Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Luke Iannini
Yo, On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Luke Iannini hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini wrote: There are some amazing sets of abstractions being released recently, which has served to highlight the many extant styles of patching. I was wondering if

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Luke Iannini
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a style guide is a great idea. There have been some discussions along these lines in the past. I'd say just start a wiki folder on puredata.info in the /docs/ section and edit it up. Something like

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Luke Iannini hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Style: * If giving $0 as an argument to an abstraction, it is always first in the argument list [1] I often put it last (and it's specified to be that way

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Luke Iannini wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 06:34:05PM -0700, Luke Iannini wrote: * Sends and Receives are written in camelCase, with R appended to complementary receives (e.g. in GUIs, $0mySlider for the send and

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Matt Barber
Luke, I like some of your ideas, but I'd offer the following: Style: * If giving $0 as an argument to an abstraction, it is always first in the argument list [1] I often put it last (and it's specified to be that way e.g. in Memento) My reasoning here is that $0 is probably the most

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pdync-mailboxnext-undeletedenter-commandset editor=vim -f +7 -s ~/.vim/mail.scr

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: A related topic is: in general, if there's an adequate solution with an abstraction, should one use it rather than an external? Does this change in pedagogical situations where a student might profit in learning from a rather sparse set of

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] some works done with pd

2008-07-29 Thread cyrille henry
|| | a écrit : WOW - that stuff is beautiful!! thanks espezially this one is great: http://drpichon.free.fr/ch/article.php?id_article=80 i'm sorry i don't speak french, i'm sorry for the missing translations so i can't understand the describing text - could you explain me

Re: [PD] New sssad.pd now in SVN repository - please test! [was: sssad slowness]

2008-07-29 Thread Enrique Erne
Hi Frank Barknecht wrote: Enrique Erne hat gesagt: // Enrique Erne wrote: now the point why i write this email: it would be nice to have a little note in sssad-help that says initializing is strongly recommended or similar. Hm, probably [sssad] should get a [route bang] after the [route

[PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread Enrique Erne
pd-0.41-4.mac.tar.gz from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html i get Could not extract the file Pd-0.41-4.app/Contents: Could not create the folder this is on i386 osx 10.5.4 the file is 5.5MB does anybody else have the same error? eni ___

Re: [PD] Calling Mac OS X 10.3 Panther users! Please test new release!

2008-07-29 Thread Enrique Erne
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Try this one: http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc3/Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc3-macosx103-powerpc.dmg This rc3 build worked on 10.3, so it should be possible to make a final 10.3 release without too much work. .hc there was a typo in the

Re: [PD] New sssad.pd now in SVN repository - please test! [was: sssad slowness]

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo Enrique, Enrique Erne hat gesagt: // Enrique Erne wrote: That looks great. hehe, I already committed it. ;) Still, personally I will initialize all keys, this guarantees to always have complete presets. [loadbang] | [; SSSAD vol 20, freq 42, other 1.2345( Yes, that's probably

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Enrique Erne
Hi Luke Luke Iannini wrote: There are some amazing sets of abstractions being released recently, which has served to highlight the many extant styles of patching. I was wondering if there was interest in establishing a set of guidelines for patching in the vein of PEP 8 for Python; I've

Re: [PD] New sssad.pd now in SVN repository - please test! [was: sssad slowness]

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: In the near future there will be some more SSSAD_ADMIN messages I'd like to support: setlocal and savelocal to save to receivers called $2-SSSAD_ADMIN where $2 will usually be the parent's $0, to allow saving of all/some [sssad]s

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread marius schebella
I am quite pedantic in regard to spacing and aligning of objects. I started to space all objects using ctrl+arrow keys. that way all objects are spaced like on a grid and always a multiple of 10px away of each other. I don't know if that should go into a style guide, but for official patches

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Matt Barber
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:02:05 -0400 From: marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am quite pedantic in regard to spacing and aligning of objects. I

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: Yes, I am this way too -- but with font sizes sometimes being different from one platform to the next, and even between extended and vanilla, it's really hard to ensure that things will line up sweetly every time you open it, everywhere. A

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Matt Barber
Abstractions, whenever possible I think, should try not to conflict with names in extended, even when the patch is designed for vanilla. Also, I think it's helpful to include tilde in abstraction names when audio signals are involved. Also, I forgot to mention that I think abstractions (and

Re: [PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Works fine for me on Mac OS X 10.4.11/Intel. .hc On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:42 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: pd-0.41-4.mac.tar.gz from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html i get Could not extract the file Pd-0.41-4.app/Contents: Could not create the folder this is on i386 osx 10.5.4 the file

