoacoustics, mediation technology, guitar, PD, Eyesweb, origami arquitecture... I love Macs, I work in a PC...I love PD but I work also with Matlab... I love Samba but I am working in the academic world... It is difficult this task to be subversive into the enemy's field ! 8-) I have experience with projects in Brazil (FAPEMIG, FINEP, research) and I can help with contacts, writing the project, finding money and support. I worked also in projects related with music education content for computer aided education and I know what the funding agencies want to read Let's be practical: (We can put subjects like free software, 3rd world and information, art/show/science/resistance actions into the conference timetable!) Who decides where will be the conference? What we have to provide in order to be a serious option? Who is pointing to São Paulo (must be there?)? Where is the PD community of Brazil? Who are the Brazilians or Pd users active in this proposition? We need a specific list. Best! Luiz On 9/10/07, Ed Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey alex, good to see you in Montreal, I think the small things happen all the time, at least that's what we strive for I hope. Meanwhile, the big thing can happen too in 2009. One thing I think would be a really good idea is if there is some kind of map around when things happen - the conferences always happen at about the same time every year. I've been at the ICMC twice now and I intend to go again, but that's always the last week of August or first week of September (for example). Really, conferences are far too short -- and busy. If we can find a two-week window in the international conference schedule (ISMIR. ICMC. Pris Ars Electronica, NIME etc) then we could do it then. Balancing this, those of us who have academic commitments need the summer to finalize our work, often, so maybe late July/Early August would be a good time? But---this is two years away. We still need to be precise about it though, because funding agencies are keen to have timetables/schedules etc. And I was gutted I didn't go to the party...but I'd love to see you all in Sao Paulo in two years time... Best, Ed PORRES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is a problem to get university support Is actually the opposite. I Believe we could get much more involvement and fundings from it here in Brasil! :) You don't need to have the developers, you need people who stick together Sure, Cool... And as I said, it's nice to have some local meetings before an international one... and the goal must be gathering people! Users, whatever... like you described. It's better to organise the schedule so that people organised in one thing aren't likely to be interested in the other thing that happens at the same time hmmm, yeah, the event in Montreal could be much longer if things werent all at the same time... We could have here a longer event. If it is smaller, things could be not simultaneous... one way or another, there should be plenty space and material for a Convention here... Cheers alexandre torres porres - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks - Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Luiz Naveda PhD Student IPEM University of Gent - Belgium - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] displaying long text in GEM
hi list short. is it possible to display text that has more than one line with text2d or 3d objects in gem?? i hope i don`t have to use one text object for every line? thx. maciek ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:27 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. i see: the bug tracker is contra bugs, while the pdpedia bug section is pro bugs :-) fmasd.r IOhannes Hmm, I see it as fixing bugs vs. dealing with bugs. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
You should add a link to that list on the mailing list page so others can find it: http://puredata.org/community/lists Also, we are about to launch the pdpedia in Portuguese: http://wiki.puredata.info/pt/ .hc On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:14 PM, PORRES wrote: we are coming up with a national list on it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] please join, and so do other brasileiros and invite other people... I am pointing to Sao Paulo :) i think if we come up with a reasonable proposal, it can be decided to be here... cheers alex Luiz Naveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everybody, Sorry for the late reply. I really would like to work to a PD conference in Brazil. I am from Belo Horizonte (UEMG-UFMG-FUMEC) and my background is music performance, analysis, acoustics psychoacoustics, mediation technology, guitar, PD, Eyesweb, origami arquitecture... I love Macs, I work in a PC...I love PD but I work also with Matlab... I love Samba but I am working in the academic world... It is difficult this task to be subversive into the enemy's field ! 8-) I have experience with projects in Brazil (FAPEMIG, FINEP, research) and I can help with contacts, writing the project, finding money and support. I worked also in projects related with music education content for computer aided education and I know what the funding agencies want to read Let's be practical: (We can put subjects like free software, 3rd world and information, art/show/science/resistance actions into the conference timetable!) Who decides where will be the conference? What we have to provide in order to be a serious option? Who is pointing to São Paulo (must be there?)? Where is the PD community of Brazil? Who are the Brazilians or Pd users active in this proposition? We need a specific list. Best! Luiz On 9/10/07, Ed Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey alex, good to see you in Montreal, I think the small things happen all the time, at least that's what we strive for I hope. Meanwhile, the big thing can happen too in 2009. One thing I think would be a really good idea is if there is some kind of map around when things happen - the conferences always happen at about the same time every year. I've been at the ICMC twice now and I intend to go again, but that's always the last week of August or first week of September (for example). Really, conferences are far too short -- and busy. If we can find a two-week window in the international conference schedule (ISMIR. ICMC. Pris Ars Electronica, NIME etc) then we could do it then. Balancing this, those of us who have academic commitments need the summer to finalize our work, often, so maybe late July/Early August would be a good time? But---this is two years away. We still need to be precise about it though, because funding agencies are keen to have timetables/ schedules etc. And I was gutted I didn't go to the party...but I'd love to see you all in Sao Paulo in two years time... Best, Ed PORRES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is a problem to get university support Is actually the opposite. I Believe we could get much more involvement and fundings from it here in Brasil! :) You don't need to have the developers, you need people who stick together Sure, Cool... And as I said, it's nice to have some local meetings before an international one... and the goal must be gathering people! Users, whatever... like you described. It's better to organise the schedule so that people organised in one thing aren't likely to be interested in the other thing that happens at the same time hmmm, yeah, the event in Montreal could be much longer if things werent all at the same time... We could have here a longer event. If it is smaller, things could be not simultaneous... one way or another, there should be plenty space and material for a Convention here... Cheers alexandre torres porres Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Lone Shark Aviation out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Luiz Naveda PhD Student IPEM University of Gent - Belgium Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Man has
Re: [PD] Extend Pd with widget ?
These two patches show a bunch of existing GUI objects: http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/doc/tutorials/intro/ 32.gui_objects.pd http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/doc/tutorials/intro/ 33.guis.pd .hc On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Olivier Revollat wrote: I have found a collection of GUI for PD as externals : ggee ;) 2007/10/5, Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, those widgets needs some tk extensions http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/extensions/gui/ix you can also modify pd.tk for extending pd gui possibilities Olivier Revollat a écrit : All right. thaks. Is there any existing widget library available to extend PD ? 2007/10/5, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a couple ways. You can write Tcl widgets using [tow] and [widget] from toxy, and you can write GUI externals using the Tcl/C API. .hc On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Olivier Revollat wrote: Hello ! Is there any way to improve pd gui with new widgets ? is there any library available ? Thanks ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailto:PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- -- Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic -- -- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
PORRES wrote: we are coming up with a national list on it: 'national' list sounds bad... there's no national list in spain... btw yesterday i was using sdg-pd with grz-zexy, bxl-pdp and bcn-pidip, and so what? [EMAIL PROTECTED] google groups, yeh, yahoo mail, better, i fell we're going back 3 years before can't estudio livre set up a list really? sevy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
