Re: [PD] readanysf for windows? (again)
- "IOhannes m zmoelnig" a écrit : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2011-04-30 03:36, Patrice Colet wrote: > > > > I tried to implement setDllDirectory but it doesn't work, > > > > you need to use SetDllDirectory() within Pd, not within your > external. I've been reading that using this function might create security holes, also there are several externals that use the same libraries, mostly if they have all been compiled on the same machine, so just putting the needed dll into pd/bin would be good, and doesn't require a modification of pd code. > quoting myself: > > > > that's a bootstrapping problem, as the external cannot run any code > > before all it's dependencies are resolved. > > the external can't resolve dependencies itself before running any code? > > mfgdr > IOhannes > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk2+Z8cACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS0jgCgnrvfH/eRf/HXKMNmIx7CkXdQ > mjYAn1zvvmOMSuAXCFYR7DqCJWfzNmeO > =h1nJ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GLSL Abstractions Library for Pd/GEM
On 28.04.11 15:18, mark edward grimm wrote: I was just re-reading Marius Schebella's paper on glsl stuffs: http://gem.iem.at/convention09/schebella.pdf/view is there a repo for these abs? I cant seem to locate any of them as pd patches. seems like only this paper exists cheers mark lost the repository when my server crashed (about two years ago). did not put anything online since then. but still planning to do so... otoh, I did not use Pd so much recently and read about some changes in the new GEM version that probably will cause some problems with the way the library objects worked (??). hopefully I have the time to fix all that some time. at the moment this is lying in a big mess on some old harddrive... sorry! marius. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
Hi, > who said it's an "anti-pd" workshop ? Just read the licence of SC: "Supercollider users don't have the right to use another sound synthesis engine or related tool". ok, back to work... -- Charlot ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
hi On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM, l'ull cec wrote: > Framing the workshop as an "anti-pd" activity seems a tad on the > extremist side from here. ok, but that's how it reads: "switch from pd" [instead of "supercollider is cool"] i certainly am not interested in making us all use one tool, nor am i interested in trying to prevent or limit attendance at your workshop. and i've always been bad at the marketing stuff, so maybe you are just way ahead of me there ... > No offence meant, really. none taken -- \js : "verbing weirds language." -calvin [http://or8.net/~johns/] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
Hi John, > am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop > on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just > that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it > here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting > to pagan list ... Framing the workshop as an "anti-pd" activity seems a tad on the extremist side from here. In all honesty, the workshop is aimed at current users of graphical patching environments who might be interested in exploring other alternatives. And thus it seems appropriate to promote it among current users of such applications. No offence meant, really. Cheers ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
Precisely. It's just weird to say "switch," as though leaving Pd behind forever. I guess it was an attempt at catchy marketing but... ±±t3db0t On May 2, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Pedro Lopes wrote: > Let people choose which they prefer, no harm in doing publicity to the > workshop here - funny catch phrase for a workshop. I don't mind personally. I > use both, and I each has its advantages (i.e: I cannot write/prototype with > SC as fast as with PD). > > Best, > Pedro > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bernardo Barros > wrote: > It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider. > > The problem is with the promotion then? > Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite > marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"... > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > -- > Pedro Lopes (MSc) > contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt > website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / > http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Switch from PureData!