Re: [PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread Miller Puckette
That's wierd... the only situation I can think of that could cause that would be a full disk. cheers Miller On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 05:42:07AM -0400, Enrique Erne wrote: pd-0.41-4.mac.tar.gz from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html i get Could not extract the file

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Luke Iannini hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini wrote: There are some amazing sets of abstractions being released recently, which has served to highlight the many extant styles of patching. I was wondering if there was interest in

[PD] font sizes WAS: Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Matt Barber wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:02:05 -0400 From: marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am quite pedantic

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Can I suggest using the MoinMoin wiki syntax? IMHO the python wikis all have weak syntax compared to MediaWiki, but MoinMoin is the closest to MediaWiki, which is a widely used and relatively easy to use syntax. It is also what is used in most of the rest of the 'docs' section. To use

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] some works done with pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This reminds me, we really need that gallery section on puredata.info to show stuff like this off... It was so close to completion, anyone want to take it live? .hc On Jul 28, 2008, at 4:23 PM, ||| wrote: WOW - that stuff is beautiful!! espezially this one is great:

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, it would be important to first collect every possible style element in the wild and document what people are using in reality. That would be interesting. I'm

Re: [PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread Enrique Erne
nobody on osx 10.5.4 except me? still got 22GB left.. i just downloaded it again with a different browser. is there a md5 thingy around? eni Miller Puckette wrote: That's wierd... the only situation I can think of that could cause that would be a full disk. cheers Miller On Tue, Jul

Re: [PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread marius schebella
Enrique Erne wrote: nobody on osx 10.5.4 except me? I just downloaded it and had no problems extracting. maybe your account is monitored and nsa swapped some bits during listening... marius. still got 22GB left.. i just downloaded it again with a different browser. is there a md5

Re: [PD] font sizes WAS: Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Matt Barber wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:02:05 -0400 From: marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Luke Iannini hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini wrote: There are some amazing sets of abstractions being released recently, which has served to highlight the many extant styles of patching. I was wondering

Re: [PD] Calling Mac OS X 10.3 Panther users! Please test new release!

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Try this one: http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc3/Pd-0.40.3- extended-rc3-macosx103-powerpc.dmg This rc3 build worked on 10.3, so it should be possible to make a final 10.3 release without too

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, it would be important to first collect every possible style element in the wild and document what

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:25 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Luke Iannini hat gesagt: // Luke Iannini wrote: There are some amazing sets of abstractions being released recently, which has served to

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Mike McGonagle
Actually, reading this thread for me has shown me that one idea that I have been using is a lot more common that I had thought. The idea of naming the receives on an object with an r at the end (or whatever) to distinguish it from the send was something that I wasn't really sure if it was a Pd

Re: [PD] font sizes WAS: Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Matt Barber
If font sizes are indeed different on Pd-extended, then that's a bug. From all my tests, they are pixel-accurate on all three platforms since 0.39.3. You might have the problem where Tcl/Tk can't load the fonts properly on GNU/Linux, which is addressed in this FAQ:

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Matt Barber
When 0.39 begins to wane (so [declare] can be used), ... Careful here: [declare -path ...] is disabled inside of abstractions in Pd-0.41. Right -- but [declare -path ...] is terribly useful for not having a patch's main directory cluttered with 100 abstractions, which was the main

[PD] call for 10gig+ disks for build farm

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
So the disk just died in the Windows XP build server. All the rest of the disks are quite old. I would like to replace the Windows XP build server and add disk mirroring on as many of the servers as possible. So, if anyone has any _working_ disks 10 gigs or bigger that are just sitting

Re: [PD] Pd-0.41-4 can't extract

2008-07-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Here's the checksum I just ran... $ sha1sum pd-0.41-4.mac.tar.gz f8bed34a8ab43dfe3fc270368ef41c61c398ecc6 pd-0.41-4.mac.tar.gz ... I should start publishing these, now that I finally found out how to make one :) M On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:10:00PM -0400, Enrique Erne wrote: nobody on osx

Re: [PD] Idiomatic Pd

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Matt Barber wrote: When 0.39 begins to wane (so [declare] can be used), ... Careful here: [declare -path ...] is disabled inside of abstractions in Pd-0.41. Right -- but [declare -path ...] is terribly useful for not having a patch's main directory

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.40.3 released, dedicated to Jamie Tittle

2008-07-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Finally, it's done! The most polished release of Pd yet. We are further refining Pd into a truly powerful and usable programming platform. http://puredata.org/downloads/ This release is dedicated to Jamie Tittle, aka tigital, who recently died of cancer. He was a long time and key