That would be excellent to hear about useful forgotten patches. In the meantime maybe I can hijack this thread with a practical question. Look at the supercollider and pure data example at the beginning of the following tutorial: http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/ch002_graphical-programming/ Now it's perfectly fine that it shows one example that gives the strengths of supercollider and a completely different example for the strengths of pure data. But it certainly begs the question what each example would look like in the other enviroment. So: what's the simplest way to implement that supercollider example above using pure data? Using nqpoly? Dynamic patching? Is there a #many~ in GF? Etc. -Jonathan___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
Let people choose which they prefer, no harm in doing publicity to the workshop here - funny catch phrase for a workshop. I don't mind personally. I use both, and I each has its advantages (i.e: I cannot write/prototype with SC as fast as with PD). Best, Pedro On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider. > > The problem is with the promotion then? > Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite > marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"... > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
On 05/02/2011 04:02 PM, john saylor wrote: am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list? (derek was right =) who said it's an "anti-pd" workshop ? knowing fredrik, it should be more about using new tools. have a look at his website and you'll see what I mean.. cheers, _y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-02 16:02, john saylor wrote: > greeting > > am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop > on a pd list? well, i guess, asking people on the sc3 list to switch from Pd to SC is kind of pointless. fgamdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2+xrcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR5pwCg3Rr5yWukX6gAuRX9YiXpeJT3 R6wAoMCytkBrPWaBwI658rqChu1ELu17 =A3hk -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
It's not an "anti-pd workshop" per se... It's just about SuperCollider. The problem is with the promotion then? Consider the catching phrase just a joke to undo the opposite marketing strategy that "graphical programming is better blah blah"... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
1 ) I love the easter comparison. 2 ) I believe that many Pd users are interested in writing music programs, and thus potentially interested in a conference about SuperCollider. I just don't understand why he felt the need to compare it to Pd. Pierre 2011/5/2 john saylor > greeting > > am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop > on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just > that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it > here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting > to pagan list ... > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:57 AM, l'ull cec wrote: > > Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter) > > > -- > \js : "verbing weirds language." -calvin [http://or8.net/~johns/] > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
greeting am i the only one who thinks it's odd to promote an anti-pd workshop on a pd list? i'm not saying the idea is wrong or bad [or good], just that it strikes me as not very well thought through to promote it here. like trying to drum up attendance at a easter service by posting to pagan list ... On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:57 AM, l'ull cec wrote: > Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter) -- \js : "verbing weirds language." -calvin [http://or8.net/~johns/] ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
mick jagger prefers PD, so does david bowie. fair enough, andrew lloyd webber does all his operas in supercollider these days, but that guy did CATS in machine code, so he's pretty out there. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Switch from PureData!
Waiting for the 200+ posts about why this is completely wrong, complete with forgotten source-code patches that could "easily fix the problem" dating back to 1979 ;-) D. On 5/2/11 2:57 PM, l'ull cec wrote: the kind of things that are cumbersome or hard to do in PureData ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Workshop: Switch from PureData! (Barcelona)
Friday, 13.05.2011, 17:00-22:00h Workshop: Switch from PureData! (or MAX/MSP for that matter) Led by Fredrik Olofsson [ http://fredrikolofsson.com ] During this one-day workshop we will focus on the free software SuperCollider and show why programming with syntax can be both easier and superior to patching in graphical environments. This session offers a great chance for beginners as well as seasoned users of other synthesis environments to get a taste of the features that make SuperCollider such a flexible and powerful tool. While not intended as a full introduction to this synthesis environment, it will function as a preparatory session for a series of SuperCollider seminars that we are preparing for after the summer. Topics will include envelopes, patterns, granular synthesis and networked music. These are specifically chosen to show how SuperCollider is a very dynamic system where things easily are replaced on the fly or adapted to varying number of sound channels, the kind of things that are cumbersome or hard to do in PureData. +info: [ http://lullcec.org/en/2011/tallers/workshop-switch-from-puredata/ ] - web: [ http://lullcec.org ] facebook: [ http://facebook.com/lullcec ] twitter: [ http://twitter.com/lullcec ] ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf for windows? (again)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-29 17:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:40 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > > On 04/29/2011 12:23 PM, matteo sisti sette wrote: Apparently it doesn't. I had put the dll's in the same folder where I put readanysf~.dll but it didn't find them > > weird. > i'm pretty sure this is the way it is supposed to work (but i'm no w32 > expert) > >> Windows and Mac OS X both use the path of the executable for finding >> other dlls, but not the path of each dll that is loaded (that could be a >> lot of paths) no of course; i meant the path that the currently-being-resolved dll lives in. this would be an extra path for each dll. > I think GNU/Linux might do the same, I don't remember no it does not. you need to modify the DL_SEARCH_PATH if you want that. also w32 discovered [1], that their standard search paths might have security implications a simple approach would be to modify the system's search paths before dlopen()ing the externals from within Pd to include the path of the currently loaded external (and revert this path to the original after loading) fgmasdr IOhannes [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms972822.aspx -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2+Zx0ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR36QCgvESWUEwh/d9oD4KrrCuByjW3 65wAoMcMYZitSORd4MR99R62i9PeRfLT =DKNR -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] readanysf for windows? (again)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-30 03:36, Patrice Colet wrote: > > I tried to implement setDllDirectory but it doesn't work, > you need to use SetDllDirectory() within Pd, not within your external. quoting myself: > > that's a bootstrapping problem, as the external cannot run any code > before all it's dependencies are resolved. > mfgdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2+Z8cACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvS0jgCgnrvfH/eRf/HXKMNmIx7CkXdQ mjYAn1zvvmOMSuAXCFYR7DqCJWfzNmeO =h1nJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
